Many crew getting surf safes installed in northern NSW? Would be worthwhile i reckon

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Ctngoodvibes said..
Many crew getting surf safes installed in northern NSW? Would be worthwhile i reckon

in my dealings ive been waiting for a shipment to surffx from sic.

I have a f 16 coming. a 16 fter with lots of rocker which is what I want.

dc has a surf safe unit waiting for me to be fitted to that board.

its a board in sure ill keep as my unlimited board.

the board im most like to be doing the longer ocean runs on

and more likely to be using if I venture down the tweed coast which always seems to be more 'alive' than the goldie

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laceys lane said..
1 expect the gov to do more than they have. Which is nets and drum lines.

Theres a lot they could do. Now they are playing catch up.

Australians love there ocean. Thats a good enough reason for them to get cracking on some solutions - ie effective deterrents
The gov have taken away our right to protect ourselves from sharks by protecting them.
So it their obligation to protect us

Nets and drum lines will kill more sharks. NOW the government is just finding out that they have been killing sharks for years, decades and it has made no difference to attack numbers. They have talked with other countries that culled and found the same result. They don't know what to do currently but are starting to realise what they are/have been doing is not working, and could be making the problem worse.

I don't expect that answer to be popular but its the truth. Kill Tigers and Great Whites and watch Bull shark numbers explode to fill the gap.

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Ctngoodvibes said..
What's happened to the WA attacks? Seem to have suddenly stopped after Colin stopped baiting em

see the drums worked

,now I'm sounding like the spin doctor JB.

Captain they have found a link between water temp increases in WA during the period of attacks we had in WA. Currently the same water temp anomaly is occurring in Northern NSW. Its also happening in California and they have had an increase in attacks their also. Its linked somehow to El nino and water temps changing across the top of Australia. What the belief is that the sharks have always been in the waters, but something has changed either in the sharks eating habits or the habits of the sharks normal food source. Either way its a link that has been established and now is being studied.

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SP said..
This one doesn't scare me as much as the others.

Surfing at 6.30pm, alone, near a river mouth. lots of rain lately and bait fish around.

It is when an attack is likely to happen. Whites and attacks in the middle of the day worry me more then what you'd call a typical east coast shark attack by a bull shark .

It is horrible luck and i hope the bloke recovers quick and witout lasting injuries.

Culling in this case IMO is ridiculous, like to see someone try to kill all the bull sharks around Ballina, would take a lifetime and never probably get the one you are after and if you did get the one you want then another one will just take it's place. The only real solution that will keep everyone happy is deterrents or barriers.

I see they say they will have nets deployed before xmas.

A question i have is how dark was it though? 6:30 and with Day light saving , i would have thought not that dark TBH..

The nets they are talking about rushing in are Eco Barriers for swimmings i think you'll find.

I also read there had been a Bull shark warning at the same beach that late morning.

In those conditions if the surf is that good, why not just have a allrounder goto board with a device installed

Lets hope he makes a full recovery, or as best you can after such a horrific event

Heaps of light at that time of the day JB and those guys go through boards like Lacey a new one every couple of weeks.

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jbshack said...

laceys lane said..
1 expect the gov to do more than they have. Which is nets and drum lines.

Theres a lot they could do. Now they are playing catch up.

Australians love there ocean. Thats a good enough reason for them to get cracking on some solutions - ie effective deterrents
The gov have taken away our right to protect ourselves from sharks by protecting them.
So it their obligation to protect us

Nets and drum lines will kill more sharks. NOW the government is just finding out that they have been killing sharks for years, decades and it has made no difference to attack numbers. They have talked with other countries that culled and found the same result. They don't know what to do currently but are starting to realise what they are/have been doing is not working, and could be making the problem worse.

I don't expect that answer to be popular but its the truth. Kill Tigers and Great Whites and watch Bull shark numbers explode to fill the gap.

Still not many attacks in qld. Fact

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jbshack said...

laceys lane said..
1 expect the gov to do more than they have. Which is nets and drum lines.

Theres a lot they could do. Now they are playing catch up.

Australians love there ocean. Thats a good enough reason for them to get cracking on some solutions - ie effective deterrents
The gov have taken away our right to protect ourselves from sharks by protecting them.
So it their obligation to protect us

Nets and drum lines will kill more sharks. NOW the government is just finding out that they have been killing sharks for years, decades and it has made no difference to attack numbers. They have talked with other countries that culled and found the same result. They don't know what to do currently but are starting to realise what they are/have been doing is not working, and could be making the problem worse.

