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Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

Carefull CF, I dared to say that he Cjet had a better glass job than the Webber Diamond and that ruffled some feathers.

Not that I can add much to your observations because the only Aussie made boards I have are over 30 years old, and the Cjet was my first ever new board purchase, so my knowledge is limited.

But I would hazard a fair bot comes down to the blank used, it's density, impact resistance etc. and then the coating applied.

Is the 7'6 your Fitz board? That would be way disappointing.

I believe that hemp fibre and eco epoxy are proving to be much more durable along with biofoam blown from sugar cane or something else?

Maybe some of the die hard shapers and local manufacturers could weigh in with their knowledge and expertise?

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Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

Carefull CF, I dared to say that he Cjet had a better glass job than the Webber Diamond and that ruffled some feathers.

Not that I can add much to your observations because the only Aussie made boards I have are over 30 years old, and the Cjet was my first ever new board purchase, so my knowledge is limited.

But I would hazard a fair bot comes down to the blank used, it's density, impact resistance etc. and then the coating applied.

Is the 7'6 your Fitz board? That would be way disappointing.

I believe that hemp fibre and eco epoxy are proving to be much more durable along with biofoam blown from sugar cane or something else?

Maybe some of the die hard shapers and local manufacturers could weigh in with their knowledge and expertise?

Why do you believe?

I have a mate who i believe is pushing the boundaries and testing what is eco and how far can it go.

I don't agree with all what he says,but that is with most eco claims are bull**** much like shark deterrents..it is in the fine print. Eg firewire marketing themselves as a eco board builder . Yet shane just built a board out of 100%recycled plastic bottles that were turned in to a cloth. He uses blanks that are way too much for me bang my fingers all night ...but hey mr hydro, go look up rocket ace eco surfboards (he is on all social media platforms ) and learn some new things on what can and is being done

Cf the **** outta here mate you are just fishing now

The amount of ding repair people on the coast who will not deal with pop outs unless business is slow is in the many as the people who own them are generally entitled ****s,you know what I'm saying,like most new 666 people, so to even quote a repair for these people is painful ....my board cost this much why are you charging this much blah blah

Yes i have had local shapers make me some badly built boards and they will never get a cent or a good word from me again...

Yet i have boards that have been surfed a 1000 times and look better than the majority of pop outs out there that have been surfed 10 times

I know if steve del rosso from clearwater ever let a poor quality board go through the door he would rectify it immediately as i have seen it happen

Yet the number of complaints against the whorehouse are many for warranty and customer service

I bought a McCoy popout on your review elsewhere and it was one of the worse boards i have ever owned and trying to get the issue sorted was harder than changing internet providers and even then i was on the losing end

Hydro one thing in the whole shaping process, and the most important is the final sanding of the board...i know where my money is for getting it right

Edit. Cf why will people not design something that will last longer? What do you think is the reason ? I think there is so many different reasons why

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chrispy said..
Cf the **** outta here mate you are just fishing now.
I am asking a fair question and am not fishing so I don't get the telling me to "the ****outta here".

The amount of ding repair people on the coast who will not deal with pop outs unless business is slow is in the many as the people who own them are generally entitled ****s,you know what I'm saying,like most new 666 people, so to even quote a repair for these people is painful ....my board cost this much why are you charging this much blah blah

Yes i have had local shapers make me some badly built boards and they will never get a cent or a good word from me again...

Yet i have boards that have been surfed a 1000 times and look better than the majority of pop outs out there that have been surfed 10 times
Go back and read my post again as I didn't say anything about the majority of "pop outs"

I know if steve del rosso from clearwater ever let a poor quality board go through the door he would rectify it immediately as i have seen it happen

Yet the number of complaints against the whorehouse are many for warranty and customer service

I bought a McCoy popout on your review elsewhere and it was one of the worse boards i have ever owned and trying to get the issue sorted was harder than changing internet providers and even then i was on the losing end.
McCoys are not everyone's cup of tea and take time to get the hang of...just ask Geof McCoy.

