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AUS 814 said..
Desperately waiting for the Next container to arrive with my Hover - counting the days !. Can anyone suggest a board bag that might fit. Flying Objects have a day cover in 235 X 85 to fit a slalom board, ? the shape of the hover should fit okay, no problems if its to big !. Any thought s or suggestions welcome

I have got a flying objects board bag a tad smaller .that's size should be fine the shoulders on the side might be a wee bit big. Enjoy your new toy they fly in light winds

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AUS 814 said..
Desperately waiting for the Next container to arrive with my Hover - counting the days !. Can anyone suggest a board bag that might fit. Flying Objects have a day cover in 235 X 85 to fit a slalom board, ? the shape of the hover should fit okay, no problems if its to big !. Any thought s or suggestions welcome

I have got a flying objects board bag a tad smaller .that's size should be fine the shoulders on the side might be a wee bit big. Enjoy your new toy they fly in light winds

I've got a flying objects cover too. Fits fine.

Loving my hover. Got out twice this week when I would never have hit the water with my other kit. Sailed up to a 7m and size was no issue.

Still working on the foiling gybe- this will take a little while
longer to master.

I did try some jumps using the pumping style- fun! Not heaps of height yet.

The small adjustments make massive changes. I'm keeping a screwdriver on the sand as I seem to make a few changes during a session.

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I did some comparing Naish Thrust Ws1 vs NP Rs Flight AlHave a look at http://bensens.dk/BLOG/np-alu-vs-naish-alu/ Sorry in danish, but pics, and ...google translate

What is it with Airedales and Naish foils?

Yours




Mine - Walter, wet but happy after his first foiling session

Ha ha. My Dale , Eddie, is photobombing all my writings about windsurf...always...

Naish reccommends small sails for their foilboards, I think 4.7 to 5.7, while guys on other brands are using large sails, eg, pride, starboard.

is the sail size a function of the foil design? Will the naish not cope with larger sails 6-7m. I would have thought to maximise light wind planing a bigger sail is needed?

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Naish reccommends small sails for their foilboards, I think 4.7 to 5.7, while guys on other brands are using large sails, eg, pride, starboard.

is the sail size a function of the foil design? Will the naish not cope with larger sails 6-7m. I would have thought to maximise light wind planing a bigger sail is needed?

I'm know expert but l find a 6 mtr more than enough to get going in light winds. Once your up mine you a lot of pumping involved the foil takes over .this setup is designed for the earliest launch.l know on other foils Pryde they use wider boards & bigger sails to race on. I'm 95 kg so l'm no lightweight.ps.the faster you go the more stable the thrust gets it can be a handful above 18 knots. l brought it for light s&it.

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Naish reccommends small sails for their foilboards, I think 4.7 to 5.7, while guys on other brands are using large sails, eg, pride, starboard.

is the sail size a function of the foil design? Will the naish not cope with larger sails 6-7m. I would have thought to maximise light wind planing a bigger sail is needed?

I've used a 7m. It was fine. It's definately better and easier to control with a smaller sail. A 4.5m is awesome to control. Size Depends on what it takes to get you up to about 8knts which I think is when
i can pop up onto the foil.

I have the NP Alu foil and couldn't get it going in light conditions, 7-12 knots on a gusty lake, and the got to try the Naish Hoverboard and Thrust foil and immediately popped the foil and flew! Couldn't believe the difference and how easy to was to get the Thrust foiling in such light winds.

But you can see the difference in the size of the front wings makes all the difference. I learnt then what a 'low aspect' Naish and a 'high aspect' Pryde foils do. The Pryde is quite fast I've maxed at 23knots while the Thrust was early foiling, stable and easy to manoeuvre.
http://bensens.dk/BLOG/np-alu-vs-naish-alu/

Also, I felt the 122L volume of the Naish Hover board was more like 110L! I have a 124L 80cm wide slalom board which feels so much bigger than the Hover board!? If you look at the Hoverboard I can't see where they squeeze in 122L of volume?

I did really like the stance on the Hover board as more inboard and compact - felt more like foiling a waveboard than a slalom board due to the straps being way more inboard and mast track a bit closer.

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Naish reccommends small sails for their foilboards, I think 4.7 to 5.7, while guys on other brands are using large sails, eg, pride, starboard.

is the sail size a function of the foil design? Will the naish not cope with larger sails 6-7m. I would have thought to maximise light wind planing a bigger sail is needed?

