Im not sure what I can say about sizes so wont say any specific numbers.

The wing I've been using dw for last couple of months is close to lift 120 sizing in sq cm. I've been using it from 12-28 knots comfortably. I've used a wide variety of different code tails and this front wing responds really well to different size tails. Ie the bigger tails add a good amount of low end and lift without being too draggy. Most of the time I'm usually riding it with the 150AR tail shimmed, particularly as it has been good winds lately. If it was really light (~12 knots) the 158AR (or bigger depending on skill level/fitness) would be nicer to use and not shimmed with this front wing.

I spent a fair bit of time on the lift 120 beforehand, as a comparison this code wing is easier to paddle up, has a better low end in crappy days then the 120 but matches speed with the lift 110 or faster? (have had a couple runs comparing lift 110 vs code). I guess it will ultimately depend on the conditions on the day for which wing is faster. But this code wing is quick, and reasonably user friendly for its size.

I think the bigger version is going to be a hit as well, could probably be the only dw wing you need in your quiver depending on your conditions/body weight/skill level.

I spoke to Benny Tardrew today the 770 R & 860 R will hit the stores next few days in Aus . SurfFX will have stock of limited numbers . The 770 R was what both Craig & Benny were riding on the Sups in the above video , I was on the 980 but I am getting a 770 for the ding & prone

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Cygnify said..
Im not sure what I can say about sizes so wont say any specific numbers.

The wing I've been using dw for last couple of months is close to lift 120 sizing in sq cm. I've been using it from 12-28 knots comfortably. I've used a wide variety of different code tails and this front wing responds really well to different size tails. Ie the bigger tails add a good amount of low end and lift without being too draggy. Most of the time I'm usually riding it with the 150AR tail shimmed, particularly as it has been good winds lately. If it was really light (~12 knots) the 158AR (or bigger depending on skill level/fitness) would be nicer to use and not shimmed with this front wing.

I spent a fair bit of time on the lift 120 beforehand, as a comparison this code wing is easier to paddle up, has a better low end in crappy days then the 120 but matches speed with the lift 110 or faster? (have had a couple runs comparing lift 110 vs code). I guess it will ultimately depend on the conditions on the day for which wing is faster. But this code wing is quick, and reasonably user friendly for its size.

I think the bigger version is going to be a hit as well, could probably be the only dw wing you need in your quiver depending on your conditions/body weight/skill level.

Epic review!!! Thanks for sharing and going into detail!

I like the fact you can use a bigger tail to improve its low end on a more average day without creating drag, epic!

Thanks again

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Piros said..
I spoke to Benny Tardrew today the 770 R & 860 R will hit the stores next few days in Aus . SurfFX will have stock of limited numbers . The 770 R was what both Craig & Benny were riding on the Sups in the above video , I was on the 980 but I am getting a 770 for the ding & prone

Awesome news mate. Can't wait to get an 860.
Here is me on the 770 R on a decent north swell and 20 knot northerly, earlier this week. Cutting out as well at the same time as you have to for this run.

www.instagram.com/reel/Cyc9JBNPsNs/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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Cygnify said..
Im not sure what I can say about sizes so wont say any specific numbers.

The wing I've been using dw for last couple of months is close to lift 120 sizing in sq cm. I've been using it from 12-28 knots comfortably. I've used a wide variety of different code tails and this front wing responds really well to different size tails. Ie the bigger tails add a good amount of low end and lift without being too draggy. Most of the time I'm usually riding it with the 150AR tail shimmed, particularly as it has been good winds lately. If it was really light (~12 knots) the 158AR (or bigger depending on skill level/fitness) would be nicer to use and not shimmed with this front wing.

I spent a fair bit of time on the lift 120 beforehand, as a comparison this code wing is easier to paddle up, has a better low end in crappy days then the 120 but matches speed with the lift 110 or faster? (have had a couple runs comparing lift 110 vs code). I guess it will ultimately depend on the conditions on the day for which wing is faster. But this code wing is quick, and reasonably user friendly for its size.

I think the bigger version is going to be a hit as well, could probably be the only dw wing you need in your quiver depending on your conditions/body weight/skill level.

Epic review!!! Thanks for sharing and going into detail!

I like the fact you can use a bigger tail to improve its low end on a more average day without creating drag, epic!

