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Adriano said..
Ha ha very funny.

Nothing like the Alfa whatsoever. None of the lines, none of the proportions, rear doors completely different, the arse on the Veloster looks totally different ! I'm good at form and proportions. You're good at numbers. Use ratios and you'll discover just how different the cars are.



As I said, two completely different cars. The only similarity is the hatchback function and let's not get started on the engine comparison, which is not even worth comparing.....

Well said Adriano. Excellent opinion on this matter of aesthetics.

I think the Alfa is a much more organic formed aesthetic.......the Hyundai has a tougher, more aggressive style. I like the Hyundai but it does look a little odd from different angles.

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Adriano said..
Ha ha very funny.

Nothing like the Alfa whatsoever. None of the lines, none of the proportions, rear doors completely different, the arse on the Veloster looks totally different ! I'm good at form and proportions. You're good at numbers. Use ratios and you'll discover just how different the cars are.



As I said, two completely different cars. The only similarity is the hatchback function and let's not get started on the engine comparison, which is not even worth comparing.....

Chalk and cheese. If you cannot see the quality of the Alfa I feel sorry for you. I am sure you drink cheap wine as well.

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Adriano said..
Ha ha very funny.

Nothing like the Alfa whatsoever. None of the lines, none of the proportions, rear doors completely different, the arse on the Veloster looks totally different ! I'm good at form and proportions. You're good at numbers. Use ratios and you'll discover just how different the cars are.



As I said, two completely different cars. The only similarity is the hatchback function and let's not get started on the engine comparison, which is not even worth comparing.....

Chalk and cheese. If you cannot see the quality of the Alfa I feel sorry for you. I am sure you drink cheap wine as well.

Hyundai looks like an AR after a front impact into concrete block test and then rear ended.

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Adriano said..
Ha ha very funny.

Nothing like the Alfa whatsoever. None of the lines, none of the proportions, rear doors completely different, the arse on the Veloster looks totally different ! I'm good at form and proportions. You're good at numbers. Use ratios and you'll discover just how different the cars are.



As I said, two completely different cars. The only similarity is the hatchback function and let's not get started on the engine comparison, which is not even worth comparing.....

chalk and cheese, italians have great cheese, back to the blackboard with the chalk for hyundai

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RichardG said..
Alfa Romeo Giulia Fastback Veloce Q4. This looks fabulous.




jaw dropping ,

Alpha Romeo is a worthless expense in a country of speed limit maximum 120 Kmh federally (called Australia) (note: see another thread in this group on speed limit).
And as i've always said , why die in perfect splendor and luxury or in a faster than sports car rattle trap car(or truck) because of fatigue !!!

Super STOL competitor


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This topic changed me from a lurker to a poster. Took a while though. I admit to buying cars motivated more by passion than by logic, although I am trying to become more mature. Have owned and loved older Fiats, & Lancias and tried to embrace Alfas in the past I was keen to give the new Alfa rocket a good go. M3 price worried me. So I went and had a look at a showroom on the Goldie. Stunning presence from outside. Rear door aperture tiny. Deal breaker for me was that the centre console lid needed to be slid around left and right to locate it's latch. My children's 13 year old Renault Clio has better trim fit. Also, what's with the oddly long front interior door latches: style over function?
I just can't justify the compromise. Tried to love it but can't.

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SailMark said..
This topic changed me from a lurker to a poster. Took a while though. I admit to buying cars motivated more by passion than by logic, although I am trying to become more mature. Have owned and loved older Fiats, & Lancias and tried to embrace Alfas in the past I was keen to give the new Alfa rocket a good go. M3 price worried me. So I went and had a look at a showroom on the Goldie. Stunning presence from outside. Rear door aperture tiny. Deal breaker for me was that the centre console lid needed to be slid around left and right to locate it's latch. My children's 13 year old Renault Clio has better trim fit. Also, what's with the oddly long front interior door latches: style over function?
I just can't justify the compromise. Tried to love it but can't.

Intergrale hf turbo?

