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laceys lane said..
Im thankful there are cheaper longboards around. I own 2 .one ive had 2 1/2 years and the other for a year.
I only longboard surf once a month at best so i cannot justify $2000 for a legend brand..
I wouldn't being doing it at all if it wasn't for the moderate priced longboards.
That just me.
I dont judge people with high end flashy boards.
For me its not about looking good at the carpark, its about what you do in the water.

Thats why surfing is a beautiful thing. When your in the water its all about skill and the enjoyment factor What your on means nothing.

Keeps surf greenroomers

You've been through more flashy models then Leonardo di caprio.
Buying a cheap log isn't going to kill the industry with the amount of boards you've gone through.

They serve a purpose but without the local industry what happens to r & d, support for local junior surfers, local board riders, environmental causes like surf rider?
As well as other Aussie businesses that create a Surfing community.

Don't see the cheap import brands supporting any of that stuff.

Haha. Not that many longboards.

I spend money in sup race boards and shortboards.
I personally just draw the line on longboards atm
Mind you mac got me thinking about that green 9.3 mct.

Anyway im in a 6 month withdrawal program

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SP said..

laceys lane said..
Im thankful there are cheaper longboards around. I own 2 .one ive had 2 1/2 years and the other for a year.
I only longboard surf once a month at best so i cannot justify $2000 for a legend brand..
I wouldn't being doing it at all if it wasn't for the moderate priced longboards.
That just me.
I dont judge people with high end flashy boards.
For me its not about looking good at the carpark, its about what you do in the water.

Thats why surfing is a beautiful thing. When your in the water its all about skill and the enjoyment factor What your on means nothing.

Keeps surf greenroomers

You've been through more flashy models then Leonardo di caprio.
Buying a cheap log isn't going to kill the industry with the amount of boards you've gone through.

They serve a purpose but without the local industry what happens to r & d, support for local junior surfers, local board riders, environmental causes like surf rider?
As well as other Aussie businesses that create a Surfing community.

Don't see the cheap import brands supporting any of that stuff.

What R & D occurs for longboards? Curious as high performance shortboards seem to be receiving performance boosts with materials but this isn't as relevant to longboards...or is it?
Asked in good faith btw.

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Cuttlefish said..

SP said..

laceys lane said..
Im thankful there are cheaper longboards around. I own 2 .one ive had 2 1/2 years and the other for a year.
I only longboard surf once a month at best so i cannot justify $2000 for a legend brand..
I wouldn't being doing it at all if it wasn't for the moderate priced longboards.
That just me.
I dont judge people with high end flashy boards.
For me its not about looking good at the carpark, its about what you do in the water.

Thats why surfing is a beautiful thing. When your in the water its all about skill and the enjoyment factor What your on means nothing.

Keeps surf greenroomers

You've been through more flashy models then Leonardo di caprio.
Buying a cheap log isn't going to kill the industry with the amount of boards you've gone through.

They serve a purpose but without the local industry what happens to r & d, support for local junior surfers, local board riders, environmental causes like surf rider?
As well as other Aussie businesses that create a Surfing community.

Don't see the cheap import brands supporting any of that stuff.

What R & D occurs for longboards? Curious as high performance shortboards seem to be receiving performance boosts with materials but this isn't as relevant to longboards...or is it?
Asked in good faith btw.

Ill probably get hung for this. But i reckon you get a longboard. Fiddle with fins and just get it to work.
Really is there any great difference for the normal punter to what say mac gets and the best sellers for sbw

I kinda agree with you LL.

CF. Na. Not so much with LBs. I was kinda meaning more generally in all boards.

Longboards Carbon tech? Harley Ingelby maybe.
But even just board shops sponsoring surfers and getting feed back on how to improve boards. Or different designs that might suit the average punter.

Maybe R&D doesn't even equal progression, look at the last 10 years old outlines updated to more modern ideas. Fishes, mids, twins etc.

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laceys lane said..

Cuttlefish said..

SP said..

laceys lane said..
Im thankful there are cheaper longboards around. I own 2 .one ive had 2 1/2 years and the other for a year.
I only longboard surf once a month at best so i cannot justify $2000 for a legend brand..
I wouldn't being doing it at all if it wasn't for the moderate priced longboards.
That just me.
I dont judge people with high end flashy boards.
For me its not about looking good at the carpark, its about what you do in the water.