Thanks again

Cheers mate. There must(?) be a little drag but in the conditions you would want a bigger tail you wouldn't notice it (I didn't), it just felt like having a slightly bigger or lifter front wing

I'm sure I've tried it before in other setups and not been as impressed but perhaps this is because the 770 R is a much higher aspect ratio than those setups. Anyway it's an option!

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Cygnify said..

Piros said..
I spoke to Benny Tardrew today the 770 R & 860 R will hit the stores next few days in Aus . SurfFX will have stock of limited numbers . The 770 R was what both Craig & Benny were riding on the Sups in the above video , I was on the 980 but I am getting a 770 for the ding & prone

Awesome news mate. Can't wait to get an 860.
Here is me on the 770 R on a decent north swell and 20 knot northerly, earlier this week. Cutting out as well at the same time as you have to for this run.

www.instagram.com/reel/Cyc9JBNPsNs/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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Cygnify said..
Im not sure what I can say about sizes so wont say any specific numbers.

The wing I've been using dw for last couple of months is close to lift 120 sizing in sq cm. I've been using it from 12-28 knots comfortably. I've used a wide variety of different code tails and this front wing responds really well to different size tails. Ie the bigger tails add a good amount of low end and lift without being too draggy. Most of the time I'm usually riding it with the 150AR tail shimmed, particularly as it has been good winds lately. If it was really light (~12 knots) the 158AR (or bigger depending on skill level/fitness) would be nicer to use and not shimmed with this front wing.

I spent a fair bit of time on the lift 120 beforehand, as a comparison this code wing is easier to paddle up, has a better low end in crappy days then the 120 but matches speed with the lift 110 or faster? (have had a couple runs comparing lift 110 vs code). I guess it will ultimately depend on the conditions on the day for which wing is faster. But this code wing is quick, and reasonably user friendly for its size.

I think the bigger version is going to be a hit as well, could probably be the only dw wing you need in your quiver depending on your conditions/body weight/skill level.

Epic review!!! Thanks for sharing and going into detail!

I like the fact you can use a bigger tail to improve its low end on a more average day without creating drag, epic!

Thanks again

Cheers mate. There must(?) be a little drag but in the conditions you would want a bigger tail you wouldn't notice it (I didn't), it just felt like having a slightly bigger or lifter front wing

I'm sure I've tried it before in other setups and not been as impressed but perhaps this is because the 770 R is a much higher aspect ratio than those setups. Anyway it's an option!

Wow!! She goes, insane glide on the traverse out to sea, looks like it turns ok also.
Nice work, cooking!!
Thanks for sharing

For dw turns as good as you need for a HA wing, and best of all if the tips come out you can still ride thru the turn. Quite often I've had the foil out of the water, getting a bit too high going straight and if you're gentle on it you will drop down and can continue riding. Very forgiving in breaches.

New toys to play with
Thanks to the crew at Surffx (Great to deal with) I have 85 mast x 2, 980/850, med fuses and 2 tails 150/158. Tomorrow looks good for a ding. Stoked

Good work Hilly, push then into the front of the box. Great foils mate I am sure you're going to love them as much as I do! Keep us posted.

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Scotty Mac said..
Good work Hilly, push then into the front of the box. Great foils mate I am sure you're going to love them as much as I do! Keep us posted.

Yep on to that have demoed them

They have been smart with the hole placement allowing a lot of movement it the box.

nice one @hilly, I converted recently and have 720/850/980, I'm 98kg and have the same board. I only use the 850s/150/small fuse and 85 mast for ding, if you're at the train this week I'll give you a race. I've managed 23.5kn on the 980, 24kn on the 850s so far but it definitely has more to give if you're willing to push it!

Yep, great foil. I (90kg) have the 980s and 850s for DW SUP in Perth. I have the 75 mast and 150 stab, I bought the large fuse too for DW. They both have great low end for their size. Turn really nicely and I love the glide, especially if you ride high on the mast. I haven't tried any R series yet as I didn't think they would be my flavour, but I'm sure I'll give them a crack soon. I have tried some other protos and have been impressed with the feel too.
Really happy with moving to Code. The S series has really ticked the glide/carve ratio for me. Good range and great handling too. Great work from the Code team.