If only cauncy. That was a car ahead of it's time and it changed the market for ever.
However my pristine Beta HPE was an education about ride quality and handling needing no compromise.

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If only cauncy. That was a car ahead of it's time and it changed the market for ever.
However my pristine Beta HPE was an education about ride quality and handling needing no compromise.

nice! I had a Fiat 124 sport for a while. surprisingly quick.

Nice one log man. Had one of those as well. A Fiat 124BC 1800. Silver to the belt line and dark red from there up.
Sad to say but I also had a 124 Spyder by Pininfarina. Interestingly the same basic engine in the 124, Beta and Spyder. 2 litres in the Beta & Spyder. Spyder was also fuel injected. The 124 also sounded lovely.

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Nice one log man. Had one of those as well. A Fiat 124BC 1800. Silver to the belt line and dark red from there up.
Sad to say but I also had a 124 Spyder by Pininfarina. Interestingly the same basic engine in the 124, Beta and Spyder. 2 litres in the Beta & Spyder. Spyder was also fuel injected. The 124 also sounded lovely.

mine was an AC with a 2 liter engine from a brava. I knew the rust was getting bad when the car went on a hoist to get new tires after that the doors never closed properly

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log man said..

SailMark said..
Nice one log man. Had one of those as well. A Fiat 124BC 1800. Silver to the belt line and dark red from there up.
Sad to say but I also had a 124 Spyder by Pininfarina. Interestingly the same basic engine in the 124, Beta and Spyder. 2 litres in the Beta & Spyder. Spyder was also fuel injected. The 124 also sounded lovely.

mine was an AC with a 2 liter engine from a brava. I knew the rust was getting bad when the car went on a hoist to get new tires after that the doors never closed properly

I got rid of mine when the rear suspension mountings were so rotten that on and off throttle prompted steering correction to prevent lane changes.
Traded it on a used Alfa 33ti. What a backward step that was. I had convinced myself that the 33 was a rightful successor to the Alfasud.
The 33 soon started to rust too, but was just crap to drive.

To make the 124BC ADR compliant it was fitted with front seat headrests. But when you flipped the drivers seat forward to access the rear seat the drivers headrest hit the horn button on the wheel. Bloody loud horn as standard!
Clever design detail, or character?

A Love Forming Affair

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dkd said..
Each to their own but ...... like motorcycles, cars and boats, each to their own.

As for beauty and history, they will be around for a long long time after ford and holden have left our shores ..... ohhh they have

anyway, for those who like high performance euro cars, have look at this and crank it up

sorry don't know how to copy the vid,

That is one angry sounding little Alfa !!!
But it's still missing the Snap,Crackle, Pop'n lumpy goodness of a 'off it's titties' Rice burner

Oh yeh mad mike.
PPRE build a sweet quad rotor
Check out the vids of there NA 6 rotor

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Rus13b said..
Oh yeh mad mike.
PPRE build a sweet quad rotor
Check out the vids of there NA 6 rotor

so i'm assuming 2x 13b's bolted together with 2 turbos off a Cat bulldozer. **** me!

Yes but with many secret mods to hav it reliable & last like a v8 but handle mega revs like 10 000+ & 20psi of boost. They are at the cutting edge of rotor development, untill mazda bring out there new rotor, thats in the works.

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HotBodMon said..
A Love Forming Affair

Not much to say huh? Sumfn \bout it?!..............

There is no point owning or buying a sports car in Australia, if you did, you should buy the whole vehicle minus the engine or remove the engine when you get ti.
Then you find a 1300cc to 1600cc engine from an old Datsun that has the same redline RPM and modify the bell housing and spline to fit sports car gear box and modify the end spline or mesh system for the clutch and gearbox/transmission.
Then take of the muffler and exhaust system and get a hot dog for the replacement engine, change the mounts e.t.c. and away you go with a cheap engine sitting in a prestige box and you can sell the engine and its exhaust system as new (pays for the modifications).

Owning and driving a sports car in Australia is the equivalent of buying a Dreamliner and sitting it at the airport paying parking.

