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Currently using 925 for surfing. My dad uses the 880, and I can see the difference. Was thinking of maybe buying another 880 or maybe the 780. I weigh 69kg, and really dont know if it's best for me to have the 880 or 780. Any tips? Does the 880 has that much of a difference in pumping compared to 780? Some help plsss

Did you ever kite in the past. Remember how the 9m was the end of the smaller kite designs and the 10m was the start of the bigger kite design? That's a good analogy for the 780/880.

The 880 has more accessible easy to use pump for sure - but with the right tail, good technique and cadence then the 780 is nearly just as good. Also the 780 rolls significantly better than the 880 given the only one size differences. Again refer above to my kite analogy.

At your weight I'd even suggest the 680 to be honest. But that depends on your skill level and what surf you mainly are in.

A safe bet is the 780. I'm only 75kg and ride the 880 but if i had the coin i'd be on the 780 (for wing, prone and paddle). It does surf and roll a lot better. The 880 is great for DW winging if you want to get across and over bumps.

780 i'd say - but at your weight you can easily use the 680. So yeh 780 and get yourself a 140 dart tail. You'll be ripping balls real soon. Then maybe add a 180 tail for smaller days. I use the 880 but change tails for fine tuning and what discipline i'm doing. They are very important.

I've been using my HA 580 for the first times in overhead surf this past week winging. I'm on a 60cm fuse Dart 140 tail with a red shim. I was finding it to have more lift than I wanted at high speeds on waves and always felt like I was on the verge of breaching so I was kind of holding back, I don't want to be holding back.
We're just finally starting to get good swell and wind here again since early summer so I haven't had my MA 800 out in awhile but I remember it feeling like I could go anywhere on a steep wave face and feel really comfortable. I need a day where I can do a back to back comparison. Has anyone used a red plus blue shim to take more lift out? I watched a YouTube video wilt Ollie Burton and he was stacking red and blue even 2 reds. My 680 is my favorite wing I've owned since I started foiling 5 years ago, I'm hoping to make the 580 similar with some tweaking. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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I've been using my HA 580 for the first times in overhead surf this past week winging. I'm on a 60cm fuse Dart 140 tail with a red shim. I was finding it to have more lift than I wanted at high speeds on waves and always felt like I was on the verge of breaching so I was kind of holding back, I don't want to be holding back.
We're just finally starting to get good swell and wind here again since early summer so I haven't had my MA 800 out in awhile but I remember it feeling like I could go anywhere on a steep wave face and feel really comfortable. I need a day where I can do a back to back comparison. Has anyone used a red plus blue shim to take more lift out? I watched a YouTube video wilt Ollie Burton and he was stacking red and blue even 2 reds. My 680 is my favorite wing I've owned since I started foiling 5 years ago, I'm hoping to make the 580 similar with some tweaking. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Yeh it's crazy the lift and glide of these front wings. Crew are Sup Paddling up 680s for DW !!


we are getting a 580 soon so will report back. You could buy a 480 that's rumoured to be coming soon and a smaller dart.

I cut down a 180 to a span less than the 140 and traced, cut and sanded 205 surf tips into it. It's an unreal tail. You could do the same with the 140 although i recon a smaller surf tail will probably on the horizon. So maybe just wait.

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duma75 said..
I've been using my HA 580 for the first times in overhead surf this past week winging. I'm on a 60cm fuse Dart 140 tail with a red shim. I was finding it to have more lift than I wanted at high speeds on waves and always felt like I was on the verge of breaching so I was kind of holding back, I don't want to be holding back.
We're just finally starting to get good swell and wind here again since early summer so I haven't had my MA 800 out in awhile but I remember it feeling like I could go anywhere on a steep wave face and feel really comfortable. I need a day where I can do a back to back comparison. Has anyone used a red plus blue shim to take more lift out? I watched a YouTube video wilt Ollie Burton and he was stacking red and blue even 2 reds. My 680 is my favorite wing I've owned since I started foiling 5 years ago, I'm hoping to make the 580 similar with some tweaking. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Yeh it's crazy the lift and glide of these front wings. Crew are Sup Paddling up 680s for DW !!


we are getting a 580 soon so will report back. You could buy a 480 that's rumoured to be coming soon and a smaller dart.

I cut down a 180 to a span less than the 140 and traced, cut and sanded 205 surf tips into it. It's an unreal tail. You could do the same with the 140 although i recon a smaller surf tail will probably on the horizon. So maybe just wait.

