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Carantoc said...It's spelt Correct.
How do you know what Twitter is 'worth' now ?
I'd say it was worth about 1/4 of what he paid for it when he paid for it.
He made his takeover offer at about a 10% premium to the share price at the time which, like many things tech, was probably massively overvalued on a long term basis due to short term speculation
.Now it is private and doesn't report earnings how do you value it ?
Oh - and I'd suspect Musk's "value" of it has nothing to do with dollars.

You are pretty close to the mark according to a CNN/Fidelity report.
"New YorkCNN -
The social media platform formerly known as Twitter is worth almost 80% less than two years ago when Elon Musk bought it, according to estimates from investment giant Fidelity.X no longer trades publicly after Musk shelled out $44 billion to take it private in October 2022.However, Fidelity discloses what it believes is the value of its shares of X, and those estimates serve as a closely watched barometer for the overall health of the company.As of the end of August, those shares were worth just $4.2 million, according to a Sunday filing by Fidelity's Blue Chip Growth Fund.That new estimate marks a 24% drop in value from what Fidelity estimated as of the end of July. And it represents a staggering decline of 79% from the $19.66 million that Fidelity estimated the shares were worth in October 2022 when Musk acquired Twitter.The new valuation from Fidelity implies that it believes X is now worth just $9.4 billion - a far cry from the $44 billion that Musk paid. Other investors could value X differently."
edition.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-fidelity/index.html

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Carantoc said..
It's spelt Correct.

There is a difference between a typographical error and a spelling error. You are, of course, very familiar with the latter.

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remery said..

Carantoc said..
It's spelt Correct.

There is a difference between a typographical error and a spelling error. You are, of course, very familiar with the latter.

I think that's the next level up; being able to clearly recognise when something is a mistake versus a spelling error. That requires some understanding of the author and be able to apply that to what they have written.

I find that these sorts of problems are solved with the 'hide posts from this user' feature.

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remery said..
There is a difference between a typographical error and a spelling error. You are, of course, very familiar with the latter.

Indeed, very familiar with both.

Mainly because you point them all out with unwavering fervour.

What's the difference exactly ? Is it the same totally different thing as being wrong versus standing corrected ?

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Carantoc said

Indeed, very familiar with both.

Mainly because you point them all out with unwavering fervour.

What's the difference exactly ? Is it the same totally different thing as being wrong versus standing corrected ?

That's gunna upset the pedant.

"...polled 9,593 US residents using online and phone surveys between 21 and 27 October. Participants were asked to indicate how much they agreed with statements about scientists' intelligence, communication skills, compassion for the public and engagement in policy.

Almost 90% of survey respondents who identified themselves as Democrats indicated a belief that scientists act in the public's best interest. The figure for Republicans was 66% - 5 percentage points higher than last year."www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03723-5

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remery said..
"...polled 9,593 US residents using online and phone surveys between 21 and 27 October. Participants were asked to indicate how much they agreed with statements about scientists' intelligence, communication skills, compassion for the public and engagement in policy.

Almost 90% of survey respondents who identified themselves as Democrats indicated a belief that scientists act in the public's best interest. The figure for Republicans was 66% - 5 percentage points higher than last year."www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03723-5

Critical thinking isn't about belief.

^ The study used questionnaires to determine participants' opinions/beliefs about science and scientists. The pre-print is here:osf.io/preprints/osf/6ay7s

O.M.G. I think I finally made it.

I got my very own meme on the internet. Made just especially for me.

I never knew you guys cared so much. Oh stop it, Or you will make me cry....

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cammd said..
Critical thinking isn't about belief.

If you don't have belief what do you have ?

Interesting nobody mentioned this :

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-16/covid-vaccine-inconvenient-patients-astrazeneca-pfizer-lawsuit/104568434

In the years since he served as deputy chief medical officer, Nick Coatsworth has also been reflecting a lot.... "But because [vaccination] was the way out of the restrictions and the lockdowns, you can see how there could have been a tendency across the whole of the medical community to underestimate the side effects that were occurring."