Hydro one thing in the whole shaping process, and the most important is the final sanding of the board...i know where my money is for getting it right

Edit. Cf why will people not design something that will last longer? What do you think is the reason ? I think there is so many different reasons why
I already gave my thoughts on that...planned obsolesence is one reason I mentioned.
As stated I would like to see more Australian made boards made out of more durable materials. I'm not alone in this sentiment. It's why many choose to buy Firewire boards (for example) that are made in their fst and now Helium tech. I'm not a fan of their lft construction as its so similar to a Pu board in its durability.
We're living in such a technology rich age but surfboard tech is still firmly in the 60's.
I really like Gary McNeill's board tech and Dick Van Straalen's carbon fibre over eps boards for light, strong and great shapes.

I came back to change how i wrote things not what i wrote if that makes sense,but you beat me cf

On the **** outta here ,i did that as i would have done if i was replying to you as if we were having a beer together and getting into it so to speak...but hey that is the internet sometimes and **** does not always go as expected, or understood as the way we expect it to be understood ...my bad

Asking a fair question,it is if you think it is ,as i thought my response was

I was stating the majority of pop outs for what i was saying not what you said.

I like mccoys shapes, i just hated the pop out one as i stated because of the build quality and customer service. I didn't critisise the shape so ,im not sure on the confusion on that one


I am one who is fighting for a healthier planet and that is why i love people like my mate shane from rocket ace eco surfboards
but again my pu boards made a bit heavier than the epoxy popouts will still outlast them and a firewire...i have owned both boards ...shame josh dowling had to give it away because he was on my list...sorry just a mind wander


I also agree that we have so much tech that our materials should be way better...but surfing is a small industry and who has the money to keep spending on the what ifs...unlike how f1 car tech will always trickle down.

I know the crew at shapers are spending a big whack on finding out more,people like shane again and he is a one man passionate band...so like anything it comes down to money ...


But yeh and nah cf....i love everything you bring to the table about surfing, but the **** outta here im gonna agree with all of it

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Cf the **** outta here mate you are just fishing now

The amount of ding repair people on the coast who will not deal with pop outs unless business is slow is in the many as the people who own them are generally entitled ****s,you know what I'm saying,like most new 666 people, so to even quote a repair for these people is painful ....my board cost this much why are you charging this much blah blah

Yes i have had local shapers make me some badly built boards and they will never get a cent or a good word from me again...

Yet i have boards that have been surfed a 1000 times and look better than the majority of pop outs out there that have been surfed 10 times

I know if steve del rosso from clearwater ever let a poor quality board go through the door he would rectify it immediately as i have seen it happen

Yet the number of complaints against the whorehouse are many for warranty and customer service

I bought a McCoy popout on your review elsewhere and it was one of the worse boards i have ever owned and trying to get the issue sorted was harder than changing internet providers and even then i was on the losing end

Hydro one thing in the whole shaping process, and the most important is the final sanding of the board...i know where my money is for getting it right

Edit. Cf why will people not design something that will last longer? What do you think is the reason ? I think there is so many different reasons why

Firstly. Glad Steve from CW stands behind his product that strongly.

Secondly. Love your passion, but it seems you are getting pissy at CF for a genuine question?

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chrispy said..
I came back to change how i wrote things not what i wrote if that makes sense,but you beat me cf

On the **** outta here ,i did that as i would have done if i was replying to you as if we were having a beer together and getting into it so to speak...but hey that is the internet sometimes and **** does not always go as expected, or understood as the way we expect it to be understood ...my bad

Asking a fair question,it is if you think it is ,as i thought my response was

I was stating the majority of pop outs for what i was saying not what you said.

I like mccoys shapes, i just hated the pop out one as i stated because of the build quality and customer service. I didn't critisise the shape so ,im not sure on the confusion on that one


I am one who is fighting for a healthier planet and that is why i love people like my mate shane from rocket ace eco surfboards
but again my pu boards made a bit heavier than the epoxy popouts will still outlast them and a firewire...i have owned both boards ...shame josh dowling had to give it away because he was on my list...sorry just a mind wander


I also agree that we have so much tech that our materials should be way better...but surfing is a small industry and who has the money to keep spending on the what ifs...unlike how f1 car tech will always trickle down.

I know the crew at shapers are spending a big whack on finding out more,people like shane again and he is a one man passionate band...so like anything it comes down to money ...


But yeh and nah cf....i love everything you bring to the table about surfing, but the **** outta here im gonna agree with all of it

BTW my engineering field is hydrodynamics with a strong materials technology aspect in alloys and composites.

