The vaccine?

We will allow you to attend football and other sporting events so long as you show proof of vaccination.

International travel off limits as well it looks unless you can show proof.

Public Transport a possibility as well some time in the future maybe.

In the U.K a Covid Pass is currently in the planning and with proof of the two shots you will be given a physical or digital certificate which allows you to walk the streets without wearing a mask.

The word bribery springs to mind.

It's a choice. Either option comes with consequences.

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Chris6791 said..
It's a choice.

No it is not. It is a control mechanism for the New World Order.

Google "The Great Reset" to learn what the elites have planned for us plebs.

I started traveling internationally in 1965, at the time you needed your passport and vaccination book (whatever it was called) to travel between countries. I think it is OK

Is HW back with PM33 again? Woo hoo! We are back!

Yeah, invisible ink tattoos!

I wonder if the Spanish Flu was also a great reset and they just didn't have any of that invisible tattoo ink available at the time?

its not heavy weather, just slightly overcast with a chance of scepticism.

As to the vaccine, i'm glad we are in Aus.
CV isn't much fun and the consequences can be long lasting even if you recover
Yes I'll take it, but in time enough for it to have gone through Uk, USA etc. first

Well you already had to show proof of vaccination already when you travelled to areas where yellow fever is endemic when returning here.
Whats the difference?

Pffft, let the guinea-pigs go first..."The Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccination approved in the UK requires four weeks from the first jab for the "best immunity" to be achieved, regulators behind the decision have said.
Meanwhile those who are first to receive the vaccination will be invited to take part in a voluntary "Yellow Card" monitoring program for side effects."

"Chief Executive Dr June Raine insisted no "corners had been cut" in the approval process and assured the public the decision had been reached following an "extremely thorough and scientifically rigorous review" of the vaccine's safety, effectiveness and quality."

""We still do not know how COVID-19 interacts and behaves with medicines or medical devices used for existing conditions," the site warns under its COVID page."

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/pfizer-vaccination-provides-best-immunity-four-weeks-after-first-jab-regulators-say/news-story/460fb5ebec0abf7420408505b1fb79df

id rather take the risk of the vaccine than the covid if i was going to a plague ridden country for a holiday.

I might wait to see how the English go first and see the results of the side effects.

eventually but i'll let whole nations of people get it before me just to be sure its ok

I'm going to wait for Macro's solution.

It is funny how some people are now considered anti-vaxes for not wanting to get this vaccine straight away.

There is no equivalence with this covid vaccine and normal vaccines we all get.

Smart people will wait for the guinea pigs and sheep to go first and take their chances with the 99.999% survival rate.

If Covid had killed more than ten million Americans this year I'd consider it but they haven't even lost three hundred thousand so why bother. They lose millions every year to other causes that I don't give a s#$t about and their all cause mortality figures are almost unchanged so most of those people were done anyway.

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Tequila ! said..
Well you already had to show proof of vaccination already when you travelled to areas where yellow fever is endemic when returning here.
Whats the difference?

I'm with you there. I had to get a yellow fever vaccination when I went to Venezuela... but I didn't know it. When I came back I was told i had to soft-quarantine myself and keep an eye out for any symptoms. (the place I went to has no yellow fever anyway, but I can understand the concern.)

The next time I went back to that area I got the vaccine before-hand. The doctor was a bit surprised that I wanted every vaccine recommended and even the one's that were optional. My explanation at the time was that the vaccines are cheaper than catching any of these diseases and living with them.

All this said, I am actually happy that they are giving the vaccine to the more vulnerable first. It helps them and also gives the rest of us a warning if there are problems. I say this with the expectation that if I were 85 and at risk, I would take it and take any risk in preference to dying from the flu in a painful way.

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TonyAbbott said..
It is funny how some people are now considered anti-vaxes for not wanting to get this vaccine straight away.

There is no equivalence with this covid vaccine and normal vaccines we all get.

Smart people will wait for the guinea pigs and sheep to go first and take their chances with the 99.999% survival rate.

Well, its not a bad thing. The most vulnerable will want to take it, and it does sort out any risk factors. Perfect or not, that's the way it has to play out in order to try and stop the vulnerable from dying earlier.

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Mr Milk said..
I'm going to wait for Macro's solution.

Be prepared for your just-desserts! He will attack now that you have started.

It will involve a Kubota copy ventilator.

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FormulaNova said..

Tequila ! said..
Well you already had to show proof of vaccination already when you travelled to areas where yellow fever is endemic when returning here.
Whats the difference?

I'm with you there. I had to get a yellow fever vaccination when I went to Venezuela... but I didn't know it. When I came back I was told i had to soft-quarantine myself and keep an eye out for any symptoms. (the place I went to has no yellow fever anyway, but I can understand the concern.)

The next time I went back to that area I got the vaccine before-hand. The doctor was a bit surprised that I wanted every vaccine recommended and even the one's that were optional. My explanation at the time was that the vaccines are cheaper than catching any of these diseases and living with them.

All this said, I am actually happy that they are giving the vaccine to the more vulnerable first. It helps them and also gives the rest of us a warning if there are problems. I say this with the expectation that if I were 85 and at risk, I would take it and take any risk in preference to dying from the flu in a painful way.

The difference is, those vaccines were developed over a longer time period, and are tried and proven.
This one is a rushed development and is still unknown what/if there are any long/medium term bad side-effects.

I mean, they are asking for those that get it, to monitor and report adverse effects...sounds like the clinical trials aren't over and are just being expanded to the wider general population...

Why do you think Australia is doing so well with CV compared to other countries ???
How some countries have 200 000 new case a day and we have next to none???
Because most of us already have been immunized .
They have been spreading the vax in our water supply for over 4 months now, the only Aussies getting CV are the ones who drink bottled water only and have not been vaxed.

