Nice one guys.I think something happened to the microphone when Ben grabbed the camera , there wasn't endless waffling going on.

Only joking Jacko, I appreciate your tips etc, I need all the help I can get.

Great video Jacko , what day was that.

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tightlines said..
Nice one guys.I think something happened to the microphone when Ben grabbed the camera , there wasn't endless waffling going on.

Only joking Jacko, I appreciate your tips etc, I need all the help I can get.

Haha yeah I knew if i gave it to Ben that there would not be much talking going on.

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Piros said..
Great video Jacko , what day was that.

Tuesday.

What you guys use as a mast lenght ?

Dave Kalama uses mostly a 65cm mast and can 28km/h average speed.
I have some friends, bigger guys and they use 75cm.

Others like 80 to 85cm, such as James Casey, etc...

Shorter mast makes it easier to get up, more control but less forgiving, more touch down.

I like the 82cm mast, I think the higher you fly the faster you go but maybe with the smaller hight aspect wing, harder to get up, a shorter mast is a good option. I'm gonna try differents combo to see.

I've tried 75cm and 90cm. I prefer 75cm as it's easier to paddle up. I'd like to try a 82cm though

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frenchfoiler said..
What you guys use as a mast lenght ?

Dave Kalama uses mostly a 65cm mast and can 28km/h average speed.
I have some friends, bigger guys and they use 75cm.

Others like 80 to 85cm, such as James Casey, etc...

Shorter mast makes it easier to get up, more control but less forgiving, more touch down.

I like the 82cm mast, I think the higher you fly the faster you go but maybe with the smaller hight aspect wing, harder to get up, a shorter mast is a good option. I'm gonna try differents combo to see.

Ok, so I thought only heavier guys would use shorter mast, but seems like Jeremy Riggs uses also a short mast and he said most of people in Maui are doing the same.

Yeah James Casey is on a 26" for downwind lately he said. That seems to be the current trend.

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frenchfoiler said..
What you guys use as a mast lenght ?

Dave Kalama uses mostly a 65cm mast and can 28km/h average speed.
I have some friends, bigger guys and they use 75cm.

Others like 80 to 85cm, such as James Casey, etc...

Shorter mast makes it easier to get up, more control but less forgiving, more touch down.

I like the 82cm mast, I THINK THE HIGHER YOU FLY THE FASTER YOU GO but maybe with the smaller hight aspect wing, harder to get up, a shorter mast is a good option. I'm gonna try differents combo to see.

Not necessarily the higher you fly but the closer your wing is to the surface, hence it doesn't really make any difference how long your mast is.

IMO shorter masts are easier to judge how close are to breaching, a longer mast gives you more room for error between breaching and touching down but at the cost of drag.

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Hdip said..
Yeah James Casey is on a 32" for downwind lately he said.

Couldn't edit the last post. I was incorrect on the mast size he's using. The Maui guys are on the shorter masts though.

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tightlines said..

frenchfoiler said..
What you guys use as a mast lenght ?

Dave Kalama uses mostly a 65cm mast and can 28km/h average speed.
I have some friends, bigger guys and they use 75cm.

Others like 80 to 85cm, such as James Casey, etc...

Shorter mast makes it easier to get up, more control but less forgiving, more touch down.

I like the 82cm mast, I THINK THE HIGHER YOU FLY THE FASTER YOU GO but maybe with the smaller hight aspect wing, harder to get up, a shorter mast is a good option. I'm gonna try differents combo to see.

Not necessarily the higher you fly but the closer your wing is to the surface, hence it doesn't really make any difference how long your mast is.

IMO shorter masts are easier to judge how close are to breaching, a longer mast gives you more room for error between breaching and touching down but at the cost of drag.

Yes, good point regarding having the wing closer to the surface. I think flying hight (so longer mast) gives more sensation.

The biggest drag component at low speed is the frontal area (I guess the profile silhouette your gear makes). Your mast accounts for so much of this. Wing span and camber thickness is the other. Fuselage and viscous/paracitic drag come later as you start going faster.

So, if you can ride with a smaller mast, then yes you will be more efficient getting up for sure (and noticeably). If it is smoking conditions and getting up is not an issue, then going longer on your mast will help in altitude clearance in rough conditions. But if you use a long mast and are predominately flying low, then you're adding a lot of unnecessary drag. The less frontal area in the water the better for speed and reducing drag. But flying high on a long mast also exposes more board to wind drag as there is generally a calmer layer of air close to the water, your board mainly will get more drag up higher.