I don't expect that answer to be popular but its the truth. Kill Tigers and Great Whites and watch Bull shark numbers explode to fill the gap.

Still no many attacks in qld. Fact

Whats the water temp like around Byron Bay area at the moment?

Funny Byron's water is always cooler than ours so Byron is cool

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Macaha said..
Funny Byron's water is always cooler than ours so Byron is cool

I think thats why they get more attacks and sightings. GWS like cold water not warm. But also thats not always the case.

Its just a load of political BS, that is the way things are now. Political correctness over ruling common sense. Like with the Coal seam mining (Frac), they're commencing an assessment to determine if the process is detrimental to the environment when there is already overwhelming evidence of the damage it does.

The government wants to appear that it is doing something to appease the people so that when asked what is being done they have an answer. Even if that answer is an absolute ridiculous waste of money. Not only does their plan to implement a barrier cost a huge amount of money (16 mill), it will then cost a great deal of money to maintain that barrier....the stepped up aerial patrols only cover the summer period which historically is not the problem time for great whites which according to "experts" follow whale migration which is not over summer. However the problem here is not only great whites.

Research has shown that previous beliefs of sharks constantly migrating is not true & arguments have been made that removing sharks hanging around is a waste of time because it was previously thought that they did not. Clearly this is no longer true & great whites are obviously no longer endangered either.

For me the answer is simple. Bull sharks are not protected, so there is nothing stopping people from trying to remove the big ones hanging close to shore. Great whites remain protected & this needs to be assessed. They were originally protected based on fisherman reporting they were not seeing them as often. The fisherman were listened to then, why are they not being listened to now We need to ask why are great whites protected now

Just cull a few of the big buggers hanging around & hopefully the death scent will send the others away. Surely trialling this would make far more sense, cost far less money & have far greater coverage than just a few select beaches.

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jbshack said...

laceys lane said..
1 expect the gov to do more than they have. Which is nets and drum lines.

Theres a lot they could do. Now they are playing catch up.

Australians love there ocean. Thats a good enough reason for them to get cracking on some solutions - ie effective deterrents
The gov have taken away our right to protect ourselves from sharks by protecting them.
So it their obligation to protect us

Nets and drum lines will kill more sharks. NOW the government is just finding out that they have been killing sharks for years, decades and it has made no difference to attack numbers. They have talked with other countries that culled and found the same result. They don't know what to do currently but are starting to realise what they are/have been doing is not working, and could be making the problem worse.

I don't expect that answer to be popular but its the truth. Kill Tigers and Great Whites and watch Bull shark numbers explode to fill the gap.

Still not many attacks in qld. Fact

I believe thats more a point of difference in area thats all. Further up the coast. For instance we didn't have a spike in attacks in Geraldton for instance, they also had no nets or drums either.

Also comments have been made regarding the Ballina area being the furthest Eastern point, so hence meaning the sharks will normally migrate to that point following the whales. As i said the belief is they have always been their, but just with the water temp change has created a "Change" somehow in either their feeding or their food source possibly.

You could argue attacks are relatively low in Vic for instance, compare that they have no nets or drums? SO why are the sharks not having a field day down there. The culling program of nets and drums is just to thin out numbers. Its been working away in the back ground thinning out numbers for years and still we are having attacks. In some places more so then others. There has to some correlation.

Bull sharks scare me, I've read too many reports of were heavy culling has taken place, Bull sharks are causing havoc, more than the original problem.

Can i say one more point though, just because I'm against culling sharks doesn't make me a greenie, i have studied and listened to people who are educated in the field and i have made a rational opinion based on my now safety.. Thats all.

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MickPC said..

Just cull a few of the big buggers hanging around & hopefully the death scent will send the others away. Surely trialling this would make far more sense, cost far less money & have far greater coverage than just a few select beaches.

Mick its not the big ones doing the damage in Northern NSW though

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SP said..
This one doesn't scare me as much as the others.

Surfing at 6.30pm, alone, near a river mouth. lots of rain lately and bait fish around.

It is when an attack is likely to happen. Whites and attacks in the middle of the day worry me more then what you'd call a typical east coast shark attack by a bull shark .