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duma75 said..
I've been using my HA 580 for the first times in overhead surf this past week winging. I'm on a 60cm fuse Dart 140 tail with a red shim. I was finding it to have more lift than I wanted at high speeds on waves and always felt like I was on the verge of breaching so I was kind of holding back, I don't want to be holding back.
We're just finally starting to get good swell and wind here again since early summer so I haven't had my MA 800 out in awhile but I remember it feeling like I could go anywhere on a steep wave face and feel really comfortable. I need a day where I can do a back to back comparison. Has anyone used a red plus blue shim to take more lift out? I watched a YouTube video wilt Ollie Burton and he was stacking red and blue even 2 reds. My 680 is my favorite wing I've owned since I started foiling 5 years ago, I'm hoping to make the 580 similar with some tweaking. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Yeh it's crazy the lift and glide of these front wings. Crew are Sup Paddling up 680s for DW !!


we are getting a 580 soon so will report back. You could buy a 480 that's rumoured to be coming soon and a smaller dart.

I cut down a 180 to a span less than the 140 and traced, cut and sanded 205 surf tips into it. It's an unreal tail. You could do the same with the 140 although i recon a smaller surf tail will probably on the horizon. So maybe just wait.

I've heard the rumor about the 480, insane!!

I own the surf 205 tail, it was my go to for my MA wings until I got the 140. Maybe I'll slap it on there and give it a try. The speed 180 cut down is probably a better setup but I'm going to just try and make what I own work if possible
I think I will try a red plus blue on the 140 also just to see how that works. I'm definitely getting the 120 when they put it to market. Please report back with your thoughts on the 580, thanks for the reply!

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eppo said..

duma75 said..
I've been using my HA 580 for the first times in overhead surf this past week winging. I'm on a 60cm fuse Dart 140 tail with a red shim. I was finding it to have more lift than I wanted at high speeds on waves and always felt like I was on the verge of breaching so I was kind of holding back, I don't want to be holding back.
We're just finally starting to get good swell and wind here again since early summer so I haven't had my MA 800 out in awhile but I remember it feeling like I could go anywhere on a steep wave face and feel really comfortable. I need a day where I can do a back to back comparison. Has anyone used a red plus blue shim to take more lift out? I watched a YouTube video wilt Ollie Burton and he was stacking red and blue even 2 reds. My 680 is my favorite wing I've owned since I started foiling 5 years ago, I'm hoping to make the 580 similar with some tweaking. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Yeh it's crazy the lift and glide of these front wings. Crew are Sup Paddling up 680s for DW !!


we are getting a 580 soon so will report back. You could buy a 480 that's rumoured to be coming soon and a smaller dart.

I cut down a 180 to a span less than the 140 and traced, cut and sanded 205 surf tips into it. It's an unreal tail. You could do the same with the 140 although i recon a smaller surf tail will probably on the horizon. So maybe just wait.

eppo said..

duma75 said..
I've been using my HA 580 for the first times in overhead surf this past week winging. I'm on a 60cm fuse Dart 140 tail with a red shim. I was finding it to have more lift than I wanted at high speeds on waves and always felt like I was on the verge of breaching so I was kind of holding back, I don't want to be holding back.
We're just finally starting to get good swell and wind here again since early summer so I haven't had my MA 800 out in awhile but I remember it feeling like I could go anywhere on a steep wave face and feel really comfortable. I need a day where I can do a back to back comparison. Has anyone used a red plus blue shim to take more lift out? I watched a YouTube video wilt Ollie Burton and he was stacking red and blue even 2 reds. My 680 is my favorite wing I've owned since I started foiling 5 years ago, I'm hoping to make the 580 similar with some tweaking. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Yeh it's crazy the lift and glide of these front wings. Crew are Sup Paddling up 680s for DW !!


we are getting a 580 soon so will report back. You could buy a 480 that's rumoured to be coming soon and a smaller dart.

I cut down a 180 to a span less than the 140 and traced, cut and sanded 205 surf tips into it. It's an unreal tail. You could do the same with the 140 although i recon a smaller surf tail will probably on the horizon. So maybe just wait.

I've heard the rumor about the 480, insane!!

I own the surf 205 tail, it was my go to for my MA wings until I got the 140. Maybe I'll slap it on there and give it a try. The speed 180 cut down is probably a better setup but I'm going to just try and make what I own work if possible
I think I will try a red plus blue on the 140 also just to see how that works. I'm definitely getting the 120 when they put it to market. Please report back with your thoughts on the 580, thanks for the reply!

