As you can see from the above pictures, it is called fishing,

that's what people do,
we are people too,
me and even you,
It's something we should do,
Kill a shark or two,

Now go have your poo poo

500000 of these things swimming around....

750 absolute peanuts,

Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.

I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty

Seals

Let's talk about them

Seal Species
There are 18 known species of true seals or earless seals out there that have been identified.
Leopard Seal
The Leopard Seal is the second largest of all seals out there.
Harp Seal
The Harp Seal is one that has lots of white fur on it. They also can feature areas of light brown and even some black.
Harbor Seal
The Harbor Seal is fairly small when it is compared to the many other species of seals out there.
Gray Seal
The Gray Seal is one that many people have seen in pictures. It is found along the North Atlantic Ocean on both sides of it.
Northern Elephant Seal
The Northern Elephant Seal is smaller than those from other Elephant Seals in the Southern part of the world.
Southern Elephant Seal
The Southern Elephant Seal is the largest of all seals in the world.
Weddell Seal
If you had to choose only one word to describe the Weddell Seal, it would like be that they are cute.
Hawaiian Monk Seal
You will find that the overall physical appearance of the Hawaiian Monk Seal makes it look much different from the other species of seals.
Mediterranean Monk Seal
The males feature dark black hair while the females are dark brown. All of the Mediterranean Monk Seals have a watch patch on them.

Yeah that is pretty sick dude. Check yourself.

One type of seal below,

In 2013, the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans conducted a population survey. The resulting estimate of the harp seal population was 7.3 million animals, over three times what it was in the 1970s. In 2004, the population estimate was similar: 5.9 million (95% CI 4.6 million to 7.2 million).


Do you think that that would be enough seals to sustain 750 greAt whites?

What about 10000 great whites?

50000 great whites?

Please take into account this is one species of seal of which there are more than 18 species, whales, salmon, tuna, fish and squid etc etc have not even been counted yet......

Catch and kill a few sharks, do some fishing, calm down, hook a few and put a few rounds in them, job done,

750 great white sharks hahahaha hahahah good science,

I'm a scientist because I sat in a class for four years and was told about the ocean........
I have a degree............
I drink soy latte........
Can I have another wheatgrass shot.......
Do you like my man bun?.......
Let's eat some kale............
Save the sharks..........

Hahahah tossers

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nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.

I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty

What I have seen on the news which is rates pg in the last two weeks is what sickens me, it tears me apart and saddens me that people can sit at home and watch that and say nothing, post a few fishing photos and everyone kicks off.
There is nothing wrong with the pictures posted its fishing.

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japie said...
Oh, and putting bag limits on species is hardly management. It's putting bag limits on species full stop. Anyone who has been on a trawler will tell you that bag limits mean nothing because what's illegal ends up dead but not on the market.

Except of course the bag limits on great whites which is now in place appears to have caused a spike in great white attacks. As you say there could be a million other reasons that GWs have suddenly started to attack people, but even after normalisation for population growth etc, its extremely hard to say it's not related.

Same old typical knee jerk reactions from people with dodgy moral compass’s! You won’t listen to the science (let alone read it) so I won’t bother to dig out the papers but if you can be bothered to do some research you will find the following facts:
- It’s biologicaly impossible for GW’s have a population explosion.
- There are approx. 800 breeding size individuals making up the South to West Australian GW population, this number is critically low to sustain genetic diversity (which is why the EPA knocked back the drum line policy).
- GW’s are already fished down by commercial fisheries, especially tuna farms. It’s not reported but it’s happening.
- It is not possible to “engineer” the ocean environment, reducing the numbers of one species has unpredictable consequences (especially apex predators), most likely not good.

Sure you can kill some sharks but the risk of being bitten is already so low and random that it will have a negligible impact. GW’s are nomadic and can average 95km per day so unless you kill every single one then there will always be a chance of an encounter.
In all likely-hood GW’s come close to ocean users every single day but they don’t bite because they identify that we’re not food. On the rare occasion they do make a mistake and take a bite which sadly has dire consequences for humans. You don’t have to be a scientist or even slightly clever to realise that if we were on the menu people would be taken on a daily basis.

For the record I was at the Cottesloe protests. Sure there were some Greenie activists there, but they were in a very small minority. The vast majority of the 6K plus people at the protests were everyday people taking a stand against stupidity. They included surfers, divers and lots of families that use the ocean and value it as it is. The idea that these people wouldn’t get in the ocean is pretty stupid as is the idea that the protest should’ve taken place in the ocean, because that’s really practical?

