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JonathanC said..
"1300 run was sitting until km #12"

Say whaaat!

Yeah, I am not sure what you mean by 12km sitting?

What was the wind strength for both. The 1300 is a monster, and I would say way too big for the Maliko run. The 1150 or 1050 would likely have been a good intermediate to the 1099.

JB

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Windgenuity said..Yeah, I am not sure what you mean by 12km sitting?

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hilly said..

Windgenuity said..Yeah, I am not sure what you mean by 12km sitting?

Oh, sitting !!

I wish I had the condition to clown around like this. I am so stoked when we finally get some wind, I don't want to waste it. I really need to get back to Maui.

12 km sitting .that sounds like harder work than standing

I did a nice light wind downwinder yesterday. When it is up to 15-18 knots I usually choose the LOL 1900 which goes pretty well in such small and slow bumps, above 18knots I use the Kujira 1440. DW foil is the best thing I have tried with SUP. I still have work to do but every time it gets easier and easier and it is always so much fun.

What do you think of the new trend from Dave Kalama and his crew, riding long skinny gun type board ??

I think some of the boards are 7'6 x 18.5.

I don't know what to think about it.

I have no problem catchning bumps on my new 6'0 x 21 even with a small 1000cm2 wing so I don't think I will need to go longer but I would like t have some reviews and comments.

www.instagram.com/p/CcJ6KR8loPO/

Hey anyone here successfully using the Armstrong foils HA to downwind sup foil? I can successfully complete dw sup runs on the axis png 1150 with 82cm mast/short fuse /460 tail already on light (sub 8 knots) and up to 20 knot days with this wing. This wing is just so slow compared to Armstrong that I use in the surf. I weigh 90kg. I want to use Armstrong since this is the gear I have for my next progression (Ha1325, Ha1525) but still waiting for a custom board with more forward boxes to try them. We have open ocean conditions with really big swell and light wind conditions not often more than 15 to 20 knots . Just want to know if it is possible to stay with Armie (fully equipped!) or just change to axis or lift :)...

Wookie,

I tried using the Armstrong 85cm mast and 1325HA, I'm 85KG. My current board 6'4"x29 aviator has boxes too far back for it to be easy for Downwind. When I did get it up and going it felt way too unstable, I think due to flex in the Armstrong mast with such wide wingspans. Lighter guys sub 75kg are definitely making Armstrong foils work Downwind. I switched to GoFoil RS and GT wings. Much easier and stiffer. I think current top choices in DW Foils are AXIS, GoFoil, Lift or Takuma. Pick any of those and you will have guaranteed success. I have a new skinnier longer board on the way so will try again with the Armie and see if it possible once I can get the foil forward.

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baldy123 said..
Wookie,

I tried using the Armstrong 85cm mast and 1325HA, I'm 85KG. My current board 6'4"x29 aviator has boxes too far back for it to be easy for Downwind. When I did get it up and going it felt way too unstable, I think due to flex in the Armstrong mast with such wide wingspans. Lighter guys sub 75kg are definitely making Armstrong foils work Downwind. I switched to GoFoil RS and GT wings. Much easier and stiffer. I think current top choices in DW Foils are AXIS, GoFoil, Lift or Takuma. Pick any of those and you will have guaranteed success. I have a new skinnier longer board on the way so will try again with the Armie and see if it possible once I can get the foil forward.

Yes I managed to once get the ha1325 going with 72cm mast as well on a light day but stalled out easily. 1850hs easier to get up but obviously not much glide. Let me know how you go with the Armie...I am also waiting on a longer skinnier more forward box board

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wookie777 said..
Hey anyone here successfully using the Armstrong foils HA to downwind sup foil? I can successfully complete dw sup runs on the axis png 1150 with 82cm mast/short fuse /460 tail already on light (sub 8 knots) and up to 20 knot days with this wing. This wing is just so slow compared to Armstrong that I use in the surf. I weigh 90kg. I want to use Armstrong since this is the gear I have for my next progression (Ha1325, Ha1525) but still waiting for a custom board with more forward boxes to try them. We have open ocean conditions with really big swell and light wind conditions not often more than 15 to 20 knots . Just want to know if it is possible to stay with Armie (fully equipped!) or just change to axis or lift :)...

I have a friend Romu good dw foiler on armstrong but it took him some time and he needed to modidfied his board with box super forward (46cm on a 5'10 I think). But Romu is light, super athletic and a really good allround paddler (sup, oc). Also his runs are kind of easy.

I think Armstrong are too technical for sup dw vs other brands (Axis, Takuma, Gofoil being the best in my opinion).

Maybe you should try with Axis 1050 and art 1099.

Once again, remmenber that big ocean swell without strong wind will always be challenging to ride. The reason why is the pop up, ground swell makes it harder compared to really short periode swell, and even once up, you can't keep up only on the ground swell, you need to mix things up between ground and wind swell. You actually need a foil with a nice stall speed because when you get stuck between two swell you loose all the speed. It is very technical to make no mistake when there is groind swell compared to a run with only wind.

Besides the Ono Ava are there any other specialised DW sup foil paddles? What are people preferences?

