Fire away in here boys, free rain go nuts.

Guy walks into a Asian stockiest and asks the 15 year old for assistance walks out with a $399 piece of plastic. Then goes and buys quality hardware for the board like deck pad $60 a leg rope $60 and a set of fins $160, now that's not smart buying is it? Oh and buys a $ 140 bag to protect his investment or is he embarrassed driving around with the said board on the roof of his car It's like having a race car without a motor

What about boards from Indo?

Made buy surfers but just in a lower paying economy?

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SP said..
What about boards from Indo?

Made buy surfers but just in a lower paying economy?

No issues

Ok...I'll bite since watching the Red bull air show comp is not my cup of tea at all. Surfing for me is not the place for skateboarding "tricks".
Looking at the big picture rather than surfboards in isolation works better for me.
Amongst the common criticisms of offshore surfboard manufacturing is that it will snuff out progression in surfboard design...now since we are in the longboard section this criticism is NA... However this seems not to be the case and has prompted many of the big name local board companies to introduce more durable, eps/epoxy boards into their ranges which does also have shapers alter their shapes to suit the differing materials.
There has arguably been a shift towards a larger percentage of surfers riding the big name brands such as Lost, DHD, JS, CI which are still made locally using computer shapes on machines with ghost finish shapers.
Obviously offshore manufacturing has been around for a long time now and domestic shortboard surfboard shapers haven't in fact died out.
Which was a common prediction.
Its always been strange to me that surfers will decry the existence of overseas made surfboards but will happily use anything else that is mass produced overseas because surfing is so special but the rest is not.
If you're taking a stand on surfboards why not take a stand on all overseas mass produced products that fill our shelves in shops across our country?
Chuck that Chinese Iphone/Samsung S10 in the bin. Give your Merc/Lexus/Jeep...etc to a homeless person to sleep in.
Flame suit on!
Btw the legropes, tailpads are only $25 in the surfboard warehouse and the like. Covers are $40 ish.
Maybe the McT shop is a bit more expensive.

'Rich disgruntled owner of really expensive boards whinging ' thread is what he really needs

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laceys lane said..
'Rich disgruntled owner of really expensive boards whinging ' thread is what he really needs

Rich your kidding,no I've been burnt from whats happening to the surfboard industry, mines long gone,I'm talking with experience, until you've lived through that you have no idea how it effects many Australians.
Disgruntled 100% it still hornets me but one must move on which I have,but I will never forget what once was and thanks to the government and cheap arse Australians who purchased Chinese crap. Hell I once employed over 100 people now I'm in the same industry but not manufacturing and employ 5,I witnessed hard working Australians lose everything and I mean everything, hell yeah thats not what I call Australian,are you Asian

PS I put my balls on the line all day everyday so if I can afford what you call expensive boards thats your issue. I'm stoked surfboards are my release to the world,I love them.

As I always say Ride Em All

Marty. Do you think the building industry is a ball of fun!!!!
We had or are having the same issues of decades. Started with big project builders that built rubbish
Ive had lots of sleepless night i can tell you that.
Not only that ive got to run a 6 year warranty . And being continually threaten by the building authories for the mistakes they give idiots licenses too. Tainted by others Balls on the line is just part of it



If people have options its not their fault.
You are now a importer are you not

Like you say your end is gone.
If shapers are smart they will have a foot in either camp.


**** i know you love the process probably more than the surfing its self.
Cheers


Ps i put $9000 into two local boards. Both got water and were stuffed and got me f all for my money .
Cheaper surfboards help me make up for that loss

An $1800 Mct or $1800 Tolhurst Carbon ?

Actually my local board input over the last 8 years is probably about $100,000 worth easily

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laceys lane said..
Marty. Do you think the building industry is a ball of fun!!!!
We had or are having the same issues of decades. Started with big project builders that built rubbish
Ive had lots of sleepless night i can tell you that.
Not only that ive got to run a 6 year warranty . And being continually threaten by the building authories for the mistakes they give idiots licenses too. Tainted by others Balls on the line is just part of it



If people have options its not their fault.
You are now a importer are you not

Like you say your end is gone.
If shapers are smart they will have a foot in either camp.


**** i know you love the process probably more than the surfing its self.
Cheers


Ps i put $9000 into two local boards. Both got water and were stuffed and got me f all for my money .
Cheaper surfboards help me make up for that loss

Yeah I'm with you Lacey just debate we can all help each other ad yeas I know you've blown big money on local sup boards but that's what happens when you in a new sport and being a pioneer I get that

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asea said..
An $1800 Mct or $1800 Tolhurst Carbon ?

No brand bashing but can you order a Tolhurst custom and where are they made? From what know not much ask SA I wouldn't think you could order a custom Tolhurst in the dimensions and colour way but as I said I don't know, ps I've viewed those Tolhurst and they do look very nice.