It is horrible luck and i hope the bloke recovers quick and witout lasting injuries.

Culling in this case IMO is ridiculous, like to see someone try to kill all the bull sharks around Ballina, would take a lifetime and never probably get the one you are after and if you did get the one you want then another one will just take it's place. The only real solution that will keep everyone happy is deterrents or barriers.

I see they say they will have nets deployed before xmas.

A question i have is how dark was it though? 6:30 and with Day light saving , i would have thought not that dark TBH..

The nets they are talking about rushing in are Eco Barriers for swimmings i think you'll find.

I also read there had been a Bull shark warning at the same beach that late morning.

In those conditions if the surf is that good, why not just have a allrounder goto board with a device installed

Lets hope he makes a full recovery, or as best you can after such a horrific event

Sunset is about 7.15pm so I'd call it dusk, hour and half before the top of the tide too.

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MickPC said..

Just cull a few of the big buggers hanging around & hopefully the death scent will send the others away. Surely trialling this would make far more sense, cost far less money & have far greater coverage than just a few select beaches.

Mick its not the big ones doing the damage in Northern NSW though

Firstly JB, just for the record I didn't red thumb you, I reply with words if I disagree with something if I care enough...

You've selected a small portion of what I wrote to focus on, I find this typical of those against "THE CULL". I suspect your beliefs are wearing down & your close to waking the fark up from the absolute stupidity that has been cr@pped on into your mind. I'm not just talking about Northern NSW mate. The protection of great whites is a national/global problem that needs to be addressed. For far too long people have been listening to those who benefit financially from the study of great whites who have been recommending more study ie more money for them over doing something when people are farking dieing & being seriously injured.....think about that for a moment...

Again.


if a shark hangs around and bothers people.

Its got to go.

Thats not like the clubbles chasing off a shark.

But if the shark that keeps coming back. Bang

Thats not a cull. That just sensible.

Something that went out the window years ago.

If that had happen down in tassie this year that diver wouldnt be dead because thats what it did for a week- hassle people.

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laceys lane said..
Again.


if a shark hangs around and bothers people.

Its got to go.

Thats not like the clubbles chasing off a shark.

But if the shark that keeps coming back. Bang

Thats not a cull. That just sensible.

Something that went out the window years ago .

If that had happen down in tassie this year that diver wouldnt be dead because thats what it did for a week- hassle people.

I agree with you on that mate serial pests stalking surfers could be culled, but random culling I dont think so I would love to know how many GWS they get on the drum lines on the Goldie

I disagree with any systematic removal of sharks.


However, I recently read a book called "The Unnatural History of the Sea". He does a meta analysis of reports going back a thousand years as he looks at the collapse of fishery after fishery. One of the interesting things is it appears all Sharks were bigger and more numerous many years ago. A six metre white would have been relatively small. Ten metres was not uncommon. This based on many anecdotal observations of sailors in old sailing boats. Through the removal of the largest sharks over several centuries we have reduced their numbers markedly, and stunted the population. Sailors who fell in the water a half Millenia ago were frequently eaten quick.

So it's safer than what it was, but is perhaps less safe than thirty years ago when it was a free for all.

Interestingly, he talks about how, as fisheries decline, people adjust to a new normal. The "when I was a kid there were more fish" thing. Not that it's inaccurate, but that they were already drastically altered fisheries.

So, yes, killing them all in an area does reduce the problem for a while, but he also comments on the spillover from unfished areas. It wouldn't just be enough to man the Ballina wall. To really make a difference the cull would have to extend for tens, possibly 100 of kms.

Anyway, leave them alone. If you live in a sharky area, surf smart.

In the ballina that would mean don't surf.

Do what everyone else is doing.
Make your way to the goldie

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laceys lane said..
Boofy its 'the scent of death on the nets ' that keeps us safe

Like that one

Ha Ha love it mate You know I am shiz scared of the fkrs

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thedrip said..
I disagree with any systematic removal of sharks.


However, I recently read a book called "The Unnatural History of the Sea". He does a meta analysis of reports going back a thousand years as he looks at the collapse of fishery after fishery. One of the interesting things is it appears all Sharks were bigger and more numerous many years ago. A six metre white would have been relatively small. Ten metres was not uncommon. This based on many anecdotal observations of sailors in old sailing boats. Through the removal of the largest sharks over several centuries we have reduced their numbers markedly, and stunted the population. Sailors who fell in the water a half Millenia ago were frequently eaten quick.