As the others have said there is quite a different philosophy going on between the brands. Naish is purely in the 'get going as early as possible and have as much fun' camp. I tried all the Naish foils up at the WSS demo day and they get going super early and are very easy to use, this is their ballpark. I reckon if all you want to do is foil for fun and have a blast in super light wind with smaller sails you can't beat the Naish, you will not win races.

Pryde and Starboard on the other hand seem to be aiming at more of the race end of the market. I have the RS:Flight F4 and it is a very very fast foil. With the two wings you have everything covered from course racing to high speed slalom. However, cruising around in <10kts is not that easy or comfortable even with big sails and someone on a Naish will most likely foil right past you with a wave sail while you're slogging/pumping and have way more fun. Once it's 12+kts though and if you're interested in racing you'll destroy a Naish around a course.

The NP RS:Flight AL is a bit of a weird one I reckon. It has quite a small wing (a fair bit smaller than the F4's big wing) which means that it needs a fair bit of wind to get going. I reckon I'd need a 7.0m and min 12-14kts+ to get going on it comfortably, where I can cruise on the F4 in 10-12kts on a 6.0m (less wind once you're on the foil).

They also have the RS:One Convertible, which has the same mast, fuse and stabiliser as the Flight:AL but it has a bigger front wing as it's designed for course racing. This gets going quite a bit earlier, similar to the F4 with the big wing. I'm not sure why the didn't sell the Flight:AL with the bigger wing or have it as an option as it seems more in line with what people want to do with a foil; Marketing I guess.

So end of the day pick wisely, all foils' are not alike. I think most people getting into foiling and just wanting to get out in light winds and cruise around/learn the ropes would be better served on the Naish foils. If you're into course racing or more speed, the NP or starboard foils offer more performance once you're over that super light wind threshold but that's not without drawbacks like bigger sails/race sails etc.

4 brands, 4 different ways of making foils.

Any tips on rigging the Naish Lift 5.7 for maximum power?

In under 10 knots I can only get going in the direction of the swells. I just do not have enough to get my JP 155 foil board on the foil when going out against the swells in under 10 knots.

I have tried different out haul and down haul settings but not sure I can tell which setting is best.

The Naish Lift 5.7 sail has spoiled me. I no longer want to go out with a more traditional larger heavy sail.

If I can't get a little more power out of the 5.7 is there a similar sail that is super light like the Lift but a little larger, perhaps a 6.5?

Naish WS1 foil - in light wind my Ezzy Elite works better than my other wavesails (Simmer Blacktip and Severne Blade & Gator).

I guess because Ezzy's are non-rotational sails - they use batten taper and profile in the seam to get shape in the sail - don't need wind to force shape into the sail by pushing the battens away from the mast.
15 knots and over all the sails work well, around 12 knots the Ezzy's better.

Yesterday in 12-16 kt SSW with Ezzy Elite 5.7, Isonic 121, Naish WS1 (70 mast).

Awesome fun downwinding catching swells - top speed 19.9 knots

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Any tips on rigging the Naish Lift 5.7 for maximum power?

In under 10 knots I can only get going in the direction of the swells. I just do not have enough to get my JP 155 foil board on the foil when going out against the swells in under 10 knots.

I have tried different out haul and down haul settings but not sure I can tell which setting is best.

The Naish Lift 5.7 sail has spoiled me. I no longer want to go out with a more traditional larger heavy sail.

If I can't get a little more power out of the 5.7 is there a similar sail that is super light like the Lift but a little larger, perhaps a 6.5?

Have a look at the sailworks flyer, looking at a 6.0 maybe for myself, 4 battens 2 cams. Check Australian Foilers Facebook page a great video of them on there. 4 sizes at 4.5. 5.2, 6.0 and 7.0.

Sorry for the delayed response, for some reason I can't get email notices about new posts even though I subscribed multiple times.

Azymuth, what is your Naish rear wing set to? That is about 1 knot faster than I can get on my Naish WS1.

I have mine set to maximum lift which I like as it allows me to balance my weight better between my back and front leg.

While as you say all sails work, I now think my Superfreak is giving me the best ride. They are soft so they absorb the gusts giving me just smooth power.

They can also be flagged out 100% as they have 2 battens at 90%. With no wind in them they are flat and can literally disappear behind the mast.