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Gustenzo said..
Besides the Ono Ava are there any other specialised DW sup foil paddles? What are people preferences?

I settled on the ona ava. Love it! I also have the black project hydro flow x and the older hydro for sup racing and they also good but just very weak and break easily if even touch the foil lightly. The quickblade much stronger and ALOT more power

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frenchfoiler said..

wookie777 said..
Hey anyone here successfully using the Armstrong foils HA to downwind sup foil? I can successfully complete dw sup runs on the axis png 1150 with 82cm mast/short fuse /460 tail already on light (sub 8 knots) and up to 20 knot days with this wing. This wing is just so slow compared to Armstrong that I use in the surf. I weigh 90kg. I want to use Armstrong since this is the gear I have for my next progression (Ha1325, Ha1525) but still waiting for a custom board with more forward boxes to try them. We have open ocean conditions with really big swell and light wind conditions not often more than 15 to 20 knots . Just want to know if it is possible to stay with Armie (fully equipped!) or just change to axis or lift :)...

I have a friend Romu good dw foiler on armstrong but it took him some time and he needed to modidfied his board with box super forward (46cm on a 5'10 I think). But Romu is light, super athletic and a really good allround paddler (sup, oc). Also his runs are kind of easy.

I think Armstrong are too technical for sup dw vs other brands (Axis, Takuma, Gofoil being the best in my opinion).

Maybe you should try with Axis 1050 and art 1099.

Once again, remmenber that big ocean swell without strong wind will always be challenging to ride. The reason why is the pop up, ground swell makes it harder compared to really short periode swell, and even once up, you can't keep up only on the ground swell, you need to mix things up between ground and wind swell. You actually need a foil with a nice stall speed because when you get stuck between two swell you loose all the speed. It is very technical to make no mistake when there is groind swell compared to a run with only wind.

Thanks for this Greg. This is my worry that I only see light dw foilers using Armstrong. I love Armstrong for sup surfing at my weight of 93kg but struggle with them on downwind sup due to light conditions and as you said stalling between the swell. Using Axis i have no problem. But I want to try Armstrong again when I have more forward boxes . Your measurement of 46cm is that from tail to front of box?

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wookie777 said..

frenchfoiler said..

wookie777 said..
Hey anyone here successfully using the Armstrong foils HA to downwind sup foil? I can successfully complete dw sup runs on the axis png 1150 with 82cm mast/short fuse /460 tail already on light (sub 8 knots) and up to 20 knot days with this wing. This wing is just so slow compared to Armstrong that I use in the surf. I weigh 90kg. I want to use Armstrong since this is the gear I have for my next progression (Ha1325, Ha1525) but still waiting for a custom board with more forward boxes to try them. We have open ocean conditions with really big swell and light wind conditions not often more than 15 to 20 knots . Just want to know if it is possible to stay with Armie (fully equipped!) or just change to axis or lift :)...

I have a friend Romu good dw foiler on armstrong but it took him some time and he needed to modidfied his board with box super forward (46cm on a 5'10 I think). But Romu is light, super athletic and a really good allround paddler (sup, oc). Also his runs are kind of easy.

I think Armstrong are too technical for sup dw vs other brands (Axis, Takuma, Gofoil being the best in my opinion).

Maybe you should try with Axis 1050 and art 1099.

Once again, remmenber that big ocean swell without strong wind will always be challenging to ride. The reason why is the pop up, ground swell makes it harder compared to really short periode swell, and even once up, you can't keep up only on the ground swell, you need to mix things up between ground and wind swell. You actually need a foil with a nice stall speed because when you get stuck between two swell you loose all the speed. It is very technical to make no mistake when there is groind swell compared to a run with only wind.

Thanks for this Greg. This is my worry that I only see light dw foilers using Armstrong. I love Armstrong for sup surfing at my weight of 93kg but struggle with them on downwind sup due to light conditions and as you said stalling between the swell. Using Axis i have no problem. But I want to try Armstrong again when I have more forward boxes . Your measurement of 46cm is that from tail to front of box?

Measurement is front tail to back of the box.

I would recommand you contact Oscar, he will give you more informations about Armstrong for dw. He is a lighter guy but at least he should be able to give some good pointers.

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frenchfoiler said..

wookie777 said..

frenchfoiler said..

wookie777 said..
Hey anyone here successfully using the Armstrong foils HA to downwind sup foil? I can successfully complete dw sup runs on the axis png 1150 with 82cm mast/short fuse /460 tail already on light (sub 8 knots) and up to 20 knot days with this wing. This wing is just so slow compared to Armstrong that I use in the surf. I weigh 90kg. I want to use Armstrong since this is the gear I have for my next progression (Ha1325, Ha1525) but still waiting for a custom board with more forward boxes to try them. We have open ocean conditions with really big swell and light wind conditions not often more than 15 to 20 knots . Just want to know if it is possible to stay with Armie (fully equipped!) or just change to axis or lift :)...

I have a friend Romu good dw foiler on armstrong but it took him some time and he needed to modidfied his board with box super forward (46cm on a 5'10 I think). But Romu is light, super athletic and a really good allround paddler (sup, oc). Also his runs are kind of easy.