So it's safer than what it was, but is perhaps less safe than thirty years ago when it was a free for all.

Interestingly, he talks about how, as fisheries decline, people adjust to a new normal. The "when I was a kid there were more fish" thing. Not that it's inaccurate, but that they were already drastically altered fisheries.

So, yes, killing them all in an area does reduce the problem for a while, but he also comments on the spillover from unfished areas. It wouldn't just be enough to man the Ballina wall. To really make a difference the cull would have to extend for tens, possibly 100 of kms.

Anyway, leave them alone. If you live in a sharky area, surf smart.

Great post mate I can almost smell the fear in Laceys shark posts Surfing ,diving etc is a luxury , its a calculated risk

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thedrip said..
I disagree with any systematic removal of sharks.


However, I recently read a book called "The Unnatural History of the Sea". He does a meta analysis of reports going back a thousand years as he looks at the collapse of fishery after fishery. One of the interesting things is it appears all Sharks were bigger and more numerous many years ago. A six metre white would have been relatively small. Ten metres was not uncommon. This based on many anecdotal observations of sailors in old sailing boats. Through the removal of the largest sharks over several centuries we have reduced their numbers markedly, and stunted the population. Sailors who fell in the water a half Millenia ago were frequently eaten quick.

So it's safer than what it was, but is perhaps less safe than thirty years ago when it was a free for all.

Interestingly, he talks about how, as fisheries decline, people adjust to a new normal. The "when I was a kid there were more fish" thing. Not that it's inaccurate, but that they were already drastically altered fisheries.

So, yes, killing them all in an area does reduce the problem for a while, but he also comments on the spillover from unfished areas. It wouldn't just be enough to man the Ballina wall. To really make a difference the cull would have to extend for tens, possibly 100 of kms.

Anyway, leave them alone. If you live in a sharky area, surf smart.

The abundance of marine life described by fifteenth century seafarers is almost unimaginable today, but Roberts both brings it alive and artfully traces its depletion. Collapsing fisheries, he shows, are simply the latest chapter in a long history of unfettered commercialization of the seas. The story does not end with an empty ocean. Instead, Roberts describes how we might restore the splendor and prosperity of the seas through smarter management of our resources and some simple restraint. From the coasts of Florida to New Zealand, marine reserves have fostered spectacular recovery of plants and animals to levels not seen in a century. They prove that history need not repeat itself: we can leave the oceans richer than we found them.

Hey Doggie - you missed the opening piece from Amazon

As Callum M. Roberts reveals in THE UNNATURAL HISTORY OF THE SEA, the oceans' bounty didn't disappear overnight. While today's fishing industry is ruthlessly efficient, intense exploitation began not in the modern era, or even with the dawn of industrialization, but in the 11th century in medieval Europe. Roberts explores this long and colorful history of commercial fishing, taking readers around the world and through the centuries to witness the transformation of the seas.Drawing on firsthand accounts of early explorers, pirates, merchants, fishers, and travelers, the book recreates the oceans of the past: waters teeming with whales, sea lions, sea otters, turtles, and giant fish.

No offence to anyone.
But why do threads like this turn into who's got the highest iq competitions

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Ted the Kiwi said..
Hey Doggie - you missed the opening piece from Amazon

As Callum M. Roberts reveals in THE UNNATURAL HISTORY OF THE SEA, the oceans' bounty didn't disappear overnight. While today's fishing industry is ruthlessly efficient, intense exploitation began not in the modern era, or even with the dawn of industrialization, but in the 11th century in medieval Europe. Roberts explores this long and colorful history of commercial fishing, taking readers around the world and through the centuries to witness the transformation of the seas.Drawing on firsthand accounts of early explorers, pirates, merchants, fishers, and travelers, the book recreates the oceans of the past: waters teeming with whales, sea lions, sea otters, turtles, and giant fish.

Yup saw that but I just liked the bit I posted. I just tried to down load it but it didnt work.

Ive got a theory we have always surfed pretty close to shore surfing the occasional reef break out a bit wide. I think all these attacks in the last few years correlates with the emergence and popularity of the downwind Suppers splashing and falling off their boards out wide attracting the attention of the GWS and bringing them in from the depths

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laceys lane said..
No offence to anyone.
But why do threads like this turn into who's got the highest iq competitions

Its not but the guys from WA have been going through this for the last 15 years, I guess you put a lot of thought into it after time.