Carantoc didn't have to reflect, Carantoc just beLIEved this at the time. The politicans, with a wilful lack of questioning from the medical scientists, put themselves into a position where the vaccines were the only (politically acceptable) way out. They had to work. The suggestion of anything else was not acceptable. So you better believe it wasn't.

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remery said..
^ The study used questionnaires to determine participants' opinions/beliefs about science and scientists. The pre-print is here:osf.io/preprints/osf/6ay7s

Did it use the same rigorous and accurate survey techniques used in all the polls before November 5th to predict the outcome of the 2024 US presidential election ?

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cammd said..

remery said..
"...polled 9,593 US residents using online and phone surveys between 21 and 27 October. Participants were asked to indicate how much they agreed with statements about scientists' intelligence, communication skills, compassion for the public and engagement in policy.

Almost 90% of survey respondents who identified themselves as Democrats indicated a belief that scientists act in the public's best interest. The figure for Republicans was 66% - 5 percentage points higher than last year."www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03723-5

Critical thinking isn't about belief.

In Remery's case it's all about belief. Which accounts for the piety.

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Carantoc said..

Did it use the same rigorous and accurate survey techniques used in all the polls before November 5th to predict the outcome of the 2024 US presidential election ?

The survey techniques and analysis are all in the preprint.

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remery said..

Carantoc said..

Did it use the same rigorous and accurate survey techniques used in all the polls before November 5th to predict the outcome of the 2024 US presidential election ?

The survey techniques and analysis are all in the preprint.

Science is not supposed to be believed, its supposed to be questioned. The results show democrats (and by extension all those inflicted with leftardary) struggle to think critically when compared to conservatives.

Anyway that's my belief.

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remery said..
The survey techniques and analysis are all in the preprint.

The preprint ?

So.... not only was your critical thinking era short-lived but also your requirement for these things to be peer reviewed.

Even the Beetles psychedelic era lasted longer.

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japie said..
In Remery's case it's all about belief. Which accounts for the piety.

Argh ****e-it.

Turns out I'm not special.

It seems like everyone has their very own internet meme.

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Science is not supposed to be believed, its supposed to be questioned. The results show democrats (and by extension all those inflicted with leftardary) struggle to think critically when compared to conservatives.

Anyway that's my belief.

Fig. 5. Psychological predictors mapped into the integrative psychological model of susceptibility to health misinformation.

"Political ideology is another type of value. It typically runs in a continuum from very liberal, supporting values such as fairness and diversity, to very conservative, supporting values such as personal responsibility and tradition. Many studies (k = 15) examined the relationship between political ideology and susceptibility to health misinformation. Eight studies found that being politically conservative predicts greater susceptibility to health misinformation."
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"Identifying as a Conservative or Republican party member predicts increased susceptibility to health misinformation, as does national narcissism, the tendency to view one's country as superior and deserving external recognition."

Why do people believe health misinformation and who is at risk? A systematic review of individual differences in susceptibility to health misinformation
Xiaoli Nan, Yuan Wang, Kathryn Thier
Social Science & Medicine Volume 314, December 2022, 115398
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953622007043

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remery said..

cammd said..

Science is not supposed to be believed, its supposed to be questioned. The results show democrats (and by extension all those inflicted with leftardary) struggle to think critically when compared to conservatives.

Anyway that's my belief.

Fig. 5. Psychological predictors mapped into the integrative psychological model of susceptibility to health misinformation.

"Political ideology is another type of value. It typically runs in a continuum from very liberal, supporting values such as fairness and diversity, to very conservative, supporting values such as personal responsibility and tradition. Many studies (k = 15) examined the relationship between political ideology and susceptibility to health misinformation. Eight studies found that being politically conservative predicts greater susceptibility to health misinformation."
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"Identifying as a Conservative or Republican party member predicts increased susceptibility to health misinformation, as does national narcissism, the tendency to view one's country as superior and deserving external recognition."

Why do people believe health misinformation and who is at risk? A systematic review of individual differences in susceptibility to health misinformation
Xiaoli Nan, Yuan Wang, Kathryn Thier
Social Science & Medicine Volume 314, December 2022, 115398
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953622007043

Sounds like misinformation to me

^^^ Does your browser turn graphs into songs? That's what "sounds like" implies

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Mr Milk said..
^^^ Does your browser turn graphs into songs? That's what "sounds like" implies

Fig. 5. Psychological predictors mapped into the integrative psychological model of susceptibility to health misinformation.