Thats why surfing is a beautiful thing. When your in the water its all about skill and the enjoyment factor What your on means nothing.

Keeps surf greenroomers

You've been through more flashy models then Leonardo di caprio.
Buying a cheap log isn't going to kill the industry with the amount of boards you've gone through.

They serve a purpose but without the local industry what happens to r & d, support for local junior surfers, local board riders, environmental causes like surf rider?
As well as other Aussie businesses that create a Surfing community.

Don't see the cheap import brands supporting any of that stuff.

What R & D occurs for longboards? Curious as high performance shortboards seem to be receiving performance boosts with materials but this isn't as relevant to longboards...or is it?
Asked in good faith btw.

Ill probably get hung for this. But i reckon you get a longboard. Fiddle with fins and just get it to work.
Really is there any great difference for the normal punter to what say mac gets and the best sellers for sbw

You could be correct but it's got to be the same as all this 3k plus sup boards you've ordered, owned and sold you can't beat passion boy and you have plenty

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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..

Cuttlefish said..

SP said..

laceys lane said..
Im thankful there are cheaper longboards around. I own 2 .one ive had 2 1/2 years and the other for a year.
I only longboard surf once a month at best so i cannot justify $2000 for a legend brand..
I wouldn't being doing it at all if it wasn't for the moderate priced longboards.
That just me.
I dont judge people with high end flashy boards.
For me its not about looking good at the carpark, its about what you do in the water.

Thats why surfing is a beautiful thing. When your in the water its all about skill and the enjoyment factor What your on means nothing.

Keeps surf greenroomers

You've been through more flashy models then Leonardo di caprio.
Buying a cheap log isn't going to kill the industry with the amount of boards you've gone through.

They serve a purpose but without the local industry what happens to r & d, support for local junior surfers, local board riders, environmental causes like surf rider?
As well as other Aussie businesses that create a Surfing community.

Don't see the cheap import brands supporting any of that stuff.

What R & D occurs for longboards? Curious as high performance shortboards seem to be receiving performance boosts with materials but this isn't as relevant to longboards...or is it?
Asked in good faith btw.

Ill probably get hung for this. But i reckon you get a longboard. Fiddle with fins and just get it to work.
Really is there any great difference for the normal punter to what say mac gets and the best sellers for sbw

You could be correct but it's got to be the same as all this 3k plus sup boards you've ordered, owned and sold you can't beat passion boy and you have plenty

You just stick to what you know best -selling boards on gumtree.

Sup racing is high end design for a mixture of speed, glide, stability and weight in the disciplines of flatwater,ocean etc etc Blah blah blah

Its a fair bit different from using a dustbin lid as a template for your noserider.

Ps im a bit proud of the last sentence . I just made that up

Spoken by a true collector .
Brings a tear to my eye

had a go on a 14fter ocean racing sup a norah head xmas time ,what beast you need a harbour tug to turn the monster , the biggest work out is carrying the beast up the beach .

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bazz61 said..
had a go on a 14fter ocean racing sup a norah head xmas time ,what beast you need a harbour tug to turn the monster , the biggest work out is carrying the beast up the beach .

You need to join macs gym and get cracking.
Just be careful not to walk between mac and his mirror

speaking off...8 ft plus A frames out the front ..Mac grab ya Pinnacle ....

I was working a bit at albatross st.
No sightings of random pinnacles in the lineup

Let's be honest they are ****

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Macaha said..
Let's be honest they are ****

Lets not start. Being honest

Rise of the machines. Judgement day.

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chrispy said..

Hahaha, I saw 8 customs sitting in a CW surf shop because they didn't suit the client the had them made.

And people pull the piss outta me for buying a pop out.

This is gold, made my day chrispy. The purists and sheep off to see their shaper gods and Shepard's.

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Hydromann said..

chrispy said..

Hahaha, I saw 8 customs sitting in a CW surf shop because they didn't suit the client the had them made.

And people pull the piss outta me for buying a pop out.

This is gold, made my day chrispy. The purists and sheep off to see their shaper gods and Shepard's.

You are not allowed to play with sharp objects are you

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Hydromann said..

chrispy said..

Hahaha, I saw 8 customs sitting in a CW surf shop because they didn't suit the client the had them made.

And people pull the piss outta me for buying a pop out.