Will do. To add: Since the advent of the new HA (which we were asking for well before they even brought the MA out ) we haven't touched our Mas. That being said - when the surf is really cranking when proning, towing or winging in it - the 625/800 ma still gets dusted off and used. It has its place i suppose. And the surf tail gets dusted off as well.

The 580 with a thinner, smaller, faster surf tail could be your answer though.

Apparently there may be a V2 Ma in the works. If they can adjust the average stall speed then it could be the ultimate big wave surf foil.

I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

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I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

Yeh blue on the 140.

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duma75 said..
I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

Yeh blue on the 140.

So I did a back to back ride yesterday in very strong wind starting with the MA 800 one blue shim then switched to the HA 580 with one red shim just to use what I'm familiar with. Waves were much smaller then previous days with only occasional head high sets and the incoming tide made them softer the longer I was out. My first thoughts on the bigger sets riding the 800 were it's a clear winner before even switching to the 580, Wrong! The 580 was so much more lively and I could put a little extra snap into the ends of the turns and there was no comparison in the glide you get from the 580.

So it's a weapon in waves up to head high with one red shim. Now I have to figure out what I need to do to get it to ride like that in overhead surf. Any experience with base plate shimming? I'm thinking of buying a set of plate shims and adding positive to the front side, the nose side of my baseplate to reduce lift and any possible pitch instability.

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duma75 said..

eppo said..

duma75 said..
I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

Yeh blue on the 140.

So I did a back to back ride yesterday in very strong wind starting with the MA 800 one blue shim then switched to the HA 580 with one red shim just to use what I'm familiar with. Waves were much smaller then previous days with only occasional head high sets and the incoming tide made them softer the longer I was out. My first thoughts on the bigger sets riding the 800 were it's a clear winner before even switching to the 580, Wrong! The 580 was so much more lively and I could put a little extra snap into the ends of the turns and there was no comparison in the glide you get from the 580.

So it's a weapon in waves up to head high with one red shim. Now I have to figure out what I need to do to get it to ride like that in overhead surf. Any experience with base plate shimming? I'm thinking of buying a set of plate shims and adding positive to the front side, the nose side of my baseplate to reduce lift and any possible pitch instability.

did you say above what board you are using ? Does it have rocker at the back or is it flat ?

Or . you could just alter your surf style on the 580 - with within its parameters and go more controlled chill carve style - then wait for the smaller surf tails coming out and eventually the V2 MA

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eppo said..

duma75 said..

eppo said..

duma75 said..
I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

Yeh blue on the 140.

So I did a back to back ride yesterday in very strong wind starting with the MA 800 one blue shim then switched to the HA 580 with one red shim just to use what I'm familiar with. Waves were much smaller then previous days with only occasional head high sets and the incoming tide made them softer the longer I was out. My first thoughts on the bigger sets riding the 800 were it's a clear winner before even switching to the 580, Wrong! The 580 was so much more lively and I could put a little extra snap into the ends of the turns and there was no comparison in the glide you get from the 580.

So it's a weapon in waves up to head high with one red shim. Now I have to figure out what I need to do to get it to ride like that in overhead surf. Any experience with base plate shimming? I'm thinking of buying a set of plate shims and adding positive to the front side, the nose side of my baseplate to reduce lift and any possible pitch instability.

did you say above what board you are using ? Does it have rocker at the back or is it flat ?

Or . you could just alter your surf style on the 580 - with within its parameters and go more controlled chill carve style - then wait for the smaller surf tails coming out and eventually the V2 MA

It's the Axis Froth 45. It has some rocker forward of the track mount, 1.5cm tail rocker from the mast tracks to the center of the board. I purchased it from a friend who took some measurements. Not sure why the photos downloaded upside down but this should give you an idea.

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eppo said..

duma75 said..
I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

Yeh blue on the 140.

So I did a back to back ride yesterday in very strong wind starting with the MA 800 one blue shim then switched to the HA 580 with one red shim just to use what I'm familiar with. Waves were much smaller then previous days with only occasional head high sets and the incoming tide made them softer the longer I was out. My first thoughts on the bigger sets riding the 800 were it's a clear winner before even switching to the 580, Wrong! The 580 was so much more lively and I could put a little extra snap into the ends of the turns and there was no comparison in the glide you get from the 580.

