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Carantoc said..

cammd said..
Critical thinking isn't about belief.

If you don't have belief what do you have ?

Interesting nobody mentioned this :

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-16/covid-vaccine-inconvenient-patients-astrazeneca-pfizer-lawsuit/104568434

In the years since he served as deputy chief medical officer, Nick Coatsworth has also been reflecting a lot.... "But because [vaccination] was the way out of the restrictions and the lockdowns, you can see how there could have been a tendency across the whole of the medical community to underestimate the side effects that were occurring."

Carantoc didn't have to reflect, Carantoc just beLIEved this at the time. The politicans, with a wilful lack of questioning from the medical scientists, put themselves into a position where the vaccines were the only (politically acceptable) way out. They had to work. The suggestion of anything else was not acceptable. So you better believe it wasn't.

So do you now believe what the ABC says about vaccines? Or do you reject most of what they say, and only accept the little bits that suit you?

Many scientists accept that there are very rare side effects from vaccines. The fact that they exist is a documented fact. The vast majority are still better off if people vaccinate.

If you don't understand that people as a whole can be better off even when a tiny percentage of people get sick, then I pity you.

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Chris 249 said..

Carantoc said..

cammd said..
Critical thinking isn't about belief.

If you don't have belief what do you have ?

Interesting nobody mentioned this :

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-16/covid-vaccine-inconvenient-patients-astrazeneca-pfizer-lawsuit/104568434

In the years since he served as deputy chief medical officer, Nick Coatsworth has also been reflecting a lot.... "But because [vaccination] was the way out of the restrictions and the lockdowns, you can see how there could have been a tendency across the whole of the medical community to underestimate the side effects that were occurring."

Carantoc didn't have to reflect, Carantoc just beLIEved this at the time. The politicans, with a wilful lack of questioning from the medical scientists, put themselves into a position where the vaccines were the only (politically acceptable) way out. They had to work. The suggestion of anything else was not acceptable. So you better believe it wasn't.

So do you now believe what the ABC says about vaccines? Or do you reject most of what they say, and only accept the little bits that suit you?

Many scientists accept that there are very rare side effects from vaccines. The fact that they exist is a documented fact. The vast majority are still better off if people vaccinate.

If you don't understand that people as a whole can be better off even when a tiny percentage of people get sick, then I pity you.

How do you feel about Sky News? Lots of opinions on there, but not everything they say is false.


When the government puts mandates in place that either directly or indirectly force people to get vaccinated, then one death or proven injury is too much.

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Chris 249 said..

Carantoc said..

cammd said..
Critical thinking isn't about belief.

If you don't have belief what do you have ?

Interesting nobody mentioned this :

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-16/covid-vaccine-inconvenient-patients-astrazeneca-pfizer-lawsuit/104568434

In the years since he served as deputy chief medical officer, Nick Coatsworth has also been reflecting a lot.... "But because [vaccination] was the way out of the restrictions and the lockdowns, you can see how there could have been a tendency across the whole of the medical community to underestimate the side effects that were occurring."

Carantoc didn't have to reflect, Carantoc just beLIEved this at the time. The politicans, with a wilful lack of questioning from the medical scientists, put themselves into a position where the vaccines were the only (politically acceptable) way out. They had to work. The suggestion of anything else was not acceptable. So you better believe it wasn't.

So do you now believe what the ABC says about vaccines? Or do you reject most of what they say, and only accept the little bits that suit you?

Many scientists accept that there are very rare side effects from vaccines. The fact that they exist is a documented fact. The vast majority are still better off if people vaccinate.

If you don't understand that people as a whole can be better off even when a tiny percentage of people get sick, then I pity you.

The ABC is a lying biased activist organisation pretending to be objective, it should not be funded by taxpayers.

It lurches from disgrace to disgrace.

I think its days are numbered anyway but do taxpayers a favour and defund it now.

If it truly adds value to the community it will stand on it own merits...... but probably not.

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Subsonic said..

Chris 249 said..

Carantoc said..

cammd said..
Critical thinking isn't about belief.

If you don't have belief what do you have ?

Interesting nobody mentioned this :

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-16/covid-vaccine-inconvenient-patients-astrazeneca-pfizer-lawsuit/104568434

In the years since he served as deputy chief medical officer, Nick Coatsworth has also been reflecting a lot.... "But because [vaccination] was the way out of the restrictions and the lockdowns, you can see how there could have been a tendency across the whole of the medical community to underestimate the side effects that were occurring."

