Maybe we should try to turn the tables here ?

Take that big fish into big fish tank.

Put tank on main street in Perth so shark could make as many eye contact with passing crowd as want.

Maybe even allow kids to feed them with lollies and small fishes and crabs, ( maybe even small cats and dogs wondering the streets lonely) .

Then after month or a year release the bastard back to the ocean and check if is still hungry on people ?

jbshack said..

ThinkaBowtit said..
Again, we're talking about sharks that don't give you the opportunity to read their body language and react accordingly. Whites are missing from your "different class of animal" list.

You won't believe it but they can be rather easy to read. No not in a attack mode, but swimming around they are rather open book. How do you think people have been able to swim along side them

Stark temperaments and body language is rather interesting once you understand it..

Yeah, all you shark culling hypocrites!!
It's so easy to read shark body language and demeanor when you don't see them coming.

Jb so what is the real world solution?

Put in the school mandatory grade curriculum so kids learn how to read sharko body language from an early age?

It is a challenge big enough to teach how to read a simple paper book! Or to swim properly.

Kids these days engage and date via the internet, even the opposite sex body language signals (or same whatever) it seems even that today can't be figured out soo easily as it used to be!

I don't think that's the point mate. The powers that be say we personally can't kill great whites to keep the dangerous ones in check cos they think they might be endangered ( despite the growing doubt this is indeed the case - don't forget when they were put on the endangered list it was a benefit of the doubt call) So if we can't do it via fishing like we used to then it's up to the government to do it.

Not crying to the nanny state just saying if I can't do it then governments first responsibility is to keep its taxpayers safe.

As for the reading the sharks crap while I'm paddling on the surface on my board well that just shows how far from reality some peanuts are.

Death unfortunately is a natural part of life, why are we always trying to stop everyone from dying? Is the population not large enough? Why do we want everyone to live forever! I know it is a natural survival instinct but aren't we smart enough to analyse the future implications?

I see most people who are for the drumlines and cull are just too scared to go into the water now and grossly uneducated about the environmental systems and the implications of making decisions on a finite 'thing' (GWS) and the effects of changing food webs.

You get an engineer and an architect to create a well designed house (people in the know) you don't get Joe Blow no idea to design it. Let the professionals EPA and other environmental managers do there job. If you are to scared to go in the ocean then stay out.

"Everyone should have no fear into going into the ocean, plus I want uncrowded breaks! Lets just make more surf spots with artificial reef all along the coast and impact longshore drift. Hooray for the human race! Sick sad world."

Gustenzo said..
Death unfortunately is a natural part of life, why are we always trying to stop everyone from dying? Is the population not large enough? Why do we want everyone to live forever! I know it is a natural survival instinct but aren't we smart enough to analyse the future implications?

I see most people who are for the drumlines and cull are just too scared to go into the water now and grossly uneducated about the environmental systems and the implications of making decisions on a finite 'thing' (GWS) and the effects of changing food webs.

You get an engineer and an architect to create a well designed house (people in the know) you don't get Joe Blow no idea to design it. Let the professionals EPA and other environmental managers do there job. If you are to scared to go in the ocean then stay out.

"Everyone should have no fear into going into the ocean, plus I want uncrowded breaks! Lets just make more surf spots with artificial reef all along the coast and impact longshore drift. Hooray for the human race! Sick sad world."

Yes, bang on.

Gustenzo said..
Death unfortunately is a natural part of life, why are we always trying to stop everyone from dying? Is the population not large enough? Why do we want everyone to live forever! I know it is a natural survival instinct but aren't we smart enough to analyse the future implications?

I see most people who are for the drumlines and cull are just too scared to go into the water now and grossly uneducated about the environmental systems and the implications of making decisions on a finite 'thing' (GWS) and the effects of changing food webs.

You get an engineer and an architect to create a well designed house (people in the know) you don't get Joe Blow no idea to design it. Let the professionals EPA and other environmental managers do there job. If you are to scared to go in the ocean then stay out.

