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crustysailor
crustysailor

VIC

871 posts

29 Jan 2021 1:20pm
there we go 50.5
thank very much
sausage
sausage

QLD

4873 posts

29 Jan 2021 12:44pm
WOW....was it nerves for American Magic?
sausage
sausage

QLD

4873 posts

29 Jan 2021 12:54pm
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crustysailor said..
there we go 50.5
thank very much






sausage
sausage

QLD

4873 posts

29 Jan 2021 1:44pm
American not so magic....A M control issues and Luna Rossa's VMG speeds just superior. Shame first two SF races haven't been closer.

Incredible that Luna Rossa was 45 seconds faster for the 2nd race (R1: 27min 42sec / R2 26min 57sec)...considering wind was lighter but I suppose more in control?
Ian K
Ian K

WA

4164 posts

29 Jan 2021 11:53am
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sausage said..


crustysailor said..
there we go 50.5
thank very much









I'm surprised you didn't post that data sheet up on the GPS Speedsailing forum Sausage. American Magic would take the points over there.
crustysailor
crustysailor

VIC

871 posts

29 Jan 2021 4:31pm
yep, it just kept getting faster.
Imagine if they had the larger jib like LR.
A good effort considering the work they hard to do.

(And a good test for the boat as well.)
Near as buggery to 100kms/hour still spins me out.

I cant wait until a few years down the track when these boats join the other old Ac boats in Auckland Harbour taking tourists out.
I'd pay for that.
sausage
sausage

QLD

4873 posts

29 Jan 2021 4:28pm
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crustysailor said..
yep, it just kept getting faster.
Imagine if they had the larger jib like LR.
A good effort considering the work they hard to do.

(And a good test for the boat as well.)
Near as buggery to 100kms/hour still spins me out.

I cant wait until a few years down the track when these boats join the other old Ac boats in Auckland Harbour taking tourists out.
I'd pay for that.


Near as buggery spins the Americans out too (literally)

BTW - I'd give my left one to ride on one today (maybe not with Dean at the helm though)
515
515

515

875 posts

30 Jan 2021 10:00am
NE today so course A and can see from my place with binoculars
Come on Dean its redemption day and shouldn't have the control problems of yesterday.
Need to get aggressive in the pre start!
sausage
sausage

QLD

4873 posts

30 Jan 2021 1:21pm
Argh nothing going right for Barker and A M
Chris_M
Chris_M

2132 posts

30 Jan 2021 11:25am
Gutted for the Yanks
Brent in Qld
Brent in Qld

WA

1410 posts

30 Jan 2021 11:50am
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Chris_M said..
Gutted for the Yanks



NYYC had the cup forever & are finding out it ain't so easy to get through a challenger series. Hope they stick with it though, plenty of great sailors from the US and it seems weird to not have an American team in the AC.
sausage
sausage

QLD

4873 posts

30 Jan 2021 2:17pm
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Chris_M said..
Gutted for the Yanks



Not so gutted for the Yanks but..................Barker would have to be the unluckiest bastard in AC history
Skipper/helmsman 2003: lost 5-0 to Alinghi
Skipper /helmsman 2007: 2 races up but lost 2-5 to Alinghi
Slipper / Helmsman 2013: NZ 8 - 1 up in a first to 9 final to then lose it 9-8 to Spithall (USA) after almost winning ultimate race only to have wind die and time limit expire only by minutes from finish line
Skipper / Helmsman Japan syndicate 2017: Was up against Artemis in SF 3-1 to lose 3-5 for right to sail against the Ziwis in LVC for the right to challenge USA in the Cup
And then to today!
Harrow
Harrow

NSW

4521 posts

30 Jan 2021 5:51pm
I don't get out on the water as often as I'd like, so I guess I missed the moment that the sailing fraternity started using the words "puff" and "puffy" instead of "gust" and "gusty".

I feel like I'm watching a netball player commentate a cricket match.
Ian K
Ian K

WA

4164 posts

30 Jan 2021 3:29pm
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Harrow said..
I don't get out on the water as often as I'd like, so I guess I missed the moment that the sailing fraternity started using the words "puff" and "puffy" instead of "gust" and "gusty".

I feel like I'm watching a netball player commentate a cricket match.




It's all a matter of scale. there's a meteorological definition of "gust" on the www.