The Superfreak is also super light, so they can be thrown around easily for turning and catching swells.

Not sure why but they also seem to have good pull at the lower end to get up on the foil.

I am finding the Naish Lift 5.7 has a lot of power for light wind, but as the wind comes up they are harder to control. With only 3.5 battens, and that 1/2 batten, they tend to have way too much power in higher winds. I had to ride almost 100% sheeted out at all times with the Naish yesterday and the wind gusts were under 17 knots.

I was using my Ezzy Cheetahs at first, but if I remember correctly they really give a lot of raw power with each gust, which on a foil makes me feel like I have to make an adjustment to counter the gust. I think that is why we are seeing a lot of foil sails with cams like the Sailworks flyer. The cams help to smooth out the power which makes for an easier ride.

My concern with the cam sails though is they are not as light as wave sails. Cams are great for steady power, but not as easy to throw around and back and forth when carving and riding swells. I believe no wave sails have cams and this is probably why.

So now I am thinking of getting a larger Superfreak sail.

havent had a board suitable with volume and width for kids to learn on. Got an old fin a dremel and carved it to fit into the foil base, Lets see what happens. They are pumped for summer. Which is great as a windsurfing dad to see. Good for a calm learning day as the Hover 122 doesn't have a lot of rocker.

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havent had a board suitable with volume and width for kids to learn on. Got an old fin a dremel and carved it to fit into the foil base, Lets see what happens. They are pumped for summer. Which is great as a windsurfing dad to see. Good for a calm learning day as the Hover 122 doesn't have a lot of rocker.

I just put two 9" dolphin fins in the two US boxes and it worked fine without the foil.

First time out today on Hover and thrust foil, was well worth the wait.Conditions were a little up and down, probably 6-15 knots, took out a 5.7 wave sail. Quick question re foot strap placement.I had mine in second hole from rear and same in front, ? Having them back makes it easier to get foiling but harder to control excessive lift?

Genrerally had mast base in middle and foil3/4 of way to the front. does anyone have any tips re the placement of the above two. I weigh about 82 kg.


overall had heaps of fun, many swims, some moderate flights and moderate stacks. Hopeful give it another go tomorrow

I'm about 74kg and run the straps and mast base the same as you but generally run the foil pretty much all the way back. Might just be personal but I am running the boom height higher than usual when foiling.

Naish WS1 foil is optimised for light wind / ease of use / fun...

Mark about 15 mins after jumping on the foil for the first time - 12 knot breeze at Leighton

Ok, he is a very experienced wave/speed sailor



Photo courtesy Bob the Dog

Anyone got any tips on how to sail upwind on the Naish combo.Struggling a bit getting upwind not sure if I should have my rear foot out in front of rear straps or leave it in the rear straps?.Any advice, General gliding is pretty good just can't seem to get any height

You need power to get height, sail power. Whilst I can foil with a 5.2 wave sail in almost the same wind as a 7.8m race sail, the race sail just dominates the wave sail for upwind/downwind angles...for obvious reasons.

If you aren't well powered you won't have good angles.

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AUS 814 said..
Anyone got any tips on how to sail upwind on the Naish combo.Struggling a bit getting upwind not sure if I should have my rear foot out in front of rear straps or leave it in the rear straps?.Any advice, General gliding is pretty good just can't seem to get any height

I use both straps and find getting upwind easy in plenty of wind. Hanging out in the harness - more like sailing a slalom board.

The tracks below were in a 18 to 20 knot SW'er - 6.5kms upwind as the crow flies.
Overpowered downwind with the 5.7 but still manageable and heaps of fun.

Naish WS1 foil, Isonic 121, Ezzy Elite 5.7 wave sail




By the way has anyone tried the 90cm mast yet?

Got the Naish thrust in on Thursday (been using the NP AL since October)

It's an easy foil for sure and a different feel from the NP. The only thing that bugged me was the mast length?

as Azymuth said anyone used the 90 yet?

Looks like Robby certainly is?

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CoreAS said..
Got the Naish thrust in on Thursday (been using the NP AL since October)

It's an easy foil for sure and a different feel from the NP. The only thing that bugged me was the mast length?

as Azymuth said anyone used the 90 yet?

Looks like Robby certainly is?