This is gold, made my day chrispy. The purists and sheep off to see their shaper gods and Shepard's.

How do you know they did not suit the client ? Is this fact,or is this just you saying made up **** on the internet again?

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chrispy said..

Hydromann said..

chrispy said..

Hahaha, I saw 8 customs sitting in a CW surf shop because they didn't suit the client the had them made.

And people pull the piss outta me for buying a pop out.

This is gold, made my day chrispy. The purists and sheep off to see their shaper gods and Shepard's.

How do you know they did not suit the client ? Is this fact,or is this just you saying made up **** on the internet again?

Yeah just me talking ****e again hey.

Not.

I know because I spoke to the guys in the shop.

So if I'm talking ****e then it's me repeating their ****e.

Just the irony of how you all bang on about pop outs being ****e, and how only a custom board by a shaper can truely surf any good.

And here we have a piece of flash marketing where a custom shaper is saying the exact same ****e that I have been saying. Only they are trying to market it as a point of differenciation.

Shapers bagging out other shapers, the irony is clearly not ****e.

And the fact that this was in a CW shop doubles down on the irony of who's bagging out other shapers.

Again just the irony bloke. So feel free to ignore my so called made up ****e.

Besides I thought that all of the boards on the rack looked good, regardless of why the dude who was selling them didn't like them.

So what that tells me is that there is nothing wrong with the CW product, they've just hit gold with a prick who has more money and ambition than ability.

Every surf shops and shapers dream client.

Really can't imagine the CW shaper or store workers sending him away saying we made you a custom board that does everything you ever dreamerd it would. How dare you come back and change your mind.

But that's just my two ****es worth of made up ****e again.

Enjoy the blinker vision dude.

"We make true custom surfboards"

Really? Where's the empirical and impartial evidence to support that assertion?

Show me the hydrodynamic test results that prove CW boards perform closer to a client's desired needs than other shapers boards. In fact just show me how this was tested to make it fact? What standards where used?

And I make up ****e?

Shapers bagging out other shapers based on unsubstantiated ****e and I talk ****e, wow, just wow.

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chrispy said..

Hydromann said..

chrispy said..

Hahaha, I saw 8 customs sitting in a CW surf shop because they didn't suit the client the had them made.

And people pull the piss outta me for buying a pop out.

This is gold, made my day chrispy. The purists and sheep off to see their shaper gods and Shepard's.

You are not allowed to play with sharp objects are you

Not around you, it seems you get cut up pretty easily.

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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..
Let's be honest they are ****

Lets not start. Being honest

Nah let's be honest.

I honestly and sincerely enjoy the banter of different opinions.

Even if they are wrong.

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Hydromann said..

chrispy said..

Hydromann said..

chrispy said..

Hahaha, I saw 8 customs sitting in a CW surf shop because they didn't suit the client the had them made.

And people pull the piss outta me for buying a pop out.

This is gold, made my day chrispy. The purists and sheep off to see their shaper gods and Shepard's.

You are not allowed to play with sharp objects are you

Not around you, it seems you get cut up pretty easily.

Nah I'm just not gullible listening to and believing google experts like you with way too much time on their hands bagging people for making money and buying boards because they are idiots...while the real geniuses like you are buying pieces of **** and then having to add 200 fin plugs,chop the tail up etc etc etc ....yeh you know what's real aye lol

Cut,me? Yeh ok

Ok. Lets face it.
Walking the beach with a mal under your arm is always embarrassing.

Now if you look like a bit of an old salt, a sbw board shows your not taking mals too seriously .your just using one because the surf so small and you have your hp shortboard in the just in case it gets good.

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Ok. Lets face it.
Walking the beach with a mal under your arm is always embarrassing.

Now if you look like a bit of an old salt, a sbw board shows your not taking mals too seriously .your just using one because the surf so small and you have your hp shortboard in the just in case it gets good.

That's fine if you are a young fella not so for a 50 plus gent. But I get part of your post which I've known for years your not a Prue longboarder but one day it will come. Keep ripping on your shortboard while you can. Nothing wrong with what YOU are doing and you're reasoning behind it, it get it.

Dont you dare call me prue



Ps true. Ive enjoyed the odd alley lb session. Ive fixed my body up a bit and i can kinda cross step kinda again kinda

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laceys lane said..
Dont you dare call me prue



Ps true. Ive enjoyed the odd alley lb session. Ive fixed my body up a bit and i can kinda cross step kinda again kinda

You have been a massive supporter or locally made shortboards and sups for years I don't take issue with you.