So it's a weapon in waves up to head high with one red shim. Now I have to figure out what I need to do to get it to ride like that in overhead surf. Any experience with base plate shimming? I'm thinking of buying a set of plate shims and adding positive to the front side, the nose side of my baseplate to reduce lift and any possible pitch instability.

I ride 780 in light wind and 580 and 800. All with 140 tail and red shim. 90kg. I really like all 3 foils, but unlike you I find the 800 better in waves. I can be more aggressive and ride the steeper parts of the wave. The HAs turn great and pump better but I feel that the faster you go or steeper the more lift they have to the point that they start to be hard to control. The 800 doesn't do this. I go HA in small or weak surf and 800 in better surf. The 800 needs about the same wind as the 580 in my opinion

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duma75 said..

eppo said..

duma75 said..
I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

Yeh blue on the 140.

So I did a back to back ride yesterday in very strong wind starting with the MA 800 one blue shim then switched to the HA 580 with one red shim just to use what I'm familiar with. Waves were much smaller then previous days with only occasional head high sets and the incoming tide made them softer the longer I was out. My first thoughts on the bigger sets riding the 800 were it's a clear winner before even switching to the 580, Wrong! The 580 was so much more lively and I could put a little extra snap into the ends of the turns and there was no comparison in the glide you get from the 580.

So it's a weapon in waves up to head high with one red shim. Now I have to figure out what I need to do to get it to ride like that in overhead surf. Any experience with base plate shimming? I'm thinking of buying a set of plate shims and adding positive to the front side, the nose side of my baseplate to reduce lift and any possible pitch instability.

I ride 780 in light wind and 580 and 800. All with 140 tail and red shim. 90kg. I really like all 3 foils, but unlike you I find the 800 better in waves. I can be more aggressive and ride the steeper parts of the wave. The HAs turn great and pump better but I feel that the faster you go or steeper the more lift they have to the point that they start to be hard to control. The 800 doesn't do this. I go HA in small or weak surf and 800 in better surf. The 800 needs about the same wind as the 580 in my opinion

I feel the same than you Bolocom. I used 780 basically for light winds (under 13 knots) and the 800 for the rest. (I am 75kg)I prefer the 800 at high speed and also he push me to be better placed on the wave to use the speed.

for me the best would be a MA between the 800 and the 625 but the 800 do the job in 95% of the time.

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duma75 said..

eppo said..

duma75 said..

eppo said..

duma75 said..
I've hear about a V2 version of the MA range. I'm going to hang on to my 800 until they're on the market. So much less glide in the MA and I find I need to be really powered up to get up on foil compared to the 580 but the 800 really comes to life on a big open wave face.

Do you use a blue shim on the 800 and 625? I normally go one red on everything but with the 800 I find I need a little extra lift.

Yeh blue on the 140.

So I did a back to back ride yesterday in very strong wind starting with the MA 800 one blue shim then switched to the HA 580 with one red shim just to use what I'm familiar with. Waves were much smaller then previous days with only occasional head high sets and the incoming tide made them softer the longer I was out. My first thoughts on the bigger sets riding the 800 were it's a clear winner before even switching to the 580, Wrong! The 580 was so much more lively and I could put a little extra snap into the ends of the turns and there was no comparison in the glide you get from the 580.

So it's a weapon in waves up to head high with one red shim. Now I have to figure out what I need to do to get it to ride like that in overhead surf. Any experience with base plate shimming? I'm thinking of buying a set of plate shims and adding positive to the front side, the nose side of my baseplate to reduce lift and any possible pitch instability.

did you say above what board you are using ? Does it have rocker at the back or is it flat ?

Or . you could just alter your surf style on the 580 - with within its parameters and go more controlled chill carve style - then wait for the smaller surf tails coming out and eventually the V2 MA

It's the Axis Froth 45. It has some rocker forward of the track mount, 1.5cm tail rocker from the mast tracks to the center of the board. I purchased it from a friend who took some measurements. Not sure why the photos downloaded upside down but this should give you an idea.

I was more concerned with rocker from the mast track back to the tail. Then again you say there is 1.5cm tail rocker from the mast tracks . yeh a shim might help then. Armie boards are dead flat from the tail through to where you say. Even on the new barracuda DW boards mates are using a mast shim because of that. worth a try.

Thank you, this described exactly the same feeling I'm having in overhead surf on the 580 with red shim. I think you solved my problem, 580 up to head high surf then back to the 800 when it's overhead.