My views have changed a bit but an all out cull Im dead against lifting the endangered listing, well I'm open to that. At the end of the day its an opinion and on this forum it means jack sh!t

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boofy said..
Ive got a theory we have always surfed pretty close to shore surfing the occasional reef break out a bit wide. I think all these attacks in the last few years correlates with the emergence and popularity of the downwind Suppers splashing and falling off their boards out wide attracting the attention of the GWS and bringing them in from the depths

Yea they have only happened after SUPs got popular

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DARTH said..

laceys lane said..
No offence to anyone.
But why do threads like this turn into who's got the highest iq competitions

Its not but the guys from WA have been going through this for the last 15 years, I guess you put a lot of thought into it after time.

My views have changed a bit but an all out cull Im dead against lifting the endangered listing, well I'm open to that. At the end of the day its an opinion and on this forum it means jack sh!t

Yep I agree mate the out and out cull is a farked idea I have been a spearfisherman, fisher hunter all my life. Im no greenie Maybe sell tags for gamefisherman to catch GWS again up and down The coast for a couple of years people will pay to target them for sure put the money back into research

LL - I wrote you a long response on the ferry this morning on the way in to the big smoke but sadly i lost it and ran out of time to re-type it in. Anyway the jist of what I was trying to say was that across Australia there has been a move to create more resilient societies in recent years. In essence the thought process behind this stems from the reality that Govt can not afford to be there at all times for all people. Its just impossible. So instead there is a shift towards shared responsibility - where governments, communities, businesses and individuals work together for the betterment of all - it can not just be the sole responsibility of govt to provide these services - we need to work together to achieve this. I can not disagree with this sentiment. But this will be an evolving process. It will not happen over night.

So how does this all fit in for us as surfers? Well i think its pretty straight forward.There will never be aeril beach monitoring or shark nets across all beaches on the east coast. Fact and reality. As SP said - choose where and when you surf. Take some precautions - as you are trying to doing with your surfsafe. People who use the excuse that they can not afford a surfsafe with every new board may need to think through that defence - how cheap is your life? How often do you really need a new board? Why can they not produce a multi board surfsafe? Maybe they need some investment to help with the technology change? Get on the phone and have a chat - maybe there is an opportunity to be safer and share in the bounty. Adaptation is an interesting word that is often battered round - we do it all the time in other parts of our lives - why not surfing? Maybe regulation is needed? It works well in some parts of our lives - maybe we need some form of policy response to change behaviour? Think about how demerit points and large fines influence driver behaviour re seat belts. But other times - eg mobile phones (how often do you still see people texting and talking on phones while driving - despite the laws) - these types of policy responses do not seem to work all the time. Different strokes for different folks. I am not trying to endorse what the policy response should be here. Just pointing out that its very complicated and involved.

Life is about balance in the democracy that we live in - we do not want to be told what to do - and at other times it seems if we are not told we would never (generalisation I know) as society do it. Other times a joint response where the community is involved in the decision making process is warranted and needs to be explored. We also need to realise that other people see risks very different to you and me. Risk communication and perception is one crazy space to work in I tell ya. But as a builder you see this everyday. On one hand you are balancing regulation against clients demands against your profit margin. An interesting balancing act. And lets not forget about the fact that some people do not really care about the decisions you have make as a surfer to enter the water - when you could be doing something far more productive in their eyes. These types also have a voice. And lets not forget about the communities who are directly impacted - by either the loss of life of a special person close to them or a business suffering as a result of what seems like a step-change in the event set.

So what role does the Govt play here?

Is there room for balance? I believe so. Should we be involved in the discussion? Absolutely. Should we embrace change? I think we are silly if we do not (not all will agree with this though).

I believe that the Govt should be getting behind / embracing some of these ideas about fending off the big evil that is annoying us. But lets do it sensibly. Lets not rush in and do something really harsh. Lets think about all the options and make some decent decisions based on fact and not emotion. And whilst we are doing this lets try and not forget in-equality issues at the same time. There is room for lots of possible solutions - and perhaps the ultimate endgame might be a range of solutions. Govt has a big role to play - but we as individuals also need to play our part as well and take some responsibility.

Anyway enough of a rant.