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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..
Marty. Do you think the building industry is a ball of fun!!!!
We had or are having the same issues of decades. Started with big project builders that built rubbish
Ive had lots of sleepless night i can tell you that.
Not only that ive got to run a 6 year warranty . And being continually threaten by the building authories for the mistakes they give idiots licenses too. Tainted by others Balls on the line is just part of it



If people have options its not their fault.
You are now a importer are you not

Like you say your end is gone.
If shapers are smart they will have a foot in either camp.


**** i know you love the process probably more than the surfing its self.
Cheers


Ps i put $9000 into two local boards. Both got water and were stuffed and got me f all for my money .
Cheaper surfboards help me make up for that loss

Yeah I'm with you Lacey just debate we can all help each other ad yeas I know you've blown big money on local sup boards but that's what happens when you in a new sport and being a pioneer I get that

Cheers mac. Phew

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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..

laceys lane said..
Marty. Do you think the building industry is a ball of fun!!!!
We had or are having the same issues of decades. Started with big project builders that built rubbish
Ive had lots of sleepless night i can tell you that.
Not only that ive got to run a 6 year warranty . And being continually threaten by the building authories for the mistakes they give idiots licenses too. Tainted by others Balls on the line is just part of it



If people have options its not their fault.
You are now a importer are you not

Like you say your end is gone.
If shapers are smart they will have a foot in either camp.


**** i know you love the process probably more than the surfing its self.
Cheers


Ps i put $9000 into two local boards. Both got water and were stuffed and got me f all for my money .
Cheaper surfboards help me make up for that loss

Yeah I'm with you Lacey just debate we can all help each other ad yeas I know you've blown big money on local sup boards but that's what happens when you in a new sport and being a pioneer I get that

Cheers mac. Phew

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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..

laceys lane said..
Marty. Do you think the building industry is a ball of fun!!!!
We had or are having the same issues of decades. Started with big project builders that built rubbish
Ive had lots of sleepless night i can tell you that.
Not only that ive got to run a 6 year warranty . And being continually threaten by the building authories for the mistakes they give idiots licenses too. Tainted by others Balls on the line is just part of it



If people have options its not their fault.
You are now a importer are you not

Like you say your end is gone.
If shapers are smart they will have a foot in either camp.


**** i know you love the process probably more than the surfing its self.
Cheers


Ps i put $9000 into two local boards. Both got water and were stuffed and got me f all for my money .
Cheaper surfboards help me make up for that loss

Yeah I'm with you Lacey just debate we can all help each other ad yeas I know you've blown big money on local sup boards but that's what happens when you in a new sport and being a pioneer I get that

Cheers mac. Phew

Always all good mate all way.

Macaha. Well said how so many Australians have lost their jobs & everything due to the cheap & most often nasty from other cheap countries labor & materials. I am also a victim of this from my local steelworks where I got contracted out. Not once but 3 times losing $20,000 off my yearly wage & then again another $10,000 a year till now. Oh & I nearly forgot about mine & wifes hardship after mass retrenchments took place just after buying our great Australian dream. 9 months without pay. Would have lost it if my wife wasn't working & family members pitching in for us to buy food.
Wages, conditions & entitlements have dropped heaps & I have always said to my fellow workers & management that we are heading to equal the 3rd world countries in our living & until then nothing will improve.
If I was government I would ban all imports from businesses that decide to go overseas. I bet some of them if not most of them would still be here. After all years ago I believe our cash was worth more. So if we didn't buy their products then they would lose out.
I could go on all day about this issue but I won't cause it sucks & is soo depressing. Surfing helps me to get out of all this depression that I have experienced.
So I am guilty like most if not all Australians for buying overseas products & is not easy not to. Unless government stopped most imports & made this country self sufficient. We did have the resources too.
Anyway. I bought a pop out SUP years ago to try it & see if I liked it. I wouldn't have if I had to pay heaps. But later I did pay heaps from who was an Australian but had to go over seas to manufacture to survive. So I am partially happy that my money is going to him & his family. But would rather see my money going to him, his family & the Australian workers if he was to operate here. His SUPs & all boards construction are second to none.
But I have recently bought a longboard I believe is a pop out, sort of.
Again at a cheaper price. But not the cheapest from an Australian that has been in the surf industry for years with his brothers. So happy some of my money is going to him. And he has a wealth of knowledge so I found out. And what I remember him saying is that if an Australian wanted to get a product manufactured overseas at a low cost then quality will go down. Overseas companies can manufacture anything. But the Australian seller would have to take the gamble of selling crap at a high price to keep their good name.
So why didn't I buy from a local shaper? Because I wanted a board that was robust foremost. Performance came second. I wanted my longboard to be more of a fun board anyway. But my local shapers haven't really made a name for themselves unfortunately. And I must admit I was too lazy to look into them.
Another thing that I was told is that a lot of money goes into a popout mold that produces exact copies of tried & proven boards before being mass produced. Maybe not so to those overseas companies who just produce boards as a surfboard & not as a board with a well known surfer or shaper's name.
Sorry for the long write up but tried to make it short. Love my new longboard so far. Soooo fast. And found out it's not as easy as I thought to be a longboarder. Haaaa!