He had a bit of a stop before the early surf this morning

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Nah I'm just not gullible listening to and believing google experts like you with way too much time on their hands bagging people for making money and buying boards because they are idiots...while the real geniuses like you are buying pieces of **** and then having to add 200 fin plugs,chop the tail up etc etc etc ....yeh you know what's real aye lol

Cut,me? Yeh ok

Yeah learnt all of my engineering and hydrodynamics from Google over the last 35 years ...... not.

And no I never bagged anyone for making $1500 cups of coffee, that was simply some friendly banter. And I have no resentment for anyone able to afford a work of artistic expression. What I do take issue with is blind acceptance of what someone says, in all matters of life and not just surfboard design. And that has been my beef, statements based in ignorance by people who have never ridden a pop out or who resent bottom feeders like me for having to resort to them because we can't afford the rich list.

I can see the difference in a custom made board and a pop out, it is very apparent that a different level of attention is applied. And if people want to buy a work of functional art because it not only performs better but is aesthetically more pleasing more power to them.

What I have said is that you guys keep bagging out the cheap boards based on bias alone and a pack mentality. When the reality is that there is a place in the market for them, always has been, and always will be because they are fit for purpose. That purpose being to help people like me or new kooks get into it at a cost effective entry level price.

Unlike you and many others I have a different take on this, I believe it creates greater opportunity for the custom shapers in the longer term. Once a kook or me finds our sea legs we will reach the limit of what we are riding can do. We will become more entrenched and invested in the surf culture, and also more adept at discerning subtle differences in design.

My case for instance, I knew from my history and experience exactly what I wanted, either a Millar SubX or a Webber Diamond. I spent hours understanding each of those designs and the design philosophy used by the shapers, but both where out of my financial league. So I made a compromise and bought a pop out that came as close as possible to the desired features, and it was an awesome decision for a board to get me reacquainted with surfing, and allowed me to experiment with fin setups etc that as a kid and younger bloke I never had the opportunity to try. And as for me being poor, long story suffice to say I was robbed of my house and home by my wife's family (not the wife), starting from scratch again at 55 is tough, where's isle 9 again?

As for cutting things up, I refrained, a dream of trying new things. Besides if it's good enough for B McT to state on his web site as the best way to refine a design then I'm in good company.

How about instead of lamenting the state of play for local shapers you all encourage business for them? Get alongside someone in the lineup riding a pop out, ask them what it is they are on? What they like and don't like about it? Give them some riding tips, show them some of the advanced design features on your sleds, bedazzle them with the beautiful design lines and artistic expression, the uniqueness. Give them the shapers name and encourage them to begin a dialogue.

Each time I paddle out and see something interesting in the line up I paddle over and strike up a conversation, turns out that even dried up salty old arseholes love to talk about their boards, who knew? Both them and I discovered that they are not as grumpy as everyone else surfing around them thinks.

Not much chance of them aspiring to ride what you are on if all they see is a bunch of tribal locals who look like they are having a crap surf on their $1500 boards.

Just my two ****es worth, have an awesome day.

There is one thing that annoys me about Aussie made PU shapes vs certain Asian made eps/epoxy boards. Their general fragility. My new 7'6" already has a mystery dent in the bottom. No idea how it got there.
The deck is also denting quite a lot despite it having a patch and the shaper assuring me he uses the best blanks available and my board has had minimal foam taken of the blank.
My 6'2" swallow tail shorty slid off where I'd placed it today and despite being in a bag cracked the tail. Had a firewire helium that suffered the same kind of fall with zero damage. I've even run over a guy who paddled right under me while taking off on s wave with zero damage to it.
The same 6'2" has a sizeable dent near the rail that I have no idea how it got there.
The handling mishaps like when walking out the garage door or the board falling over are really annoying but easily happen.
The planned obsolesence of surfboard shapers who want us to to keep coming back for the latest and greatest is questionable these days.
The subject has been addressed before. What real advancements in surfboard shapes are happening in the last decade. Why not make the bloody things stronger so they last longer if the shape is still effective? Better for the environment since PU boards are made of toxic materials anyway.
Fyi I suck at fixing dings and getting professional repairs ain't cheap.