The other day when I did a back to back ride on the 800then the 580 second It's not that I didn't like the 800 it's an awesome wing, the waves were just to small and gutless for it to really turn on like I know it does in bigger surf. Thanks for helping me troubleshoot this, really looking forward to the new MA lineup but until then I know what to ride now. Cheers

Hey HAv2 wing-foilers,

I'm looking for advice on purchasing a second and smaller HAv2 foil for strong winter winds so I can go faster, jump higher, and glide longer, but I also want to make sure that I don't strand myself in the cold water.

I purchased the HAv2 880cm2 back in April. Since it arrived, I haven't ridden anything else (~40 sessions) in winds 10-20kts. The 880's pump and glide transformed my riding, allowing me to work on tacks and jibes, and generally keeping me on foil much longer than in the past. So, thanks to everyone on this thread who helped me pick the 880.

I'm interested in the 580 or 680 for winds 20-30kts. Does anyone have fresh water experience? How much harder is it, and how much more wind is required, to launch them? What are the low-end and high-end wind speeds required, and how much faster are they, relative to the 880? Will the gap between the 580 and 880 feel too large, or will the gap between the 680 and 880 feel too small?

I am 70kg and ride either a 100L or 58L board, with a 72cm mast, 60cm fuse, and the Speed 180cm2 stabilizer (w/ red shim) or the 232cm2 (w/ red+blue shim). Hand-wing is 5.5m2 or 7.0m2. Riding mostly fresh water. My previous quiver was an HA925cm2 and HS1550cm2, switching at about 14kts. The HAv1 925cm2 becomes difficult to manage above 25kts.

Thanks in advance for any considerations.
-Stuart

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Hey HAv2 wing-foilers,

I'm looking for advice on purchasing a second and smaller HAv2 foil for strong winter winds so I can go faster, jump higher, and glide longer, but I also want to make sure that I don't strand myself in the cold water.

I purchased the HAv2 880cm2 back in April. Since it arrived, I haven't ridden anything else (~40 sessions) in winds 10-20kts. The 880's pump and glide transformed my riding, allowing me to work on tacks and jibes, and generally keeping me on foil much longer than in the past. So, thanks to everyone on this thread who helped me pick the 880.

I'm interested in the 580 or 680 for winds 20-30kts. Does anyone have fresh water experience? How much harder is it, and how much more wind is required, to launch them? What are the low-end and high-end wind speeds required, and how much faster are they, relative to the 880? Will the gap between the 580 and 880 feel too large, or will the gap between the 680 and 880 feel too small?

I am 70kg and ride either a 100L or 58L board, with a 72cm mast, 60cm fuse, and the Speed 180cm2 stabilizer (w/ red shim) or the 232cm2 (w/ red+blue shim). Hand-wing is 5.5m2 or 7.0m2. Riding mostly fresh water. My previous quiver was an HA925cm2 and HS1550cm2, switching at about 14kts. The HAv1 925cm2 becomes difficult to manage above 25kts.

Thanks in advance for any considerations.
-Stuart

580 or 680 will work great for you. You'll get a little more glide out of the 680 vs 580, and a little more speed from the 580. I ride the 680 a ton at 93kg and don't feel like I'm ever really maxing it out from a wave riding perspective in slightly overhead and less waves and wishing for something much smaller. Low end is pretty great on both. I don't see why the 580 would be an issue for you at 70kg. They get up and moving very easily and like the 880, are easy to ride. If the fresh water you ride has decent wind swell, these smaller, new HAs will be really fun in 20+ knots. No interest in the MAs? They out-jump (better pop) and out-speed the new HA V2s, but don't glide the best.

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BoardMaverick said..
Hey HAv2 wing-foilers,

I'm looking for advice on purchasing a second and smaller HAv2 foil for strong winter winds so I can go faster, jump higher, and glide longer, but I also want to make sure that I don't strand myself in the cold water.

I purchased the HAv2 880cm2 back in April. Since it arrived, I haven't ridden anything else (~40 sessions) in winds 10-20kts. The 880's pump and glide transformed my riding, allowing me to work on tacks and jibes, and generally keeping me on foil much longer than in the past. So, thanks to everyone on this thread who helped me pick the 880.

I'm interested in the 580 or 680 for winds 20-30kts. Does anyone have fresh water experience? How much harder is it, and how much more wind is required, to launch them? What are the low-end and high-end wind speeds required, and how much faster are they, relative to the 880? Will the gap between the 580 and 880 feel too large, or will the gap between the 680 and 880 feel too small?