I think Armstrong are too technical for sup dw vs other brands (Axis, Takuma, Gofoil being the best in my opinion).

Maybe you should try with Axis 1050 and art 1099.

Once again, remmenber that big ocean swell without strong wind will always be challenging to ride. The reason why is the pop up, ground swell makes it harder compared to really short periode swell, and even once up, you can't keep up only on the ground swell, you need to mix things up between ground and wind swell. You actually need a foil with a nice stall speed because when you get stuck between two swell you loose all the speed. It is very technical to make no mistake when there is groind swell compared to a run with only wind.

Thanks for this Greg. This is my worry that I only see light dw foilers using Armstrong. I love Armstrong for sup surfing at my weight of 93kg but struggle with them on downwind sup due to light conditions and as you said stalling between the swell. Using Axis i have no problem. But I want to try Armstrong again when I have more forward boxes . Your measurement of 46cm is that from tail to front of box?

Measurement is front tail to back of the box.

I would recommand you contact Oscar, he will give you more informations about Armstrong for dw. He is a lighter guy but at least he should be able to give some good pointers.

Yes have chatted to him already but yeh he is super light 65kg vs my 93 kg !

Autumn has started very well

Looks like the cuda's rear end has been given some tail kick! Some Awesome pics of DK and Co. on mauitomos insta page.

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baldy123 said..
Looks like the cuda's rear end has been given some tail kick! Some Awesome pics of DK and Co. on mauitomos insta page.

I think the kicker is made for those who use their board for real wave riding? If you look at this pic a non-kicker tail would catch?

www.instagram.com/p/CjarC0vI5Lu/

7'6 x 18 - 86L, really good for tricky open ocean dw

Awesome clips FF! Really shows how broad a spectrum of conditions where this shape works. Can I ask what your weight is? And the boards' weight?

Interesting KT shape with the step:

www.instagram.com/p/Cj670W8rzqz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Touch down recovery

www.instagram.com/p/Cj_MqbQuS1x/

Touch down recovery

www.instagram.com/p/Cj_MqbQuS1x/

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frenchfoiler said..
Touch down recovery

www.instagram.com/p/Cj_MqbQuS1x/

Did the same on my 6' while reaching 32kph on gps watch:

www.instagram.com/reel/Cj8dT-_g5iI/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Finally, after 4 years of hacking, swearing, frustration and moments of progress, I today managed to get up and foil our shorter 8km run from start to finish without coming off foil. Our Milnerton run is very windy but somehow not the easiest of runs. Nate van Vuuren and Tom King always made it look too easy but pretty much everyone else have given up and are just doing it on the wings or with jetski assist.....

Anyways, if in doubt, get the right equipment, persevere and hopefully this wasn't a once off......Thanks Frenchfoiler and others for all the tips and words of encouragement along the way.

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PeterP said..
Finally, after 4 years of hacking, swearing, frustration and moments of progress, I today managed to get up and foil our shorter 8km run from start to finish without coming off foil. Our Milnerton run is very windy but somehow not the easiest of runs. Nate van Vuuren and Tom King always made it look too easy but pretty much everyone else have given up and are just doing it on the wings or with jetski assist.....

Anyways, if in doubt, get the right equipment, persevere and hopefully this wasn't a once off......Thanks Frenchfoiler and others for all the tips and words of encouragement along the way.

Congratulations! Your perseverance payed off. DW Sup was/is hard to learn. Everyone learns at a different pace. Being humble helps as there are times you wonder why you even try but in the end it's all worth it. The thrill of riding for miles and miles without stopping is something few will ever understand. This coming from a 63yr old .

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SupMaui said..

PeterP said..
Anyways, if in doubt, get the right equipment, persevere

This coming from a 63yr old .

So what you guys are saying is I can't use being 61yo as an excuse?

Congrats PeterP hopefully you've cracked the code.

Guess I will have to persevere.

What gear did you end up succeeding on ?

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kobo said..
What gear did you end up succeeding on ?

Kujira 1440 was the most important piece in the puzzle, I've tried everything up to 2600 Foill-smart. The 2600 got us up but was just too slow and cumbersome, so couldn't sustain. First attempt, years back, was on a 1600 low-aspect - never got up on foil.

New board, an AK prototype Glider downwind/light wind wing board 6'5 x 25 115L (6.8kg) - this board still needs some refinement to make launches a bit easier, but once up, the balance and zero-impact on touchdowns is a game changer. Hardly any lactic burning back-leg and no more getting thrown off on high speed touchdowns.

I tested numerous tail wings and ended up with a KD Signature Mach1 for best lift/glide with small shim. I'm using the Kujira on a 80cm AK mast as it is stiffer than the std. Takuma mast. Trim wrt mast placement and fuselage angle in relation to board has been essential and a lot of trial and error, but I think I got it now (not to be tinkered with for while).

I'm 57yo 88kg dry so well into 90kg's with full wetsuit we use here. I've been using the same set-up in small waves and even winging, and I think this helps tremendously with familiarity.

Lastly, our beloved South Easter has dished up 25-35kn 3x this past week and more wind = more easy!