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Chris_M said..

Youtube has had the races live streaming

really? Where? The americascup.com live streams show as not being available in Australia, I assume because Foxtel has exclusive rights. I had to sign up to a 2 week free trial with Kayo sports to see last weekends races.

Just go to website at time of race and you will see a watch live window. Click and enjoy. I believe also you can get telemetry data live but haven't got that far yet.

Andrew, if you log on to americascup.com it works without signing up

The day 1 races for some reason wasn't available on youtube in Australia that I could figure out. But day 2 & 3 were. Note that if you go to their website there is a separate youtube links for Australia and for some other parts of the world.

The experts are still chipping in with theories on what happened. This latest one from a bloke Luca is interesting - from about 12 minutes.


He doesn't blame the leeward runner. The mainsail was fully released - AC75s don't have a boom so mainsails can't release beyond the traveller. In which case you have to ensure the apparent wind is always close to the nose otherwise you can overpower.

Tacking and then going straight into the gybe means they're going into the gybe at only 30 something knots rather than 40 something as in a straight bearaway. (From about 2.20 you can see the speed they entered the straight bearaway in less wind on the previous rounding)

Luca puts it all down to a wrong call.

"The wind went from 12 to 23 knots in 20 seconds!" So what Luca says, happens all the time, they'd have seen it coming if they'd have been looking at the water rather than all the data streaming into their heads up displays.

Does this link work in Australia? Because here is a the live yachting for free
%27sCup

Working fine here, looks exciting

sure was, very close racing, lead swapping a few times, but UK finally got there by 33s

Best race yet, match racing is back in the cup after many years of stupid cats. Although designs locked in now and difficult to reconfigure, the need to have dedicated tactician with head out of boat and not square eyed on data is proving to be the deciding factor. Hope kiwis win, just so we can see what comes out of the next generation of these boats.

Had to watch the replay. Even then, Team UK holding the line to finish on port tack.... Did you see them clock 50 knots rounding the gate at the top of leg 3? When the concept was unveiled a few years back and the computer said it would do 50 knots, I had my doubts. Not often a computer is that spot on with predictions.

The 33seconfs is crap,Prada lost that race by less than 3m. I think that was all on the port/starboard with Ineos at last cross. After the penaty wasn't awarded, Prada had a gybe to go toake it to finish so dropped off

And yeah, saw 50knots but think winingis all about VMG

However, if I'd seen 50 on GPS screen.....

Watch out spectators, coming through

Well we might as well analyse the incident till there's nothing left.


It appears the onboard consensus was that the tack bearaway on these boats was a difficult manoeuvre, (at least in comparison to the straight bearaway gybe). What was the tactical advantage of taking the more difficult choice?

I thought I heard it was to keep them in phase with the wind shifts

Are the windshifts ever that predictable? Doing 45 knots upwind towards the windward end of the gate suggests they have overshot the layline, so they didn't predict that particular windshift.

Nathan & Ken are two very smart sailors and I watched it last night even though I'd seen plenty of review about it.
I wasn't in Auckland the day of the capsize but taking to a friend who was working outside at the time he noted that strong gust (and watched it later).

I'm still in awe of the last race and how many lead changes.
Another really good video on You Tube is from "Planet Sail" with Nathan regarding boat setup and who does which task.
Every Team has differences with;
Inoes having dedicated tactician that heads out looking upwind for shifts and pressure
Prada with two helmsman/flight controllers negates the risk of falling off the back like Nathan did in Bermuda
Team NZ set up could be Pete steering and trimming main dingy style and Glenn main controls(honorary Kiwi - Oz can keep Russel Crowe!)

Can't wait for America Magic to come back racing against Prada, bring it on

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Are the windshifts ever that predictable?

Maybe they just thought they could predict them?

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longwinded said..
Best race yet, match racing is back in the cup after many years of stupid cats. Although designs locked in now and difficult to reconfigure, the need to have dedicated tactician with head out of boat and not square eyed on data is proving to be the deciding factor. Hope kiwis win, just so we can see what comes out of the next generation of these boats.

Hard to predict what could be this next generation invention.Maybe just one front foil instead of two retractable? If whole boat could swing sideways on this front foli, plus adjustable geometry and airlons.With introduction of the lastest even faster foils the problem appear with starting to foil so like a supersonic jet planes , geometry ( the size of the foil) should change during acceleration.

Change of subject, but does anyone think the rumours that INEOS were sandbagging during the xmas cup have any veracity, or were they just able to make the fine tuning adjustments to the boat (foils, rudders, etc) to go from also ran to contender. I'm thinking the latter but it's incredible to think they've been able to turn a dog into a cheetah with only minor amendments. On the flip side it just shows how finely tuned / responsive these craft really are. I'm quietly backing INEOS as Yeppoon local Joey Newton sailing as trimmer for them.

2 days till USA v Italy - I have absolutely no idea who'll end up fighting it out with INEOS for the rights to challenge EnZed, but if I was a betting man I reckon American Magic will get there?

BTW - I've started saying "loo-ard" too [ignorance is bliss ]

Sir Ben has said they changed everything. Wasn't their main problem getting up on the foils? Maybe they've sorted out this tricky procedure. The T foils plus arm weighs 1215 kg most of it in the wing and bulb. But until the boat gets foiling the leeward foil arm mostly cancels the righting moment of the windward foil arm. The boats aren't broad in the beam and they have a roundish bottom so very little power can be sheeted on before the leeward foil starts generating lift.

www.sailingworld.com/story/racing/flying-technology-of-the-ac75/

I think INEOS can go all the way. They'll have to upgrade Sir Ben's handle.

Going back in the tide.

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Ian K said..
Sir Ben has said they changed everything. Wasn't their main problem getting up on the foils? Maybe they've sorted out this tricky procedure. The T foils plus arm weighs 1215 kg most of it in the wing and bulb. But until the boat gets foiling the leeward foil arm mostly cancels the righting moment of the windward foil arm. The boats aren't broad in the beam and they have a roundish bottom so very little power can be sheeted on before the leeward foil starts generating lift.

www.sailingworld.com/story/racing/flying-technology-of-the-ac75/

I think INEOS can go all the way. They'll have to upgrade Sir Ben's handle.

My intel is there were many changes+ updates the Brits decided not to rush just for the pre-xmas regatta, was all too tight. Eyes on the prize!
It may have also given them a bit more time finalising, detailing, bench testing etc... for that week or so they were out racing. Psychologically, I reckon the embarassment of 0-6 has put a rocket in their campaign either way.

To all those who wish for paint perfect repairs, this is how to repair sports kit! Wear the scar like a badge of honour.

Even the Kiwis can get a bit sketchy.

Given Ken is commentating again, I'm curious as to when the sasquatch will make an appearance.

Just over an hour before live feed for first two SF races between ITA v USA....... www.americascup.com/en/live
Any takers on American Magic doing a tack bear away SSW 16-20knot forecast

Great day just under wind max.
The Americans have to push it to get a win especially as today's the windiest day of racing.
Want racing to to to the 7th race

windy,flat and puffy..

50+ knots here we come fellas............

It's windy! Commentators mentioned no problems that they'll crack 50knots