I am 70kg and ride either a 100L or 58L board, with a 72cm mast, 60cm fuse, and the Speed 180cm2 stabilizer (w/ red shim) or the 232cm2 (w/ red+blue shim). Hand-wing is 5.5m2 or 7.0m2. Riding mostly fresh water. My previous quiver was an HA925cm2 and HS1550cm2, switching at about 14kts. The HAv1 925cm2 becomes difficult to manage above 25kts.

Thanks in advance for any considerations.
-Stuart

580 or 680 will work great for you. You'll get a little more glide out of the 680 vs 580, and a little more speed from the 580. I ride the 680 a ton at 93kg and don't feel like I'm ever really maxing it out from a wave riding perspective in slightly overhead and less waves and wishing for something much smaller. Low end is pretty great on both. I don't see why the 580 would be an issue for you at 70kg. They get up and moving very easily and like the 880, are easy to ride. If the fresh water you ride has decent wind swell, these smaller, new HAs will be really fun in 20+ knots. No interest in the MAs? They out-jump (better pop) and out-speed the new HA V2s, but don't glide the best.

Thanks @Windoc. Your advice about the 580 seems to match what other riders report for my weight range. And, indeed, there is decent wind swell on the fresh water lake for the days that I'm targeting. So, if I go HAv2, then perhaps the 580 is the one to pick.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to big waves like other MA riders. However, as you've pointed out, I should reconsider the MA line since I'm interested in speed and jumping. In this case, would you recommend the MA625 or MA800 for my weight ~70kg and winds 20+kts?

Thanks,
-Stuart

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Windoc said..

BoardMaverick said..
Hey HAv2 wing-foilers,

I'm looking for advice on purchasing a second and smaller HAv2 foil for strong winter winds so I can go faster, jump higher, and glide longer, but I also want to make sure that I don't strand myself in the cold water.

I purchased the HAv2 880cm2 back in April. Since it arrived, I haven't ridden anything else (~40 sessions) in winds 10-20kts. The 880's pump and glide transformed my riding, allowing me to work on tacks and jibes, and generally keeping me on foil much longer than in the past. So, thanks to everyone on this thread who helped me pick the 880.

I'm interested in the 580 or 680 for winds 20-30kts. Does anyone have fresh water experience? How much harder is it, and how much more wind is required, to launch them? What are the low-end and high-end wind speeds required, and how much faster are they, relative to the 880? Will the gap between the 580 and 880 feel too large, or will the gap between the 680 and 880 feel too small?

I am 70kg and ride either a 100L or 58L board, with a 72cm mast, 60cm fuse, and the Speed 180cm2 stabilizer (w/ red shim) or the 232cm2 (w/ red+blue shim). Hand-wing is 5.5m2 or 7.0m2. Riding mostly fresh water. My previous quiver was an HA925cm2 and HS1550cm2, switching at about 14kts. The HAv1 925cm2 becomes difficult to manage above 25kts.

Thanks in advance for any considerations.
-Stuart

580 or 680 will work great for you. You'll get a little more glide out of the 680 vs 580, and a little more speed from the 580. I ride the 680 a ton at 93kg and don't feel like I'm ever really maxing it out from a wave riding perspective in slightly overhead and less waves and wishing for something much smaller. Low end is pretty great on both. I don't see why the 580 would be an issue for you at 70kg. They get up and moving very easily and like the 880, are easy to ride. If the fresh water you ride has decent wind swell, these smaller, new HAs will be really fun in 20+ knots. No interest in the MAs? They out-jump (better pop) and out-speed the new HA V2s, but don't glide the best.

Thanks @Windoc. Your advice about the 580 seems to match what other riders report for my weight range. And, indeed, there is decent wind swell on the fresh water lake for the days that I'm targeting. So, if I go HAv2, then perhaps the 580 is the one to pick.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to big waves like other MA riders. However, as you've pointed out, I should reconsider the MA line since I'm interested in speed and jumping. In this case, would you recommend the MA625 or MA800 for my weight ~70kg and winds 20+kts?

Thanks,
-Stuart

Didn't ask me but for what it's worth 625 with the 140. go full Cash bra

For reference, I'm on a HA680 here on a flat water lake. I'm heavy and old and it still pops ok for me. The MA625 might be the ticket for you. 800 also a great choice.