I only use 75cm Mast DW.

JB

Shorter mast is also stiffer and less heavy, Lets go dw on a 30cm mast

I mostly use a 82cm, I noticed that coming from a 75cm it felt better and I never went back.

But maybe with smaller thinner more ha wing, shorter is better, easier to get up and because thos wings are easy to control the longer mast is not so important.

I guess the best is to try different sizes.

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frenchfoiler said..
Shorter mast is also stiffer and less heavy, Lets go dw on a 30cm mast

I mostly use a 82cm, I noticed that coming from a 75cm it felt better and I never went back.

But maybe with smaller thinner more ha wing, shorter is better, easier to get up and because thos wings are easy to control the longer mast is not so important.

I guess the best is to try different sizes.

Agree, 75 rocks. Thinking of going 65! With new DW hulls that are so narrow at the contact point, it is not game over to glance your hull on hectic drops like it used to be.

JB

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Yeah I'm about to go back and have another crack at DW paddling. Re the Sig/Uni 190, Takuma 1210 yes they are pretty popular but to start you need more. I'm looking at the Axis Ali mast & 1150 or maybe the 1300 as Bender mentioned. GoFoil also has some great wings (220,240) and killer stiff mast (or Sig /Uni 210 minimum, Takuma 1440 ) 100% stay away from the Army 1125 that would be a death sentence 2400 V2 way better pick . It's super technical to start and regardless of your fitness level you tear up your energy very quickly doing false starts and burn your legs and then start tea bagging ( falling in a lot) a longer purpose-built board also helps as well. ( don't use a ding board) Once you master the starts and start to read the ocean then you can start looking at smaller wings. Learn from my mistakes go bigger to start & HA wings are a bitch to learn on.

When you take the Ding out of the equation you times it by 3 making it harder for starting and staying on the bump. You have to look way forward and peel or pump away early to the trough behind or to the side. No Pumping the ding to drive over the one in front. You need a board you are super stable on which you can stand on in any conditions not foiling , if you can't stand on it comfortably you can't start. Mast and wing flex play a huge part for stability on a Sup . You don't want a soft flex mast or wings again it just makes it hard to balance on the board.

I use the Armstrong foils, and want to start DW SUP on perhaps an Egg or Kalama board . I weigh 68 kg and wing a 75 and 85L wingboard with the HS1250 and HA925 foils. I have the HA1125 and HS1550v2 for light wind days and low and high aspect stabilizer wings. Would I need something even bigger like the 1850 to have a better chance of foiling on a bay with wind swell in the meter height range? What volume of board would give a guy of my weight a good chance in these smaller wind swells? They usually come in sets of four or five and then there are some flats for a few seconds before another group comes by. It's sort of slow swell being in a bay with a 15-20 km fetch. Perhaps no amount of the right gear will work for me?

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Piros said..
Yeah I'm about to go back and have another crack at DW paddling. Re the Sig/Uni 190, Takuma 1210 yes they are pretty popular but to start you need more. I'm looking at the Axis Ali mast & 1150 or maybe the 1300 as Bender mentioned. GoFoil also has some great wings (220,240) and killer stiff mast (or Sig /Uni 210 minimum, Takuma 1440 ) 100% stay away from the Army 1125 that would be a death sentence 2400 V2 way better pick . It's super technical to start and regardless of your fitness level you tear up your energy very quickly doing false starts and burn your legs and then start tea bagging ( falling in a lot) a longer purpose-built board also helps as well. ( don't use a ding board) Once you master the starts and start to read the ocean then you can start looking at smaller wings. Learn from my mistakes go bigger to start & HA wings are a bitch to learn on.

When you take the Ding out of the equation you times it by 3 making it harder for starting and staying on the bump. You have to look way forward and peel or pump away early to the trough behind or to the side. No Pumping the ding to drive over the one in front. You need a board you are super stable on which you can stand on in any conditions not foiling , if you can't stand on it comfortably you can't start. Mast and wing flex play a huge part for stability on a Sup . You don't want a soft flex mast or wings again it just makes it hard to balance on the board.

