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Jimmy Lewis Boards > 9 months ago, 30 Sep 2023

hilly

7979 posts

28 Nov 2023 2:06pm

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drc13 said..

hilly said..

drc13 said..
Has anyone tested the 175AR tail yet?

I currently only have the 150AR but interested in extending the low end of my 720s.

The 175 seems HUGE but this line from the website seems to suggest it might pair with the 720s.

"Our advanced riders have been enjoying this tail when riding bigger, faster waves when wing, tow or surf foiling. They have found they get more hold and stability when paired with the 720S front wing. However, it does not roll as well as the 175AR, so if you want more manoeuvrability, you may want to size down."

Your comment does not make sense. The quote says it does not roll as well as the 175AR. What tail are they talking about?

Thats from the code website for the 188R, so they are pairing that with the 720s but saying the step down to 175AR rolls better.

So my question remains currently own a 150AR with that quote above in mind I wonder which would be the better step up in size with the 720s to add low end the 158AR or the 175AR

I use the 158 with the 850. Turns better than the 150 but is slower, which is good in waves. I am considering getting the 175 as well, would be good to hear from someone with experience.

hilly

7979 posts

28 Nov 2023 2:32pm

Watch this at the end James Casey explains the use of the big tail towing. www.facebook.com/groups/foilsurfers/permalink/7022148874508987/?mibextid=W9rl1R

drc13

NSW

158 posts

28 Nov 2023 6:48pm

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hilly said..
Watch this at the end James Casey explains the use of the big tail towing. www.facebook.com/groups/foilsurfers/permalink/7022148874508987/?mibextid=W9rl1R

funny I actually watched that just after I posted the quote was so good to hear james talk about that bit but especially when he mentioned it doesn't pump in that combo which makes sense. Still wonder if the 175 is any different though looks like we're both interested :)

hilly

7979 posts

28 Nov 2023 4:51pm

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drc13 looks like we're both interested :)

Yep but might break my ankles if they turn better

noepoxy

QLD

90 posts

2 Dec 2023 5:31pm

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hilly said..

drc13 said..

hilly said..

Your comment does not make sense. The quote says it does not roll as well as the 175AR. What tail are they talking about?

I use the 158 with the 850. Turns better than the 150 but is slower, which is good in waves. I am considering getting the 175 as well, would be good to hear from someone with experience.

I use the short fuse with the 980/850/720 with the 150AR kite, wing and sup foiling and it turns way better than the medium fuse, with the medium fuse it's a bit pedestrian on all setups, a delayed response I find. Not sure if it's necessary for a bigger tail if you have power, either big waves or wind as it'll just add drag, FWIW 95-100kg rider

frenchfoiler

505 posts

3 Dec 2023 4:48am

980S paired with shortfus and 142 tail for make it more responsive, good combo for small surf.

drc13

NSW

158 posts

4 Dec 2023 10:55am

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noepoxy said..

hilly said..

drc13 said..

hilly said..

Your comment does not make sense. The quote says it does not roll as well as the 175AR. What tail are they talking about?

I use the 158 with the 850. Turns better than the 150 but is slower, which is good in waves. I am considering getting the 175 as well, would be good to hear from someone with experience.

Good to know, thanks for that, so far loving the long fuse on the 720s/150AR but with a 980s on the way I might add a short fuse into the mix!

drc13

NSW

158 posts

4 Dec 2023 10:55am

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frenchfoiler said..
980S paired with shortfus and 142 tail for make it more responsive, good combo for small surf.

so nice and smooth! how much do you weight mate?

drc13

NSW

158 posts

4 Dec 2023 10:56am

Here's a couple of vids from the weekend giving my 720s it's first real hit out. I'm only 6 months into learning to foil so don't judge too harshly but safe to say I'm happy with the setup!JS Mister Bennetts 29LCode Foil 720sCode Foil 85cm HM Carbon Mast Code Foil Large Fuse Code Foil 150AR Stab

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hilly

7979 posts

4 Dec 2023 10:42am

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drc13 said..