I have been using the 90. I find it much better. More time to react and can go out in choppier conditions without breaching. I have also used the kite front wing. Got going in a lot less wind than anticipated, faster and more stable than i would have thought.

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CoreAS said..
Got the Naish thrust in on Thursday (been using the NP AL since October)

It's an easy foil for sure and a different feel from the NP. The only thing that bugged me was the mast length?

as Azymuth said anyone used the 90 yet?

Looks like Robby certainly is?

I have been using the 90. I find it much better. More time to react and can go out in choppier conditions without breaching. I have also used the kite front wing. Got going in a lot less wind than anticipated, faster and more stable than i would have thought.

? No issues with warranty using the 90cm mast ??. I am assuming that their shoudnt be any but you never know ??

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CoreAS said..
Got the Naish thrust in on Thursday (been using the NP AL since October)

It's an easy foil for sure and a different feel from the NP. The only thing that bugged me was the mast length?

as Azymuth said anyone used the 90 yet?

Looks like Robby certainly is?

I have been using the 90. I find it much better. More time to react and can go out in choppier conditions without breaching. I have also used the kite front wing. Got going in a lot less wind than anticipated, faster and more stable than i would have thought.

That's good to know thanks.

The first day I foiled it, was pretty choppy and I'm used to flying higher on the NP. First few runs it breached multiple times. I got used to it and kept it lower but then the tail of the board would catch occasionally.

Overall it was very stable and easy to Foil up but I'll get the 90 mast use in choppier waters.

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Johno said..

CoreAS said..
Got the Naish thrust in on Thursday (been using the NP AL since October)

It's an easy foil for sure and a different feel from the NP. The only thing that bugged me was the mast length?

as Azymuth said anyone used the 90 yet?

Looks like Robby certainly is?

I have been using the 90. I find it much better. More time to react and can go out in choppier conditions without breaching. I have also used the kite front wing. Got going in a lot less wind than anticipated, faster and more stable than i would have thought.

That's good to know thanks.

The first day I foiled it, was pretty choppy and I'm used to flying higher on the NP. First few runs it breached multiple times. I got used to it and kept it lower but then the tail of the board would catch occasionally.

Overall it was very stable and easy to Foil up but I'll get the 90 mast use in choppier waters.

Where do you find the 90 cm mast? Looked at Naish homepage, but nothing to buy? Any links or price?
Bensen

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bensen said..

CoreAS said..

Johno said..

CoreAS said..
Got the Naish thrust in on Thursday (been using the NP AL since October)

It's an easy foil for sure and a different feel from the NP. The only thing that bugged me was the mast length?

as Azymuth said anyone used the 90 yet?

Looks like Robby certainly is?

I have been using the 90. I find it much better. More time to react and can go out in choppier conditions without breaching. I have also used the kite front wing. Got going in a lot less wind than anticipated, faster and more stable than i would have thought.

That's good to know thanks.

The first day I foiled it, was pretty choppy and I'm used to flying higher on the NP. First few runs it breached multiple times. I got used to it and kept it lower but then the tail of the board would catch occasionally.

Overall it was very stable and easy to Foil up but I'll get the 90 mast use in choppier waters.

Where do you find the 90 cm mast? Looked at Naish homepage, but nothing to buy? Any links or price?
Bensen

Check out the Naish foils webpage . I think here is aus they are around the $280 and are available

Thanks

Tested my new 90 cm mast today in a solid 20 knot seabreeze and big chop.
The full length mast was easier to regulate foil height as expected and felt more forgiving going fast downwind - otherwise surprisingly similar feeling to the 70cm mast.
Used 5m Simmer wavesail and Isonic 121 with rear straps moved inwards 10cms.


Swapped out the WS1 foil to a KS1 (kite) front wing (880 cm2) loaned from Windsurfing Perth - was topping out at 20 knots with the WS1 wing (1,220 cm2) and immediately went about a knot faster with the KS1.
The smaller wing was steadier at speed but slightly less maneuverable (KS1 is flat - WS1 has slight V).
I got foiling easily but found I had to work quite hard to maintain height - even in the 20 knot breeze.
I'm 82kgs, so perhaps around 1,000cm2 would be ideal for me as a high wind wing - but the KS1 is probably perfect if you're lighter.


Quick test - only sailed for about 30 minutes - didn't want to mark the loaner wing

Awesome fun


Kite Wing KS1


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