I use the Armstrong foils, and want to start DW SUP on perhaps an Egg or Kalama board . I weigh 68 kg and wing a 75 and 85L wingboard with the HS1250 and HA925 foils. I have the HA1125 and HS1550v2 for light wind days and low and high aspect stabilizer wings. Would I need something even bigger like the 1850 to have a better chance of foiling on a bay with wind swell in the meter height range? What volume of board would give a guy of my weight a good chance in these smaller wind swells? They usually come in sets of four or five and then there are some flats for a few seconds before another group comes by. It's sort of slow swell being in a bay with a 15-20 km fetch. Perhaps no amount of the right gear will work for me?

I would definetly getting a bigger size front wing and I don't know what size mast you are using but the shorter is easier (70/75cm).

Regarding board, a specific dw board such as Kalama or One Egg is what you need for sure, the size depends on your paddling skills.


A good option to get into dw foiling is also to buy a used foil such as Takuma 1900 LOL, Gofoil 280, Axis 1150 (this one is probably the best foil to start dw foiling). Those foils are not so popular so you can find a cheap one on craig list.

Hey guys. Does anyone know if the new Sabfoil W1110 would be any good for DW sup?

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frenchfoiler said..

dapara2004 said..

Piros said..
Yeah I'm about to go back and have another crack at DW paddling. Re the Sig/Uni 190, Takuma 1210 yes they are pretty popular but to start you need more. I'm looking at the Axis Ali mast & 1150 or maybe the 1300 as Bender mentioned. GoFoil also has some great wings (220,240) and killer stiff mast (or Sig /Uni 210 minimum, Takuma 1440 ) 100% stay away from the Army 1125 that would be a death sentence 2400 V2 way better pick . It's super technical to start and regardless of your fitness level you tear up your energy very quickly doing false starts and burn your legs and then start tea bagging ( falling in a lot) a longer purpose-built board also helps as well. ( don't use a ding board) Once you master the starts and start to read the ocean then you can start looking at smaller wings. Learn from my mistakes go bigger to start & HA wings are a bitch to learn on.

When you take the Ding out of the equation you times it by 3 making it harder for starting and staying on the bump. You have to look way forward and peel or pump away early to the trough behind or to the side. No Pumping the ding to drive over the one in front. You need a board you are super stable on which you can stand on in any conditions not foiling , if you can't stand on it comfortably you can't start. Mast and wing flex play a huge part for stability on a Sup . You don't want a soft flex mast or wings again it just makes it hard to balance on the board.

I use the Armstrong foils, and want to start DW SUP on perhaps an Egg or Kalama board . I weigh 68 kg and wing a 75 and 85L wingboard with the HS1250 and HA925 foils. I have the HA1125 and HS1550v2 for light wind days and low and high aspect stabilizer wings. Would I need something even bigger like the 1850 to have a better chance of foiling on a bay with wind swell in the meter height range? What volume of board would give a guy of my weight a good chance in these smaller wind swells? They usually come in sets of four or five and then there are some flats for a few seconds before another group comes by. It's sort of slow swell being in a bay with a 15-20 km fetch. Perhaps no amount of the right gear will work for me?

I would definetly getting a bigger size front wing and I don't know what size mast you are using but the shorter is easier (70/75cm).

Regarding board, a specific dw board such as Kalama or One Egg is what you need for sure, the size depends on your paddling skills.


A good option to get into dw foiling is also to buy a used foil such as Takuma 1900 LOL, Gofoil 280, Axis 1150 (this one is probably the best foil to start dw foiling). Those foils are not so popular so you can find a cheap one on craig list.

It might be less expensive for me to add another front foil wing to my existing Armstrong setup (85cm mast) . Armie HS1850 or HA1325 for DW in your opinion? That and a Kalama or Egg board. I am at 68kg and 1.67m in height. A 95L wingboard is as large as I would go for that sport. What do you think for length and volume in DW on a bay with only wind swell in the 3-5 foot range? (We have a 16 km fetch and swells come in groups of 3-5 with tight spacing and the groups are separated by perhaps 10m of smaller bumps). Definitely it'd be more difficult here than on the ocean or Hood River in Oregon, USA, but I am really interested for my local site.
Thank you very much in advance for additional advice!!!