hilly said..
Watch this at the end James Casey explains the use of the big tail towing. www.facebook.com/groups/foilsurfers/permalink/7022148874508987/?mibextid=W9rl1R

Just got the 175 and swapped out the 850 for a 720

drc13

NSW

158 posts

4 Dec 2023 4:20pm

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hilly said..

drc13 said..

hilly said..
Watch this at the end James Casey explains the use of the big tail towing. www.facebook.com/groups/foilsurfers/permalink/7022148874508987/?mibextid=W9rl1R

Just got the 175 and swapped out the 850 for a 720

oooh good on you mate, you know I want a review once you've had a chance very interested to hear what you think of the 175I had a major ahah moment on the 720s/150AR last session suddenly the pump just clicked making it a much more versatile wing for me. We had 2-4ft a few days in a row and it handled it so well.Having said that I've got a 980s and short fuse on the way hopefully soon I'm a tad concerned I'll be overfoiled but it's for the smallest of small days, bay runs and trying to learn to wing

hilly

7979 posts

4 Dec 2023 2:19pm

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drc13 said..

hilly said..

drc13 said..

hilly said..
Watch this at the end James Casey explains the use of the big tail towing. www.facebook.com/groups/foilsurfers/permalink/7022148874508987/?mibextid=W9rl1R

Just got the 175 and swapped out the 850 for a 720

New toys

hilly

7979 posts

5 Dec 2023 7:36am

Tiny beach break surf 980, 75, med, 175 tail using FoilDrive with a sup. The tail definitely slows the 980 down which is good. Turning was much improved for my weight (100kg) carried me back to the foam much better than the 150. Could definitely push harder on the turns and it did not feel overly lifty on takeoff. Very happy.

Hopefully will get a ding this arvo on it as well.

drc13

NSW

158 posts

5 Dec 2023 11:00am

oooh awesome sounds like a winning combo for you! yeah I agree when surfing I don't always want "the fastest setup" still waiting for my 980s to be shipped... surf has dropped off down here and it was a much bigger battle on the 720s today

Piros

QLD

7251 posts

5 Dec 2023 12:58pm

Hey Hilly have you tried that big tail on the 850

hilly

7979 posts

5 Dec 2023 12:45pm

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Piros said..
Hey Hilly have you tried that big tail on the 850

No I changed the 850 for a 720 yesterday. Will try it with that soon. It was not so good dinging. I think the 150 is better.

hilly

7979 posts

10 Dec 2023 1:10pm

Trid the 720 with 175 tail in small waves. Worked ok. Roll was amazing and really controlled. Not much glide for my 100kg.

Piros

QLD

7251 posts

10 Dec 2023 3:37pm

I rode the 850 in some pretty solid swell on the FD way too much lift , so just picked up the 720

hilly

7979 posts

10 Dec 2023 2:00pm

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Piros said..
I rode the 850 in some pretty solid swell on the FD way too much lift , so just picked up the 720

You will love it for wing and tow. FoilDrive with bigger waves should be killer.

drc13

NSW

158 posts

10 Dec 2023 5:09pm

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hilly said..
Trid the 720 with 175 tail in small waves. Worked ok. Roll was amazing and really controlled. Not much glide for my 100kg.

Yeah I'd agree there's not a huge amount of glide in my 720s/150AR definitely less than my Uni Progression 125 had. I do have to work the foil more to keep it in it's happy place but having said that once it's over 3ft it's a lot more confidence inspiring and stable through the speed range than my uni was. So it does the job I got it for.

frenchfoiler

505 posts

10 Dec 2023 4:35pm

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drc13 said..

frenchfoiler said..
980S paired with shortfus and 142 tail for make it more responsive, good combo for small surf.

so nice and smooth! how much do you weight mate?

Thanks, I'm 75kg but usually I'm also on full wetsuit so it adds more.