And regardless of all the man made petrochemical derived F1 inspired materials nature has already developed a superior product. i.e spider silk, one of the strongest materials that exists.

I wish you Eco mate all the best in his endeavours. I will look him up and bookmark for future reference.

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chrispy said..
I came back to change how i wrote things not what i wrote if that makes sense,but you beat me cf

On the **** outta here ,i did that as i would have done if i was replying to you as if we were having a beer together and getting into it so to speak...but hey that is the internet sometimes and **** does not always go as expected, or understood as the way we expect it to be understood ...my bad

Asking a fair question,it is if you think it is ,as i thought my response was

I was stating the majority of pop outs for what i was saying not what you said.

I like mccoys shapes, i just hated the pop out one as i stated because of the build quality and customer service. I didn't critisise the shape so ,im not sure on the confusion on that one


I am one who is fighting for a healthier planet and that is why i love people like my mate shane from rocket ace eco surfboards
but again my pu boards made a bit heavier than the epoxy popouts will still outlast them and a firewire...i have owned both boards ...shame josh dowling had to give it away because he was on my list...sorry just a mind wander


I also agree that we have so much tech that our materials should be way better...but surfing is a small industry and who has the money to keep spending on the what ifs...unlike how f1 car tech will always trickle down.

I know the crew at shapers are spending a big whack on finding out more,people like shane again and he is a one man passionate band...so like anything it comes down to money ...


But yeh and nah cf....i love everything you bring to the table about surfing, but the **** outta here im gonna agree with all of it

Rocket Ace makes some nice looking kit, and he surf skates

Gotta be an ok guy even if he knows you

Just being a cheeky prick ok, don't go getting salty on me.

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Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

Light is cool and fashionable but Light ain't strong.

In the end it's a piece of foam with a thin fibreglass skin, dents are inevitable. I just try and get them glassed heavyish and try to put them in covers to reduce dents.

Eps is a no for me. They are a sponge as soon as they crack or dent.



Interesting article on an alternative material.

www.swellnet.com/news/design-outline/2020/02/27/the-basalt-board-project-part-2

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SP said..

Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

Light is cool and fashionable but Light ain't strong.

In the end it's a piece of foam with a thin fibreglass skin, dents are inevitable. I just try and get them glassed heavyish and try to put them in covers to reduce dents.

Eps is a no for me. They are a sponge as soon as they crack or dent.



Interesting article on an alternative material.

www.swellnet.com/news/design-outline/2020/02/27/the-basalt-board-project-part-2

Not all fibreglass, resin, eps or PU is equal...****ty materials make boards that dont last as long...so does poor unqualified manufacturing

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Tux said..

SP said..

Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

Light is cool and fashionable but Light ain't strong.

In the end it's a piece of foam with a thin fibreglass skin, dents are inevitable. I just try and get them glassed heavyish and try to put them in covers to reduce dents.

Eps is a no for me. They are a sponge as soon as they crack or dent.



Interesting article on an alternative material.

www.swellnet.com/news/design-outline/2020/02/27/the-basalt-board-project-part-2

Not all fibreglass, resin, eps or PU is equal...****ty materials make boards that dont last as long...so does poor unqualified manufacturing

**** yeah.. Eg. Only imported board I ever bought was made OS with Aussie materials and the blank was soft and glass job weak.
Terrible quality compared to say a rhino or North Coast glass job.

Personally I'm happy to pay extra for quality made boards cause I think they outlast the cheaper options. I want the boards I like to last so getting good quality means they last longer.

Got me buggered why people want light LBs or mid lengths anyway . A little bit extra weight isn't going to change how it performs enough to notice.

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Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

Light is cool and fashionable but Light ain't strong.

In the end it's a piece of foam with a thin fibreglass skin, dents are inevitable. I just try and get them glassed heavyish and try to put them in covers to reduce dents.

Eps is a no for me. They are a sponge as soon as they crack or dent.



Interesting article on an alternative material.

www.swellnet.com/news/design-outline/2020/02/27/the-basalt-board-project-part-2

Thanks for the link. I'd read part 1 when it first came out. Very positive.

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Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

The universe is telling you your grommet days are long gone and not to ride a 6"2, what are you thinking young man?