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pohaku said..
Check out Dave Kalama's latest downwind shapes. Definitely "out there" and built for initial momentum/glide. Originally called the prone/ winging boards but have been getting more interest to
down wind them.

coming to Oz:
6'1"x 23", @ 105L
6'5"x 23.5", @ 116L

whats everyone else currently using to SUP DW & what do you weigh?

Do you find the tail releases well? Fast board because of it?

Working on take off in small bumps with a small wing (at least for me) Axis ART 1099/stb460 with shim.
I'm using a QB UV82 182cm (I'm 1m70).

It was really small, not much wind and the thick wetsuit didn't help at all...

www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/2232599053545026

www.instagram.com/p/Ca2PW6QoAy9/

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frenchfoiler said..
Working on take off in small bumps with a small wing (at least for me) Axis ART 1099/stb460 with shim.
I'm using a QB UV82 182cm (I'm 1m70).

It was really small, not much wind and the thick wetsuit didn't help at all...

www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/2232599053545026

www.instagram.com/p/Ca2PW6QoAy9/

Yeh I have had two DW runs on the 1099. Coming off the big 1300 the cardio effort to paddle the 1099 up is a shock. I find on the paddle up its very unforgiving if you miss time a pump or over muscle it. It's defiantly possible thought and once on foil the sense of speed and glide is next level.

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dapara2004 said..

It might be less expensive for me to add another front foil wing to my existing Armstrong setup (85cm mast) . Armie HS1850 or HA1325 for DW in your opinion? That and a Kalama or Egg board. I am at 68kg and 1.67m in height. A 95L wingboard is as large as I would go for that sport. What do you think for length and volume in DW on a bay with only wind swell in the 3-5 foot range? (We have a 16 km fetch and swells come in groups of 3-5 with tight spacing and the groups are separated by perhaps 10m of smaller bumps). Definitely it'd be more difficult here than on the ocean or Hood River in Oregon, USA, but I am really interested for my local site.
Thank you very much in advance for additional advice!!!

Bay runs are supposed to be easier than the ocean. Small fetch means the bumps line up nicely and can get steep. The problem is they're tight together meaning you don't have a lot of room. (I don't downwind so take this as you will) You will need a SLOWER foil for a bay run. If your foil is to fast you will constantly run into the back of the bump in front. The troughs between waves are very tight and you have to make sure to stay angled and high on the bump you are trying to ride.

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Bender said..

frenchfoiler said..
Working on take off in small bumps with a small wing (at least for me) Axis ART 1099/stb460 with shim.
I'm using a QB UV82 182cm (I'm 1m70).

It was really small, not much wind and the thick wetsuit didn't help at all...

www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/2232599053545026

www.instagram.com/p/Ca2PW6QoAy9/

Yeh I have had two DW runs on the 1099. Coming off the big 1300 the cardio effort to paddle the 1099 up is a shock. I find on the paddle up its very unforgiving if you miss time a pump or over muscle it. It's defiantly possible thought and once on foil the sense of speed and glide is next level.

Did you ever test the HPS 1050 on a dw-run? Wonder how it compares to 1099 on take-off

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danish said..

Bender said..

frenchfoiler said..
Working on take off in small bumps with a small wing (at least for me) Axis ART 1099/stb460 with shim.
I'm using a QB UV82 182cm (I'm 1m70).

It was really small, not much wind and the thick wetsuit didn't help at all...

www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/2232599053545026

www.instagram.com/p/Ca2PW6QoAy9/

Yeh I have had two DW runs on the 1099. Coming off the big 1300 the cardio effort to paddle the 1099 up is a shock. I find on the paddle up its very unforgiving if you miss time a pump or over muscle it. It's defiantly possible thought and once on foil the sense of speed and glide is next level.

Did you ever test the HPS 1050 on a dw-run? Wonder how it compares to 1099 on take-off

Yeh i had one on loan this last season and yes its easy to paddle up and very easy to use. paddles up easier than the 1099.

Pleased to report that I finally feel closer to mastering the sport of downwind foiling on a SUP. Yesterday I had my best run ever, in for us, marginal conditions 18-21kn with only one touch down on our 8km run. I did suffer from back leg burn which I hope will be remedied by moving mast a little further forward, but other than that, heart-rate was under control and it was actually less tiring than normal.