I tried the 720/longfus/158 in good surf, I really like how it handles the speed and the control you have on the turns, you can really do full committed bottom turn into a top carving turn in "steep" (at leat for foiling) section.

noepoxy

QLD

90 posts

10 Dec 2023 8:24pm

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hilly said..
Tiny beach break surf 980, 75, med, 175 tail using FoilDrive with a sup. The tail definitely slows the 980 down which is good. Turning was much improved for my weight (100kg) carried me back to the foam much better than the 150. Could definitely push harder on the turns and it did not feel overly lifty on takeoff. Very happy.

Hopefully will get a ding this arvo on it as well.

Hey, can you pump the 980S sup foiling? I'm around the same weight and not having much luck pumping the 980S with short fuse and 150AR. Maybe I should've got the 1130S?

Is anyone pumping the 980S successfully at 100kgs sup foiling? If so, what's the secret?

hilly

7979 posts

11 Dec 2023 10:34am

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noepoxy said..

Hopefully will get a ding this arvo on it as well.

No idea about pumping as I use a FoilDrive. 1130 would be seriously lifty I would guess. Demo one?

warwickl

NSW

2357 posts

11 Dec 2023 5:33pm

Anyone compared the Code equivalent to an Axis 951 ART pro with 360 skinny stab for a 73kg guy?
I have this and use it 90% of the time from 10kn to 30kn wind on lake water and love it for its acceleration, control, amazing glide, speed, and manouravability.

Just realised I am not in the windwing forum still interested in any comments, thanks.

Piros

QLD

7251 posts

11 Dec 2023 9:01pm

The Axis 951 is very close to the Code 770 r spec wise. This is the foil that won all the races in Hawaii . I've downwinded ( me on the wing ) with the Ben Tardrew and the "A" team Sup DW boys and they all used it . It's incredibly fast I struggled to keep up on the code 980s . How much better than the Axis I can't say but I did put some time in on the Axis 1001 and loved it . You really would need to jump on a 770r and test yourself , you are smack on in the weight range for it .

Gustenzo

108 posts

12 Dec 2023 10:17pm

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Piros said..
The Axis 951 is very close to the Code 770 r spec wise. This is the foil that won all the races in Hawaii . I've downwinded ( me on the wing ) with the Ben Tardrew and the "A" team Sup DW boys and they all used it . It's incredibly fast I struggled to keep up on the code 980s . How much better than the Axis I can't say but I did put some time in on the Axis 1001 and loved it . You really would need to jump on a 770r and test yourself , you are smack on in the weight range for it .

Completely different wings. 951 much much higher stall speed and I would say much higher top speed. I would say no current equivalent. Maybe soon though...

hilly

7979 posts

13 Dec 2023 3:50am

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Gustenzo said. Completely different wings.

Please explain? as they look very similar. Have you riden the 770r?

frenchfoiler

505 posts

14 Dec 2023 2:29pm

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hilly said..

Gustenzo said. Completely different wings.

Please explain? as they look very similar. Have you riden the 770r?

Different section, dimensions don't mean everything.

770R is "easy" for a foil this size.

timmcg89

25 posts

16 Dec 2023 6:44am

My mates selling his mountain bike and wants to get into foiling. He's got up behind a boat on my axis gear.. I said he should just invest in code from the start as that's what I would be riding if I wasn't so invested in axis, seems like the best reviews and saves the bother of re-selling and changing brands once he's progressed . would the 850s be viable to learn on? Tail wing? long fusalage? He's around 90kg

drc13

NSW

158 posts

16 Dec 2023 12:18pm

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timmcg89 said..
My mates selling his mountain bike and wants to get into foiling. He's got up behind a boat on my axis gear.. I said he should just invest in code from the start as that's what I would be riding if I wasn't so invested in axis, seems like the best reviews and saves the bother of re-selling and changing brands once he's progressed . would the 850s be viable to learn on? Tail wing? long fusalage? He's around 90kg

I'd also consider unifoil progression for his first kit, I've moved from Uni to Code but I feel the Uni was an easier kit to ride it's just not much good once you get into waves with a bit of energyIf he's a rank beginner and wants to go with code at 90kg I'd be going 980s at a minimum but the 1130s would be better again, long fuse and 158AR would probably go well with it but it's all going to depend on what level he is at right now and what kind of conditions he's going to be learning in.

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