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onefin said..

Cuttlefish said..
There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.

The universe is telling you your grommet days are long gone and not to ride a 6"2, what are you thinking young man?

It's worse than that. It's actually only 6'1&1/2"s. It's just for the odd day when i still delude myself I can still throw some spray on a shorter board.

For those quadruple knee high day days?, you're a ripper I have seen plenty of spray flying when you get your Bondi bronzed Aussie mojo on

I'm not sure if it s been mentioned in this thread before, but was told Global Surf Industries are pulling out of AUS, they are getting smashed by SBW, what comes around goes around !

No winners in a race to the bottom.

Been a few stories about sbw.
One is the supplier took over because sbw couldnt meet the sell quotas.
Weve all seen the endless sales.
.
Another is a massive upgrade in range. And in price range.

Also they are stocking takuma e foils.
They are like $10,000 plus. And their range of foils and wing dings.
None of that stuff is cheap

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SP said..
No winners in a race to the bottom.

Not a truer word spoken.

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laceys lane said..
Been a few stories about sbw.
One is the supplier took over because sbw couldnt meet the sell quotas.
Weve all seen the endless sales.
.
Another is a massive upgrade in range. And in price range.

Also they are stocking takuma e foils.
They are like $10,000 plus. And their range of foils and wing dings.
None of that stuff is cheap

SBW are no different than other retail industries ,selling low priced products, they only survive on volume sales due to low margins.
The dollar is down to 65 cent so a price increase must be on the cards if it has not already happened.

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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..
Been a few stories about sbw.
One is the supplier took over because sbw couldnt meet the sell quotas.
Weve all seen the endless sales.
.
Another is a massive upgrade in range. And in price range.

Also they are stocking takuma e foils.
They are like $10,000 plus. And their range of foils and wing dings.
None of that stuff is cheap

SBW are no different than other retail industries ,selling low priced products, they only survive on volume sales due to low margins.
The dollar is down to 65 cent so a price increase must be on the cards if it has not already happened.

So you thought about that all night

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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..

laceys lane said..
Been a few stories about sbw.
One is the supplier took over because sbw couldnt meet the sell quotas.
Weve all seen the endless sales.
.
Another is a massive upgrade in range. And in price range.

Also they are stocking takuma e foils.
They are like $10,000 plus. And their range of foils and wing dings.
None of that stuff is cheap

SBW are no different than other retail industries ,selling low priced products, they only survive on volume sales due to low margins.
The dollar is down to 65 cent so a price increase must be on the cards if it has not already happened.

So you thought about that all night

All week

You guys have all missed the point of what SBWH brings to the market.

Choice and opportunity.

And here is what I find interesting.

You all bang on about kooks in the lineup on their SBWH boards, you all get pissy about them being out their having a crack at it on sub standard, environmentally unfriendly, race to the bottom POS boards stealing waves.

And you all bang on about them and other similar marketing models and brands killing the local industry.

You want all the waves to yourselves and whinge about the influx of new kooks but then whine about them not buying Aussie made.

When you should embrace them in the lineup, encourage them to progress and improve, to discern what they need to improve and to steer them towards opportunity for local shapers.

These boards are an untapped gold mine for local shapers, they are entry level priced with reasonable performance or bang for their buck. They engage people who otherwise might not enter the sport to do so by being so cost effective, it provides that opportunity to them.

This expands the upcoming market of surfers who once they have defined their style and taste will then demand better boards, and guess what? If pop out boards are as bad as you all claim and not up to the demands of the users then they will shop for something that will specifically meet their needs.

You can't have it all, you can't whine about all the kooks but then demand all the business, you can't demand all the waves and have a ****e attitude in the lineup because that will reflect on the "brands" that you ride.

People are gonna see a a bunch of crusty old grumpy turds on their shiny locally made bling boards hogging all the waves, and they are gonna see packs of kooks on their pop outs in the lineups having a blast.

Who do you think they will look at? Who's branding will they see most?

Embrace the kook, ask him or her questions about their ride, share your knowledge and wisdom and educate them in the lineup, inspire and encourage them to look to the amazing benefits of a custom board or one that is Aussie made.