"Everyone should have no fear into going into the ocean, plus I want uncrowded breaks! Lets just make more surf spots with artificial reef all along the coast and impact longshore drift. Hooray for the human race! Sick sad world."

Dream on, buddy.
The anti-cullers are the ones too scared to go in the ocean.

And what are the EPA and such doing about the situation?

kiterboy said..

Gustenzo said..
Death unfortunately is a natural part of life, why are we always trying to stop everyone from dying? Is the population not large enough? Why do we want everyone to live forever! I know it is a natural survival instinct but aren't we smart enough to analyse the future implications?

I see most people who are for the drumlines and cull are just too scared to go into the water now and grossly uneducated about the environmental systems and the implications of making decisions on a finite 'thing' (GWS) and the effects of changing food webs.

You get an engineer and an architect to create a well designed house (people in the know) you don't get Joe Blow no idea to design it. Let the professionals EPA and other environmental managers do there job. If you are to scared to go in the ocean then stay out.

"Everyone should have no fear into going into the ocean, plus I want uncrowded breaks! Lets just make more surf spots with artificial reef all along the coast and impact longshore drift. Hooray for the human race! Sick sad world."

Dream on, buddy.
The anti-cullers are the ones too scared to go in the ocean.

And what are the EPA and such doing about the situation?

Dream on......

Or is it that you just want to kill for the sake of killing, like busterwa.

Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked.

I bet you dont have kids.....

Gustenzo said..
The EPA recommended against the proposal of drumlins (2014).

The numbers of GWS 10-20 years ago was and I doubt the number now is KNOWN. Surveying and samples are just snapshots at that time over over a certain time period. More information is needed to make the correct choice. Please check out the precautionary principal. If the shark abundance is deemed too high and some sort of cull is found to be necessary then I trust the professionals will have made their choice on sound science with good reasoning behind it. Check out the precautionary principal.

Educate yourself and look up: keystone species, apex predators, mesopredators, higher order effects.

Ah, so your answer is, apart from recommending against drumlines, the EPA and such are doing, nothing.
That should help.

LOL. 'Educate yourself'. Thanks, dad.

DARTH said..

kiterboy said..

Gustenzo said..
Death unfortunately is a natural part of life, why are we always trying to stop everyone from dying? Is the population not large enough? Why do we want everyone to live forever! I know it is a natural survival instinct but aren't we smart enough to analyse the future implications?

I see most people who are for the drumlines and cull are just too scared to go into the water now and grossly uneducated about the environmental systems and the implications of making decisions on a finite 'thing' (GWS) and the effects of changing food webs.

You get an engineer and an architect to create a well designed house (people in the know) you don't get Joe Blow no idea to design it. Let the professionals EPA and other environmental managers do there job. If you are to scared to go in the ocean then stay out.

"Everyone should have no fear into going into the ocean, plus I want uncrowded breaks! Lets just make more surf spots with artificial reef all along the coast and impact longshore drift. Hooray for the human race! Sick sad world."

Dream on, buddy.
The anti-cullers are the ones too scared to go in the ocean.

And what are the EPA and such doing about the situation?

Dream on......

Or is it that you just want to kill for the sake of killing, like busterwa.

Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked.

I bet you dont have kids.....

Well, you're making progress, kind of. Out of four sentences, you made a barely legible statement, so let's explore that shall we.

"Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked."

That statement shows that you know something the rest of us don't.
So with your superior knowledge, do you think you can answer the question I posed earlier?
What were the drastic environmental/ecological disasters we faced 10-20 years ago that were a direct result of the low numbers of GW, that you are saying will happen now if today's numbers are reverted back to what they were?

Please darthoggie, save us from our ignorance.

kiterboy said...

DARTH said..

kiterboy said..

Gustenzo said..
Death unfortunately is a natural part of life, why are we always trying to stop everyone from dying? Is the population not large enough? Why do we want everyone to live forever! I know it is a natural survival instinct but aren't we smart enough to analyse the future implications?