I got malaria once that was pretty fun, and than a few years ago got Ross river.
Also quite a hoot

Malaria kills more people every year , year on year and year after year... there is no vaccine or cure yet we all still do info trips and go deep into the Sumatran jungle.

If the vaccine works great and if it's proven stable with no long term side effects excellent of course I'll get it and get my kids to get it,,,, this will take around 5 years for enough proof and evidence, until than international travel is off the cards for us.

Im no conspiracy theorist but the global reset is real it's a planned agenda, what does the vaccine do to a mans sperm count or a woman's ability to produce eggs.

When COVID mutates which it will based on historical viruses will the vaccine make the outcome worse for those who did not already catch COVID, those who caught it once may only experience mild symptoms but a mutated virus could be the equivalent of getting the super flu which was around a few years ago as compared to a cold.

Too each their own

There will never be a vaccine for Malaria
It is not caused by a virus it is a single cell parasite called Plasmodium
To compare it to COVID-19 is just ridiculous

The missus will have no excuses
Farkin oath I am

I can pretty much garentee that my work will "force" me to get the vaccine. Everybody on the worksite already needs to be vaccinated for all sorts of sh_t.

I dont consider myself an anti-vaxer but given the choice i wouldnt take vaccines. I cant see how all the chemicals and metals that are in them dont have any long lasting side effects. I know that i am probably wrong about them but still it makes me wonder sometimes.

The great reset does unsettle me a bit to be honest. I think it starts to scare you when you read into to much though. I took some of harrows wisdom and went for a weekend on the water and that fixed me right up.

meh, - it don't worry me, all the vaccines and that stuff.

nah, I don't even worry about the fluoride in the water or the chemtrails in the air.

- and what about 9/11 eh ? I mean jet-fuel melting steel ? - don't worry me one little bit.


Nope, what you'se all should be worrying about is what can't be explained - and the number 1 thing that is inexplicable is why did they rename opal fruits to starburst ?

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Flatty said..
I can pretty much garentee that my work will "force" me to get the vaccine. Everybody on the worksite already needs to be vaccinated for all sorts of sh_t.

I dont consider myself an anti-vaxer but given the choice i wouldnt take vaccines. I cant see how all the chemicals and metals that are in them dont have any long lasting side effects. I know that i am probably wrong about them but still it makes me wonder sometimes.

The great reset does unsettle me a bit to be honest. I think it starts to scare you when you read into to much though. I took some of harrows wisdom and went for a weekend on the water and that fixed me right up.

I wonder if these current vaccines, and there will be quite a few, not just a single version, have much in the way of preservatives? I think the things you talk about, metals and chemicals, are meant as preservatives and these vaccines are going to be used almost straightaway with each dose pretty much accounted for.

Its understandable that people would be cautious about vaccines, as you just don't know what they do. The principle is the same with most of them in getting your immune system to react to what it thinks is a virus, but the way it does it is different.

We don't have the benefit of seeing these developed over years, but they aren't built from scratch either. They are built from existing principles and tailored to suit this virus. I think in at least one case there was a vaccine built in anticipation of a pandemic like this, and all they had to do was to modify it to suit this particular virus. Its not surprising given that we have been hit by pandemics in the past and it was only a matter of time.

The only risk I think to these vaccines is that not enough people will take them and it may result in the virus hanging around in the community as there just aren't enough people immunized.

I don't know if its scientifically correct, and I am sure people will correct me, but to my way of thinking, after killing a huge number of people, these viruses end up with variations that are not as dangerous but spread more easily and we ultimately end up with a virus in the world that doesn't kill many people.... after it originally kills a lot of people when it first comes out. The theory is that a virus is more successful if it can spread itself to more people, and the less people it kills, the more chance it has of spreading. If its still close enough to the original variant, the immune system protects us against it.

This great reset stuff is just BS. Sure it sounds plausible, but conspiracy theories always sound interesting but are often low on fact and logic.

but we don't talk about that stuff here....

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Carantoc said..
meh, - it don't worry me, all the vaccines and that stuff.

nah, I don't even worry about the fluoride in the water or the chemtrails in the air.

- and what about 9/11 eh ? I mean jet-fuel melting steel ? - don't worry me one little bit.


Nope, what you'se all should be worrying about is what can't be explained - and the number 1 thing that is inexplicable is why did they rename opal fruits to starburst ?

You need more bait in that one.

9/11? Well, don't get me started on that one. The court case is due to start any time now, unless Trump pardons them.

Looks like 2020 is slowly pulling itself back together again with all these ol' pals bantering again

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IanR said..
There will never be a vaccine for Malaria
It is not caused by a virus it is a single cell parasite called Plasmodium
To compare it to COVID-19 is just ridiculous

If you read that as a comparison I suggest you re-read it.

According to the BBC there is one or at least one coming.

Seems to be a vaccine for everything these days. No need to eat fresh organic food no more.

Big step in fight against malaria - CBBC Newsround

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FormulaNova said..
Pugwash (more like Smugwash) said..
blah blah blah

So, you'se have no idea why opal fruits got re-named then ?

Do your own research, morons.

I'm outta here.

Ciao.

I guess it comes down to how much you value your ability to travel or work. Many countries if not all will deny entry without a vaccination certificate. Yes I guess you could get a doctors certificate but how that stands up when trying to enter a foreign country I have no idea.
As said previously, many employers will mandate a vaccination, are your convictions strong enough to become unemployed?
Some airlines or cruise ships etc will require showing a vaccination certificate prior to boarding.
It comes down to personal choice, the government isn't going to mandate it but the commercial world will.