I do that every surf, I make sure I strike up a convo about someones ride, what they are riding, size guessing, hows it ride? Where did they get it? Why that style or brand? How does it ride for them? etc... Never once has anyone told me to shut the hell up and F off when it comes to talking about their ride, everyone who know anything loves to talk rides. And if you hit a kook who basically says "dunno it was cheap", bam gold mine. Give them some tips, show them your ride, compare it to theirs etc.

Do that and it will have a greater effect on the Oz board making scene than any whining, word of mouth and genuine references will beat any slick marketing campaign by any board maker. Otherwise why would so much emphasis be placed on testimonials?

Because surfing and board performance is subjective, and if so and so is riding one and says they are great then it must be true.

Opportunities guys, opportunities.

Hey buddy ive got 3 sbw boards

I Almost died reading that heh maybe next time short and simple might help get your point across better without all the blah blah blah nonsense

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laceys lane said..
Hey buddy ive got 3 sbw boards

Yep. I've got three too.

And they are great boards. They perform well, although the finish is a bit how you doing.

But one I bought in desperation on the Goldie when I wanted a cheapie, another is a SUP which I wanted to cheap to suss out this SUP thing, and the last one is a mid-length was leave on the Sunshine Coast. The Goldie one is one of my all time favourite boards.

Still reckon customs are worth every cent. Especially when they are cheaper than Pyzels et al....

Hey buddy my mate owns 3 SBW boards.

And it's a shame this thread is so about SBW bashing.

It seems a lot of good boards get bagged by the forum police because they come from SBW, yet if they are imported but have....ooooo....something like a Takyama logo on them then they are okay.

What other imported brands are deemed acceptable by the forum police?

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You guys have all missed the point of what SBWH brings to the market.

Choice and opportunity.

And here is what I find interesting.

You all bang on about kooks in the lineup on their SBWH boards, you all get pissy about them being out their having a crack at it on sub standard, environmentally unfriendly, race to the bottom POS boards stealing waves.

And you all bang on about them and other similar marketing models and brands killing the local industry.

You want all the waves to yourselves and whinge about the influx of new kooks but then whine about them not buying Aussie made.

When you should embrace them in the lineup, encourage them to progress and improve, to discern what they need to improve and to steer them towards opportunity for local shapers.

These boards are an untapped gold mine for local shapers, they are entry level priced with reasonable performance or bang for their buck. They engage people who otherwise might not enter the sport to do so by being so cost effective, it provides that opportunity to them.

This expands the upcoming market of surfers who once they have defined their style and taste will then demand better boards, and guess what? If pop out boards are as bad as you all claim and not up to the demands of the users then they will shop for something that will specifically meet their needs.

You can't have it all, you can't whine about all the kooks but then demand all the business, you can't demand all the waves and have a ****e attitude in the lineup because that will reflect on the "brands" that you ride.

People are gonna see a a bunch of crusty old grumpy turds on their shiny locally made bling boards hogging all the waves, and they are gonna see packs of kooks on their pop outs in the lineups having a blast.

Who do you think they will look at? Who's branding will they see most?

Embrace the kook, ask him or her questions about their ride, share your knowledge and wisdom and educate them in the lineup, inspire and encourage them to look to the amazing benefits of a custom board or one that is Aussie made.

I do that every surf, I make sure I strike up a convo about someones ride, what they are riding, size guessing, hows it ride? Where did they get it? Why that style or brand? How does it ride for them? etc... Never once has anyone told me to shut the hell up and F off when it comes to talking about their ride, everyone who know anything loves to talk rides. And if you hit a kook who basically says "dunno it was cheap", bam gold mine. Give them some tips, show them your ride, compare it to theirs etc.

Do that and it will have a greater effect on the Oz board making scene than any whining, word of mouth and genuine references will beat any slick marketing campaign by any board maker. Otherwise why would so much emphasis be placed on testimonials?

Because surfing and board performance is subjective, and if so and so is riding one and says they are great then it must be true.

Opportunities guys, opportunities.

Half their range is a direct knock off of reputable shapers board. Notice the fountain of youth looks like a tak scorpion. They even half pinched his logo.

Don't see how undermining lifelong dedicated shapers by copying their hard work using, cheap material, cheap labour and lax environmental laws helps anyone but someones hip pocket.

A pictures worth a thousand words and a stringer that is joined says more about the quality than any post will.