"Definition[edit]The wind is measured using an anemometer or estimated with a windsock. The average value of the latter is generally measured over a period of 2 minutes before the meteorological observation according to the World Meteorological Organization. Any significant variation at this mean wind during the ten minutes preceding the observation are noted as gusts in messages such as METAR.[2]It is generally reported in METAR when the peak wind speed reaches at least 16 knots and the variation in wind speed between the peaks and average wind is at least 9 to 10 knots.[1][3] In marine meteorology, the top speed of a burst is expressed in meters per second (m/s) or in knots, while the Beaufort scale is used for reporting the mean speed. When the maximum speed exceeds the average speed by 10 to 15 knots, the term gusts is used while strong gusts is used for departure of 15 to 25 knots, and violent gusts when it exceeds 25 knots.[3]. "

These boats are sailing in puffs




"puff of wind
(meteorology)
A slight local breeze which causes a patch of ripples on the surface of the sea.McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Scientific & Technical Terms, 6E, Copyright ? 2003 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc."







longwinded
longwinded

WA

347 posts

31 Jan 2021 2:52am
I'd like to say that I am sad American Magic had left the race for the cup. They have shown nothing but pure class throughout and beyond my disdain for returning to lead mines for an AC vessel, would've been my preferred Victor against the poms or the fancy wogs
LeStef
LeStef

ACT

514 posts

31 Jan 2021 10:24am
Is this the first time that there are no American boat in the AC final ?
Ian K
Ian K

WA

4164 posts

31 Jan 2021 10:20am
Harrow
Harrow

NSW

4521 posts

31 Jan 2021 7:24pm
I expect the racing between Luna Rossa and INEOS is going to be incredible. Absolutely can't wait!
Chris_M
Chris_M

2132 posts

31 Jan 2021 6:38pm
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Harrow said..
I expect the racing between Luna Rossa and INEOS is going to be incredible. Absolutely can't wait!


+1 Harrow
Ian K
Ian K

WA

4164 posts

2 Feb 2021 10:08am
Tonz
Tonz

523 posts

2 Feb 2021 4:34pm
so not having followed this a lot so far. today I hear USA is out oh boohoo tough titties.
Where is the NZ team as I thught I heard say the final is between Italy & UK.
slammin
slammin

QLD

998 posts

2 Feb 2021 6:59pm
It's the preliminary knockout for the right to face NZ.
Tonz
Tonz

523 posts

2 Feb 2021 5:50pm
that makes sense. cheers
Ian K
Ian K

WA

4164 posts

7 Feb 2021 5:59pm
longwinded
longwinded

WA

347 posts

7 Feb 2021 10:35pm
Thanks IK, best boats ever! Rgds lngwnd'd
Ian K
Ian K

WA

4164 posts

8 Feb 2021 9:31am
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longwinded said..
Thanks IK, best boats ever! Rgds lngwnd'd



If you really want to get into it Mozzy Sails' low budget productions are worth patiently going thru.




A whole lot of interesting design rules are determining these boats though. The T foils must be symmetric for instance. Why? Probably so the beam and righting moment is dictated by the one design foil arm.

And the "one foil in the water" rule, (which seems to be not applied strictly). So they can't leave the windward one in with negative flap for extra righting moment maybe?

Although they look radical the designer's statement,to the effect that - there's nothing new in them every idea has been tried before - . had me thinking.

The closest predecessor might be the IMOCA 65 s. Although not fully foiling, they have a foil to leeward to increase righting moment and reduce drag. The foils are movable/retractable although in dagger board boxes rather than on canting foil arms. The IMOCA65s do have a canting keel to shift ballast windward, so that component is covered.






Ian K
Ian K

WA

4164 posts

13 Feb 2021 11:13am
Waiting for the wind to kick in.


( I'm going Luna Rossa 7-6)
515
515

515

875 posts

13 Feb 2021 11:16am
Finally the start of Prada cup finals.
Light winds today with Prada previously having edge.
On course A and TNZ out on the water as well
Harrow
Harrow

NSW

4521 posts

13 Feb 2021 5:31pm
Luna Rossa competitive in stronger winds too. What will INEOS do overnight to make up the deficit?
ka43
ka43

NSW

3097 posts

13 Feb 2021 6:24pm
Some great stuff in there Ian.
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