I put it down to 3 things:

1) The Kujira 1440 has been the game-changer for me. It's actually easier to paddle up than anything I have tried previously which includes Signature 210 + 250. + various others and my monster Foil-Smart 2600 Custom that I'd had the most success on.

The 1440 needs minimal bump and to get up is not as hard as I had feared. But the big difference is that once I'm up it keeps up with bumps and can easily be manouvered to stay in the right places and the super low stall speed allows it to find new energy with ease.

I use a 80cm mast and the Signature KD Mach1 tail with a slight shim for more lift.

2) I also think countless wing-downwinders has helped a lot. I'm much more confident as to where I must position myself and am now beginning to understand where the energy is, and how to exploit it. Before the wing, my downwind "on foil time", was so limited that it was taking forever to learn.

3) Making it harder, to make it easier - Going down to a 5'10 SUP foil board (110L) for waves has taught me to put the power down for more explosive take-offs as the 5'10 feels glued to the water with no glide. Going back on my 6'5 (110L) I suddenly have heaps of glide assisting take-offs.

I had almost given up on the concept of SUP foil downwinding, but now think I might actually prefer it to winging, time will tell, maybe it was just a lucky one....

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PeterP said..
Pleased to report that I finally feel closer to mastering the sport of downwind foiling on a SUP. Yesterday I had my best run ever, in for us, marginal conditions 18-21kn with only one touch down on our 8km run. I did suffer from back leg burn which I hope will be remedied by moving mast a little further forward, but other than that, heart-rate was under control and it was actually less tiring than normal.

I put it down to 3 things:

1) The Kujira 1440 has been the game-changer for me. It's actually easier to paddle up than anything I have tried previously which includes Signature 210 + 250. + various others and my monster Foil-Smart 2600 Custom that I'd had the most success on.

The 1440 needs minimal bump and to get up is not as hard as I had feared. But the big difference is that once I'm up it keeps up with bumps and can easily be manouvered to stay in the right places and the super low stall speed allows it to find new energy with ease.

I use a 80cm mast and the Signature KD Mach1 tail with a slight shim for more lift.

2) I also think countless wing-downwinders has helped a lot. I'm much more confident as to where I must position myself and am now beginning to understand where the energy is, and how to exploit it. Before the wing, my downwind "on foil time", was so limited that it was taking forever to learn.

3) Making it harder, to make it easier - Going down to a 5'10 SUP foil board (110L) for waves has taught me to put the power down for more explosive take-offs as the 5'10 feels glued to the water with no glide. Going back on my 6'5 (110L) I suddenly have heaps of glide assisting take-offs.

I had almost given up on the concept of SUP foil downwinding, but now think I might actually prefer it to winging, time will tell, maybe it was just a lucky one....

Nice ! I think a 75cm mast would things even easier.

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danish said..

Bender said..

frenchfoiler said..
Working on take off in small bumps with a small wing (at least for me) Axis ART 1099/stb460 with shim.
I'm using a QB UV82 182cm (I'm 1m70).

It was really small, not much wind and the thick wetsuit didn't help at all...

www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/2232599053545026

www.instagram.com/p/Ca2PW6QoAy9/

Yeh I have had two DW runs on the 1099. Coming off the big 1300 the cardio effort to paddle the 1099 up is a shock. I find on the paddle up its very unforgiving if you miss time a pump or over muscle it. It's defiantly possible thought and once on foil the sense of speed and glide is next level.

Did you ever test the HPS 1050 on a dw-run? Wonder how it compares to 1099 on take-off

1050 is way easier than 1099.

Even if you take off on the 1099 (which is harder than 1050), then you will need to speed up while the 1050 will be going even if it is slow and powerless.

Speaking of Axis : I would say 1150 for beginners or intermediate (light days) or bigger riders.

Then 1050 if you master the 1150, knowing you might still need the 1150 for light days.

Then 1099 if you master the 1050, knowing that you will still need the 1050 for light days.

I would say the same for Takuma : LOL 1900, then Kujira 1440, then Kujira 1210, then Kujira 1095 or 980.

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frenchfoiler said..

danish said..

Bender said..

frenchfoiler said..
Working on take off in small bumps with a small wing (at least for me) Axis ART 1099/stb460 with shim.
I'm using a QB UV82 182cm (I'm 1m70).