Nonsense. Plenty of 100km/h country roads where most cars will only safely do 6o around the bends but a basic sports car will exhilarate at 100.

The average car can generate lateral G forces between 0.7 and 0.9 G. Call it 0.8.

Up to a certain percentage of this max G force the car is being safely driven on public roads. Lets say half the max G is fast enough. You never know when a tyre might puncture or you hit a bit of gravel. You're not on a race track. 0.8 / 2 = 0.4. So if 0.4 G is safe at 60kph on this particular corner in an average car how many Gs will be generated doing it at 100?
(100/60)^2 * 0.4 = 1.1 G. So for a similar 50% road holding reserve you need a car capable of 2.2 G!

Don't know what sort of car you had in mind, but only something like a formula 1 with huge downforce can do that.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/best-handling-cars-weve-tested-motor-trends-top-figure8-performers-3095/

"Average" being the operative word. Anything after that is just specifics. Without specifying the curvature or camber of the road, you're maths is pointless. I wasn't talking about an average car being on the edge, I was referring to what a decent everyday sports car can comfortably manage when a Mazda 2 is comfortably managing 60km/h.

But go ahead with the math......I'll just drive and do it within the speed limit too. Nothing illegal about driving faster than recommended speeds in bends, which are designed to cater for all motorists and cars and conditions.

Fiat 124 is a champion of the Communist cars..good choice, comrade Log man!

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Adriano said..
"Average" being the operative word. Anything after that is just specifics. Without specifying the curvature or camber of the road, you're maths is pointless.

Well you're the one who invoked the hypothetical corner. It's your corner. What camber do you want? Off cambers will bring the sports car back towards the average car, on camber will stretch the difference a little more in favour of the sports car. We'll assume the measured G forces were made cornering on a flat surface. i.e.. 0.8 G max for a Toyota corolla, 1.1 G max for a full on sports car. But for safety on public roads we'll reduce that to 0.4 G for the Toyota and 0.55 G for the full on sports car.

A good high speed surfing "carrier" vehicle. 280 hp turbo petrol 4 cylinder Q4 SUV. Means in Australia: 206kW/415Nm 2.0-litre turbo-petrol version. All Australian models will be - with an eight-speed automatic transmission and Q4 all-wheel drive, which Alfa claims makes it "100 per cent rear drive" by transferring up to 60 per cent of torque to the front wheels only when required. Apart from sprinting to 100km/h in a class-leading 5.7 seconds; versions seen overseas: offer full-grain leather seats with electric adjustment and heating, genuine wood veneers, 20-inch alloy wheels, a luxury leather steering wheel with aluminum gearshift paddles and coloured brake callipers. Alfa are always better in 4 cylinders..!

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RichardG said..
A good high speed surfing "carrier" vehicle. 280 hp turbo petrol 4 cylinder Q4 SUV. Means in Australia: 206kW/415Nm 2.0-litre turbo-petrol version. All Australian models will be - with an eight-speed automatic transmission and Q4 all-wheel drive, which Alfa claims makes it "100 per cent rear drive" by transferring up to 60 per cent of torque to the front wheels only when required. Apart from sprinting to 100km/h in a class-leading 5.7 seconds; versions seen overseas: offer full-grain leather seats with electric adjustment and heating, genuine wood veneers, 20-inch alloy wheels, a luxury leather steering wheel with aluminum gearshift paddles and coloured brake callipers. Alfa are always better in 4 cylinders..!

Richard I am very curious as to why it's always better this way ??

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RichardG said..
- with an eight-speed automatic transmission


Alfa are always better in 4 cylinders..!

4 cylinders, 8 speeds and about a kilometre of tubing, valves Ts , baffles and sensors under the bonnet to get the thing to to pass the drive cycle test. Surely 8 speed gearboxes are a sign that we've hit the law of diminishing returns with internal combustion?

The Tesla model S with a 1 speed gearbox, ( If you'd even call it a gearbox) goes 0 to 100 in 2.2 seconds in ludicrous mode.