I see most people who are for the drumlines and cull are just too scared to go into the water now and grossly uneducated about the environmental systems and the implications of making decisions on a finite 'thing' (GWS) and the effects of changing food webs.

You get an engineer and an architect to create a well designed house (people in the know) you don't get Joe Blow no idea to design it. Let the professionals EPA and other environmental managers do there job. If you are to scared to go in the ocean then stay out.

"Everyone should have no fear into going into the ocean, plus I want uncrowded breaks! Lets just make more surf spots with artificial reef all along the coast and impact longshore drift. Hooray for the human race! Sick sad world."

Dream on, buddy.
The anti-cullers are the ones too scared to go in the ocean.

And what are the EPA and such doing about the situation?

Dream on......

Or is it that you just want to kill for the sake of killing, like busterwa.

Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked.

I bet you dont have kids.....

Well, you're making progress, kind of. Out of four sentences, you made a barely legible statement, so let's explore that shall we.

"Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked."

That statement shows that you know something the rest of us don't.
So with your superior knowledge, do you think you can answer the question I posed earlier?
What were the drastic environmental/ecological disasters we faced 10-20 years ago that were a direct result of the low numbers of GW, that you are saying will happen now if today's numbers are reverted back to what they were?

Please darthoggie, save us from our ignorance.

Do you have kids? If you don't understand it's too late for you.

kiterboy said...

DARTH said..

kiterboy said..

Gustenzo said..
Death unfortunately is a natural part of life, why are we always trying to stop everyone from dying? Is the population not large enough? Why do we want everyone to live forever! I know it is a natural survival instinct but aren't we smart enough to analyse the future implications?

I see most people who are for the drumlines and cull are just too scared to go into the water now and grossly uneducated about the environmental systems and the implications of making decisions on a finite 'thing' (GWS) and the effects of changing food webs.

You get an engineer and an architect to create a well designed house (people in the know) you don't get Joe Blow no idea to design it. Let the professionals EPA and other environmental managers do there job. If you are to scared to go in the ocean then stay out.

"Everyone should have no fear into going into the ocean, plus I want uncrowded breaks! Lets just make more surf spots with artificial reef all along the coast and impact longshore drift. Hooray for the human race! Sick sad world."

Dream on, buddy.
The anti-cullers are the ones too scared to go in the ocean.

And what are the EPA and such doing about the situation?

Dream on......

Or is it that you just want to kill for the sake of killing, like busterwa.

Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked.

I bet you dont have kids.....

Well, you're making progress, kind of. Out of four sentences, you made a barely legible statement, so let's explore that shall we.

"Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked."

That statement shows that you know something the rest of us don't.
So with your superior knowledge, do you think you can answer the question I posed earlier?
What were the drastic environmental/ecological disasters we faced 10-20 years ago that were a direct result of the low numbers of GW, that you are saying will happen now if today's numbers are reverted back to what they were?

Please darthoggie, save us from our ignorance.

Go read The Unnatural History of the Sea

busterwa said...
Well you can become an English teaher at 60 grand a year And ill change your tap seal for 120k.

Btw, I reseated my bathroom taps last year. It isn't that hard. Think the tool was $6 from Bunnings.

hope you get attacked then. Its a no brainer?Hopefully its going to be open to commercial fisherman. About time.

thedrip said..

kiterboy said...


Well, you're making progress, kind of. Out of four sentences, you made a barely legible statement, so let's explore that shall we.

"Or is it that you don't care because you will be dead by the time the environment is f@#ked."

That statement shows that you know something the rest of us don't.
So with your superior knowledge, do you think you can answer the question I posed earlier?
What were the drastic environmental/ecological disasters we faced 10-20 years ago that were a direct result of the low numbers of GW, that you are saying will happen now if today's numbers are reverted back to what they were?

Please darthoggie, save us from our ignorance.

Go read The Unnatural History of the Sea

Give us a brief summary.
Use your intellectual skillz to enlighten us lowbrow folk, instead of just hoping one person takes up your reading list recommendation.