Nice from the heat post

I think im a average type of board buyer in this time. Get both . Local and overseas

im not going to seperate countries.
They are either local or made oversea.
Hell. You be naive to think the local sanding dud is doing all right.
All surfboard workers are mostly on crap money .
But ive been told the asian workers who are skilled up do pretty well compared to other in their communities.

Take sunova. Their workers had to upgrade to produce race sup boards. Most of their race board are canoe style. Very technical build
Dead lines to meet.
They cant afford to keep retraining new workers all the time


Now someone like murray burton who fought the good fight with base surfboards for years has gone solo again. He does local and get boards made overseas. Lots of specifications by him and surprisingly from the manufacturers themselves.
I think its a good balance for him. He has switched onto social media as advertising and it appear his customers over decades are still with him
I don't know the arragement the sideways has with those shapers.
Havent purchased a board off them. I tend to get the mals and such from sbw . Not one sup from them however
Perhaps someone knows the sideways setup

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asea said..
An $1800 Mct or $1800 Tolhurst Carbon ?

No brand bashing but can you order a Tolhurst custom and where are they made? From what know not much ask SA I wouldn't think you could order a custom Tolhurst in the dimensions and colour way but as I said I don't know, ps I've viewed those Tolhurst and they do look very nice.

Tolly Thunderbolts have their origins in Coffs Harbour but not made in Oz, Bill will make what you want..his way
BTW I have 2 Tolly .one completely handmade by him and the latest Back to the Future as it's still nearly the best board that carries his name.

"I think im a average type of board buyer in this time. Get both . Local and overseas"

Me too...picked up 4 new/old boards in the last 2 weeks.

A SW local Shape step up Indo gun by Boyd Purdy,
An old Santosha circa 1989 by Mark Ogram (originally from NZ, now SW been in oz for decades),
A DHD Ducks Nuts for good sucky waves and
A Hypto Krypto rip board from a Qld company getting boards made overseas.

PS the board above is the best longboard I have ever ridden/owned...still loving

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laceys lane said..
Now someone like murray burton who fought the good fight with base surfboards for years has gone solo again. He does local and get boards made overseas.

Not sure if Base is the best example of fighting the good fight...

Not mentioning brands but current and past world Longboard champions are riding boards from Asia just saying

I have 3 boards shaped by Americans in Australia. Glassed in Oz is this okay? Only ever bought one os made board, popout. Sanctum, company is australia owned, where does this fit?

I can see a market for lower priced os made boards.

Sidewayz are made in indo LL. Business is owned by a kiwi.

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I have 3 boards shaped by Americans in Australia. Glassed in Oz is this okay? Only ever bought one of made board, company is australia owned, where does this fit.

I can see a market for lower priced os made boards.

Sidewayz are made in indo LL. Business is owned by a kiwi.

Indo hey.
So its all good with sideways then mac

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laceys lane said..
Now someone like murray burton who fought the good fight with base surfboards for years has gone solo again. He does local and get boards made overseas.

Not sure if Base is the best example of fighting the good fight...

Yeah i know it.

But that was the principal first up

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Not mentioning brands but current and past world Longboard champions are riding boards from Asia just saying

Think you find current world mens champion riding boards shaped by his father from South Africia.

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CrustyD said..

asea said..
Not mentioning brands but current and past world Longboard champions are riding boards from Asia just saying

Think you find current world mens champion riding boards shaped by his father from South Africia.

Yes ok I am allowed to be wrong past champions I should have said cheers

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CrustyD said..

asea said..
Not mentioning brands but current and past world Longboard champions are riding boards from Asia just saying

Think you find current world mens champion riding boards shaped by his father from South Africia.

Yes ok I am allowed to be wrong past champions I should have said cheers

Lift your game according to vanders

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laceys lane said..

asea said..

CrustyD said..

asea said..
Not mentioning brands but current and past world Longboard champions are riding boards from Asia just saying

Think you find current world mens champion riding boards shaped by his father from South Africia.

Yes ok I am allowed to be wrong past champions I should have said cheers

Lift your game according to vanders

Haha go get a big fat one up ya but yes I should pay more attention to the who's who of world long boarding I keep remembering the past

Where are Guy Takayama boards made. I just bought a 9ft Pahoa. Didn't expect it to be sooo fast. Had a hard time trying to stand up on it. Waves were easy shoulder high but water surface choppy so didn't help. But did get a few smaller ones. Love it.