Carantoc didn't have to reflect, Carantoc just beLIEved this at the time. The politicans, with a wilful lack of questioning from the medical scientists, put themselves into a position where the vaccines were the only (politically acceptable) way out. They had to work. The suggestion of anything else was not acceptable. So you better believe it wasn't.

So do you now believe what the ABC says about vaccines? Or do you reject most of what they say, and only accept the little bits that suit you?

Many scientists accept that there are very rare side effects from vaccines. The fact that they exist is a documented fact. The vast majority are still better off if people vaccinate.

If you don't understand that people as a whole can be better off even when a tiny percentage of people get sick, then I pity you.

How do you feel about Sky News? Lots of opinions on there, but not everything they say is false.


When the government puts mandates in place that either directly or indirectly force people to get vaccinated, then one death or proven injury is too much.

The point about the ABC is that it's ludicrous to say "the ABC says it so it must be true" when one has repeatedly rejected what the same source says earlier.

So if say 20 million lives were saved by an indirect mandate, then one proven injury equivalent to a sore toe would be too much? That is a very strange claim, but is exactly what you are saying.

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Chris 249 said..
So do you now believe what the ABC says about vaccines? Or do you reject most of what they say, and only accept the little bits that suit you?

Whoaaa calm down, calm down.

I think you may be a little confused. The ABC didn't say anything about vaccines. The ABC just reported what Nick Coatsworth said. Because that is what ABC News should do - report was has been said, what has happened, what is occuring. Not "say stuff about things". Saying stuff about things is what we do here.

So do I beLIEve the ABC News that Nick Coatsworth said what they said he said - well yep I did, although I'll confess I didn't actually hear it in person with my own ears.

I am not sure what you think I don't belive what the ABC has "said". I can't think of any times I haven't belived what the ABC has reported on did happen. And not too many times that I have not believed what ABC has "said". My memory fades but I do recall I did reject ABC/RMIT Fact Check conclusion that some countries "run on 100% renewable", which did turn out to be confirmed as incorrect by many other people for the very reasons I suggested. Perhaps that is something they "said" ?

My rejection of notions that covid vax will "stop you catching covid" was not about what the ABC "said" but what was assereted by politicans. Which also turns out to be correct.

Are you able to provide an example where you beLIEve I have chosen to not belive and then also belive what the ABC has "said" based on simply reinforcing any preconceived notions or opinions I may have ??

The ABC is great. It should be be better. It shouldn't get so offended by constructive criticism. It shouldn't defend the actions of some of its staff on the basis that criticism of those actions is equal to calling for the ABC to be disbanded. It shouldn't try to compete against commercial broadcasters or media companies. It shouldn't try to be everything to everyone. It should deliver its services within a budget. It should be fair and apolitical. But it should also be dynamic, progressive, informative and contribute to the public debate.

If you don't understand that the ABC as a whole can be better even when a tiny percentage of it is criticised, then I pity you.

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Subsonic said..

Chris 249 said..

Carantoc said..

cammd said..
Critical thinking isn't about belief.

If you don't have belief what do you have ?

Interesting nobody mentioned this :

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-16/covid-vaccine-inconvenient-patients-astrazeneca-pfizer-lawsuit/104568434

In the years since he served as deputy chief medical officer, Nick Coatsworth has also been reflecting a lot.... "But because [vaccination] was the way out of the restrictions and the lockdowns, you can see how there could have been a tendency across the whole of the medical community to underestimate the side effects that were occurring."

Carantoc didn't have to reflect, Carantoc just beLIEved this at the time. The politicans, with a wilful lack of questioning from the medical scientists, put themselves into a position where the vaccines were the only (politically acceptable) way out. They had to work. The suggestion of anything else was not acceptable. So you better believe it wasn't.

So do you now believe what the ABC says about vaccines? Or do you reject most of what they say, and only accept the little bits that suit you?

Many scientists accept that there are very rare side effects from vaccines. The fact that they exist is a documented fact. The vast majority are still better off if people vaccinate.

If you don't understand that people as a whole can be better off even when a tiny percentage of people get sick, then I pity you.

How do you feel about Sky News? Lots of opinions on there, but not everything they say is false.


When the government puts mandates in place that either directly or indirectly force people to get vaccinated, then one death or proven injury is too much.

Sky is Fox light. If you like Sky you'll love Fox or even Pravda if you understand Russian.