I think "Sounds like Misinformation" would be a good name for a song about that graph

Television (insert contemporary forms of media Google, socials, etc...) is altering the meaning of 'being informed' by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation. Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information - misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information - information that creates the illusion of knowing something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing.

Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business
Neil Postman

So I was reading Dr Suess to my little girl last night and it occurred to me that it would be a very good style for Donald Trump. I asked ChatGPT to do me up a poem and I think they're a great match...

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Oh, the deals we could make, the walls we could build,
With the greatest of hands, I'm so very skilled.
I'm smarter than smart, I know all the best,
Ask anyone-they'll say I'm better than the rest!

I have words, big words, the best you've seen,
Like "tremendous," "huge," and "2024 machine."
They said I couldn't, but look at me now,
I'm bigger than anyone, just ask the cow!

The cow said, "Moo," and the media lied,
But I'm here to tell you, the truth is on my side.
Fake news, fake news, they'll twist what I say,
But trust me, folks, I'll make it okay.

A wall so tall, it touches the sky,
And everyone loves it, don't even ask why.
China, oh China, you know they're not fair,
But I'll make a deal, and I'll do it with flair.

I've got plans, big plans, better than yours,
With gold-plated carpets on all my floors.
Green eggs and ham? No, that's not my thing,
I prefer steaks with a gold-dusted ring.

So here's my advice, and it's totally great:
Vote for me now; don't hesitate!
Because no one builds poems, or walls, like I do-
Believe me, believe me, you'll love it too.

its still just a gamble.
30k is a fair chnuk.
but would u bet 300 000 of savings?
what about being leveraged to 3 million? How would u sleep?because u only put in 30k and its quadrupled u have done great. it may quadruple again and by then it will be proper money

but i couldnt sleep at night leveraged into that "asset" for anything other than a punt. It s like when my mates gloat about a winning on a horse or at a casino. I dont experience envy because i simply dont accept the risk in the first place.

I'll sleep nice and sound knowing i am highly leveraged into the australian property market. my portfolio is all purchased at below the cost of replacing the house in materials alone. I feel safe. I see significant growth.

I do have a tiny amount of BTC, doge etc as a punt. Its gone horribly. Just like any individual hot tip share I ever bought in my life.

I went big (for a punt - like 500) into cumrocket. probably worth 5c now.

Doh i.thought i was typing that in the bitcoin thread

The irony of the thread title wasn't lost on us mate

So...

Joe has pardoned 39 criminals convicted of crimes such as drug offences and who have since turned their lives around in the "largest single-day act of clemency in US history".

I never knew he had that many children.

Still, seems like there might be still some hope for remery to be pardoned for his crimes against the seabreeze forum and to have his numerous bans removed from his criminal record. Hey remery, maybe pledge a donation to Kamala2028 and see if that does the trick ?

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/12/12/clemency-recipient-list-7/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump#:~:text=He%20frequently%20granted%20executive%20clemency,as%20well%20as%20Bernard%20Kerik.

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cammd said..

remery said..
"...polled 9,593 US residents using online and phone surveys between 21 and 27 October. Participants were asked to indicate how much they agreed with statements about scientists' intelligence, communication skills, compassion for the public and engagement in policy.

Almost 90% of survey respondents who identified themselves as Democrats indicated a belief that scientists act in the public's best interest. The figure for Republicans was 66% - 5 percentage points higher than last year."www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03723-5

Critical thinking isn't about belief.

The critical thinking has to be at the same level of logic and analysis as the science one is criticising. When they say "question the science" it doesn't mean just reject what you don't understand.

The funny (but depressing) thing is that while you make BS comments about leftards, on the occasions I have tried to actually use simple historical fact with right wingers they have denied the simple and well documented facts and instead sometimes descended to a fantasy world where they claim that (for example) 70 year old military aircraft serial numbers and records are basically conspiracies.