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noepoxy said..
nice one @hilly, I converted recently and have 720/850/980, I'm 98kg and have the same board. I only use the 850s/150/small fuse and 85 mast for ding, if you're at the train this week I'll give you a race. I've managed 23.5kn on the 980, 24kn on the 850s so far but it definitely has more to give if you're willing to push it!

The Train??
Had two dings on the 980 with the 150 tail. It is a sweet ride. Love the quality of the covers and the carbon layup.
Only thing I am not loving is the front screw loosening off and not being able to easily separate mast from fuse. Any tips for my first world problems

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noepoxy said..
nice one @hilly, I converted recently and have 720/850/980, I'm 98kg and have the same board. I only use the 850s/150/small fuse and 85 mast for ding, if you're at the train this week I'll give you a race. I've managed 23.5kn on the 980, 24kn on the 850s so far but it definitely has more to give if you're willing to push it!

The Train??
Had two dings on the 980 with the 150 tail. It is a sweet ride. Love the quality of the covers and the carbon layup.
Only thing I am not loving is the front screw loosening off and not being able to easily separate mast from fuse. Any tips for my first world problems

The train = Mitchell park boat ramp.

Yep, my front screws come loose too, it would be good to have a torque setting from Code so we know how hard to tighten them. I've cranked mine really hard but no joy, might try plumbers tape. My sabfoil use to do the same.

I use my gofoil mallet on my 85cm mast, I don't have the same problem with my 75cm mast.

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hilly said..

noepoxy said..
nice one @hilly, I converted recently and have 720/850/980, I'm 98kg and have the same board. I only use the 850s/150/small fuse and 85 mast for ding, if you're at the train this week I'll give you a race. I've managed 23.5kn on the 980, 24kn on the 850s so far but it definitely has more to give if you're willing to push it!

The Train??
Had two dings on the 980 with the 150 tail. It is a sweet ride. Love the quality of the covers and the carbon layup.
Only thing I am not loving is the front screw loosening off and not being able to easily separate mast from fuse. Any tips for my first world problems

The train = Mitchell park boat ramp.

Yep, my front screws come loose too, it would be good to have a torque setting from Code so we know how hard to tighten them. I've cranked mine really hard but no joy, might try plumbers tape. My sabfoil use to do the same.

I use my gofoil mallet on my 85cm mast, I don't have the same problem with my 75cm mast.

Not a flat water rider. Been out at the spit, Broadbeach to Currumbin dw and fingal head so far. Will downwind with Piros tomorrow. Welcome to join us.

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noepoxy said..
nice one @hilly, I converted recently and have 720/850/980, I'm 98kg and have the same board. I only use the 850s/150/small fuse and 85 mast for ding, if you're at the train this week I'll give you a race. I've managed 23.5kn on the 980, 24kn on the 850s so far but it definitely has more to give if you're willing to push it!

The Train??
Had two dings on the 980 with the 150 tail. It is a sweet ride. Love the quality of the covers and the carbon layup.
Only thing I am not loving is the front screw loosening off and not being able to easily separate mast from fuse. Any tips for my first world problems

I haven't had any front screw issues. I found a bit of candle wax rubbed on the surfaces that come in contact of the mast and fuse made it feel much smoother to take off. Hope this helps.

The loose screw issue is not them coming loose but it's the fuse pushing onto the mast tighter during use . The design is a press fit . It used to happen on my 85 but not the 75 . Benny had a close look at mine and I simply wasn't nipping it up all the way . It was also super hard to get off but not so much now .

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Piros said..
The loose screw issue is not them coming loose but it's the fuse pushing onto the mast tighter during use . The design is a press fit . It used to happen on my 85 but not the 75 . Benny had a close look at mine and I simply wasn't nipping it up all the way . It was also super hard to get off but not so much now .

Right, come to think of it I don't have the problem with my 75cm mast, only 85. I actually assemble with mast off the board and put most of my weight on front wing to seat it down on the mast, so it can't go any further, but it obviously does under load during use, the question is now how to fix?

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hilly said..

noepoxy said..

hilly said..

noepoxy said..
nice one @hilly, I converted recently and have 720/850/980, I'm 98kg and have the same board. I only use the 850s/150/small fuse and 85 mast for ding, if you're at the train this week I'll give you a race. I've managed 23.5kn on the 980, 24kn on the 850s so far but it definitely has more to give if you're willing to push it!