It was really small, not much wind and the thick wetsuit didn't help at all...

www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/2232599053545026

www.instagram.com/p/Ca2PW6QoAy9/

Yeh I have had two DW runs on the 1099. Coming off the big 1300 the cardio effort to paddle the 1099 up is a shock. I find on the paddle up its very unforgiving if you miss time a pump or over muscle it. It's defiantly possible thought and once on foil the sense of speed and glide is next level.

Did you ever test the HPS 1050 on a dw-run? Wonder how it compares to 1099 on take-off

1050 is way easier than 1099.

Even if you take off on the 1099 (which is harder than 1050), then you will need to speed up while the 1050 will be going even if it is slow and powerless.

Speaking of Axis : I would say 1150 for beginners or intermediate (light days) or bigger riders.

Then 1050 if you master the 1150, knowing you might still need the 1150 for light days.

Then 1099 if you master the 1050, knowing that you will still need the 1050 for light days.

I would say the same for Takuma : LOL 1900, then Kujira 1440, then Kujira 1210, then Kujira 1095 or 980.

Great info Greg,

This is also likewise with Naish. At my weight 91kg (200lbs+), I find I can not go past the 2140 on light days or tricky conditions and definitely on bay runs. The 1800 and 1400 are great step downs for more swell riding opportunities and higher speeds. The 1240 is fast and pumps like a weapon, but if you're bigger, you do not want to be making mistakes if you're a larger rider.

I often find even bigger than the front wing is the rear wing choice. A bigger rear can make the difference for bottom end and lowering stall speed.

One day if windy enough, I'd love to DW the 1040 or even the 914HA which would be amazing. Maybe next cyclone.

Good wind this week/weekend, looking forward to some DW'ing.

Ride safe,

JB

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Windgenuity said..

frenchfoiler said..

danish said..

Bender said..

frenchfoiler said..
Working on take off in small bumps with a small wing (at least for me) Axis ART 1099/stb460 with shim.
I'm using a QB UV82 182cm (I'm 1m70).

It was really small, not much wind and the thick wetsuit didn't help at all...

www.facebook.com/gregory.closier/videos/2232599053545026

www.instagram.com/p/Ca2PW6QoAy9/

Yeh I have had two DW runs on the 1099. Coming off the big 1300 the cardio effort to paddle the 1099 up is a shock. I find on the paddle up its very unforgiving if you miss time a pump or over muscle it. It's defiantly possible thought and once on foil the sense of speed and glide is next level.

Did you ever test the HPS 1050 on a dw-run? Wonder how it compares to 1099 on take-off

1050 is way easier than 1099.

Even if you take off on the 1099 (which is harder than 1050), then you will need to speed up while the 1050 will be going even if it is slow and powerless.

Speaking of Axis : I would say 1150 for beginners or intermediate (light days) or bigger riders.

Then 1050 if you master the 1150, knowing you might still need the 1150 for light days.

Then 1099 if you master the 1050, knowing that you will still need the 1050 for light days.

I would say the same for Takuma : LOL 1900, then Kujira 1440, then Kujira 1210, then Kujira 1095 or 980.

Great info Greg,

This is also likewise with Naish. At my weight 91kg (200lbs+), I find I can not go past the 2140 on light days or tricky conditions and definitely on bay runs. The 1800 and 1400 are great step downs for more swell riding opportunities and higher speeds. The 1240 is fast and pumps like a weapon, but if you're bigger, you do not want to be making mistakes if you're a larger rider.

I often find even bigger than the front wing is the rear wing choice. A bigger rear can make the difference for bottom end and lowering stall speed.

One day if windy enough, I'd love to DW the 1040 or even the 914HA which would be amazing. Maybe next cyclone.

Good wind this week/weekend, looking forward to some DW'ing.

Ride safe,

JB

Yes JB, rear wing also matters, a smaller wing paired with bigger rear and shim for exemple can work on slow days.

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frenchfoiler said..

Speaking of Axis : I would say 1150 for beginners or intermediate (light days) or bigger riders.

Then 1050 if you master the 1150, knowing you might still need the 1150 for light days.

Then 1099 if you master the 1050, knowing that you will still need the 1050 for light days.

I would say the same for Takuma : LOL 1900, then Kujira 1440, then Kujira 1210, then Kujira 1095 or 980.

And what about the Axis 1120 ? Would that be easier to paddle up than the 1150 for a 90 kg beginner when it is very light ?