The Train??
Had two dings on the 980 with the 150 tail. It is a sweet ride. Love the quality of the covers and the carbon layup.
Only thing I am not loving is the front screw loosening off and not being able to easily separate mast from fuse. Any tips for my first world problems

The train = Mitchell park boat ramp.

Yep, my front screws come loose too, it would be good to have a torque setting from Code so we know how hard to tighten them. I've cranked mine really hard but no joy, might try plumbers tape. My sabfoil use to do the same.

I use my gofoil mallet on my 85cm mast, I don't have the same problem with my 75cm mast.

Not a flat water rider. Been out at the spit, Broadbeach to Currumbin dw and fingal head so far. Will downwind with Piros tomorrow. Welcome to join us.

Looking forward to watching the video of that please Rob

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noepoxy said..

Yep, my front screws come loose too, it would be good to have a torque setting from Code so we know how hard to tighten them. I've cranked mine really hard but no joy, might try plumbers tape. My sabfoil use to do the same.

I use my gofoil mallet on my 85cm mast, I don't have the same problem with my 75cm mast.

Most brands have the same issue (except lift and Go Foil), Axis was the worst offender from my experience. If the threaded mast insert is stainless or even brass you can use blue loktite though that doesn't work if you need to take it apart each session (really needs 24 hours to cure). Over time the carbon to carbon interface wears and it'll seat completely until it ultimately gets sloppy. Then paint a coat of epoxy on the mast foot and start over...

This stuff just shouldn't ever be taken apart. Use the TME method, epoxy it all together!

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GWatto said.Looking forward be to watching the video of that please Rob

Lots of crashes and kooky riding today. Unfortunately he documented it on film.

Best run with Hilly today , he killed it staying close to the camera way harder than it looks . Such a fun run and both of us on the 980s . Just such a sick foil . ?feature=shared

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Piros said..
Best run with Hilly today , he killed it staying close to the camera way harder than it looks . Such a fun run and both of us on the 980s . Just such a sick foil .

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What no crashes ??

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Piros said..
Best run with Hilly today , he killed it staying close to the camera way harder than it looks . Such a fun run and both of us on the 980s . Just such a sick foil .

He is an ex-kiter, cameras are like honey too bees

Looks like a fun session, unfortunately I have to work and not retired yet, so limited time to go during the week.

More importantly, how do I fix my screws coming loose on the 85cm mast?

As I mentioned above , it's not your screws coming loose . It's the fuse pushing on tighter when you use it. Just keep nipping up each screw small turn at a time to bring it down dead tight .

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Piros said..
As I mentioned above , it's not your screws coming loose . It's the fuse pushing on tighter when you use it. Just keep nipping up each screw small turn at a time to bring it down dead tight .

I use a ratchet tool to do up mine as the tiny tool that comes with the gear is hopeless. But it's so tight when I do mine up now I don't want to tighten even further for fear of stripping the mast inserts and voiding my warranty.

Can Code give a torque setting to tighten too?

There must be a better way to solve this as the 75cm mast doesn't do this.

To me, this would infer there's a problem with the 85cm masts as they don't seat as well as the 75cm mast, and it's not just me having this problem.

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Piros said..Just keep nipping up each screw small turn at a time to bring it down dead tight .

I did this on second use yesterday and it solved the issue. Screw was tight after 30km run and the fuse separated much easier.

I've spoken to James , Mark & Ben re this . Some of the 85 mast just have some extra clear coat on it making them tighter and it will wear off like mine and Hilly's has or just rub a little candle wax on it or give it a slight rub with wet n dry.

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noepoxy said..

I use a ratchet tool to do up mine as the tiny tool that comes with the gear is hopeless. But it's so tight when I do mine up now I don't want to tighten even further for fear of stripping the mast inserts and voiding my warranty.

Can Code give a torque setting to tighten too?

There must be a better way to solve this as the 75cm mast doesn't do this.

To me, this would infer there's a problem with the 85cm masts as they don't seat as well as the 75cm mast, and it's not just me having this problem.

Windy session on the 850. In and out not dw. 158 tail was a bit slower but that was good in the beachie waves. Turned very nicely. Will try the 150 next time.