Since Sept 2014 I’ve been living on a sail boat with the family cruising the Caribbean and made it a mission to learn more about sharks. I spend many hours in the water every day and when we’re in the right locations (in sharky spots away from other boats) we chum for sharks. We have now had hundreds of hours in the water (usually free diving) with various species including Tigers, Bulls, Great Hammers and a bunch of others. I have learnt a lot about shark behaviour and feel very comfortable with any of these sharks in the right conditions. I also have a lot of respect for their potential and would not get in the water with them in the wrong conditions.
I have no experience with GW’s but their potential is obvious so there is no way I would be getting in the water in conditions where I could have a negative interaction with one, these include fish aggregations and fishing activities.
I think cray pots are a massive issue, they are basically a chum box and certainly attract sharks to have a sniff around, the latest craze of beach shark fishing is also undoubtably responsible for bringing more sharks in close to our beaches. The beach where Ben Gerring was bitten is a popular shark fishing beach and there were people fishing right next to where the diver was bitten off Mindarie, these are almost certainly contributing factors.
In the Bahamas there are plenty of sharks but you almost never see them, until you spear a fish…the sound of a struggling fish brings them in like you wouldn’t believe and they are very very switched on. Point is there are a bunch of factors that determine when a shark makes the decision to hunt. We can’t control all of them but some we can plus we can take the extra step of using personal shark repellant technology (shark shield, surf safe ect) which absolutely works (no-one has ever been bitten with a functioning shark shield on). Why divers and surfers who choose to be in the water at this time of year don’t use them is totally beyond me.

I find it appalling that some people think it’s ok to “sanitise” the ocean for their use as a play pen, luckily the vast majority agree and are anti culling. For some true heroic perspective have a read of Ben Gerring’s dad’s comments, a true ocean user and lover.
www.heraldsun.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

Some people clearly don't get the ocean and have no respect for what a special place it is, they should just stay out and take their ego driven personalities to other pursuits that can be conducted in a nice safe, controlled environment.

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nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.

I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty

Yep. Maybe people should read the book The Unnatural History of The Sea.

What we do to the environment directly affects us and our children. How are those floods going on the East coast?

There's the problem, Gradient. You require "slightly clever" to see the obvious.

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Razzonater said..

nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.

I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty

What I have seen on the news which is rates pg in the last two weeks is what sickens me, it tears me apart and saddens me that people can sit at home and watch that and say nothing, post a few fishing photos and everyone kicks off.
There is nothing wrong with the pictures posted its fishing.

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Razzonater said..
One type of seal below,

In 2013, the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans conducted a population survey. The resulting estimate of the harp seal population was 7.3 million animals, over three times what it was in the 1970s. In 2004, the population estimate was similar: 5.9 million (95% CI 4.6 million to 7.2 million).


Do you think that that would be enough seals to sustain 750 greAt whites?

What about 10000 great whites?

50000 great whites?

Please take into account this is one species of seal of which there are more than 18 species, whales, salmon, tuna, fish and squid etc etc have not even been counted yet......

Catch and kill a few sharks, do some fishing, calm down, hook a few and put a few rounds in them, job done,

750 great white sharks hahahaha hahahah good science,

I'm a scientist because I sat in a class for four years and was told about the ocean........
I have a degree............
I drink soy latte........
Can I have another wheatgrass shot.......
Do you like my man bun?.......
Let's eat some kale............
Save the sharks..........

Hahahah tossers

I like that you happily quote one scientifically established population but question another which was established using population genetics and has been peer reviewed. So because some people chose to get educated and use proven methodology to establish facts vs just spouting off unsubstantiated opinion makes them soy latte, wheat grass drinking, man bun wearing kale eating hippies? I'd suggest you google some of the scientists you're so readily dismissing, try Barry Bruce or Jessica Meeuwig for a start. Sorry for all the big words.

Im from the U.S.East coast Carolina's to be exact.Their reporting a huge population explosion of Whites on the Atlantic seaboard. Many run-ins with Whites but no attacks other than a minor bite a few years back in the Northeast. What I'm trying to figure out is it seems the GW population of Australia is much more aggressive towards humans with a much higher fatality rate than most around the world. I know with the growth here on the East coast it could be anytime that problems start here but none yet. Just makes me wonder if the DNA is a little different in GWs throughout the world as far as aggression in sharks goes.

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Carolina72 said..
Im from the U.S.East coast Carolina's to be exact.Their reporting a huge population explosion of Whites on the Atlantic seaboard. Many run-ins with Whites but no attacks other than a minor bite a few years back in the Northeast. What I'm trying to figure out is it seems the GW population of Australia is much more aggressive towards humans with a much higher fatality rate than most around the world. I know with the growth here on the East coast it could be anytime that problems start here but none yet. Just makes me wonder if the DNA is a little different in GWs throughout the world as far as aggression in sharks goes.

It could be that the sharks stay further offshore. Also the Carolina's aren't known for their surf, mainly beach breaks so ocean users are usually further in to shore. Also could be to do with food sources, in WA seals and sea lions are the number 1 choice and surfers can easily be mistaken in poor viz, I'm not sure if there are many seals in the Carolinas so the GW diet could be more fish based?

The population off the southern U.S. is more off a Fish, Whale , Dolphin diet. The Northeast U.S. has a growing Seal population but not the South. We have a murkier surf on the East which may keep the Whites out because of visibility I suppose.

I just think we need to stop cage diving. Stop training big **** off animals with sharp teeth to associate humans and boats with food. It's not ****ing rocket surgery.

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Kozzie said..
you want to splash around createing the exact same noise as a single finned wounded fish on your surfboard GO AHEAD.

where abouts do skin divers fit in this theory?

[seriously - wouldnt a surfer and a scubadiver sound very different?].

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Kozzie said..
you want to splash around createing the exact same noise as a single finned wounded fish on your surfboard GO AHEAD.

where abouts do skin divers fit in this theory?

[seriously - wouldnt a surfer and a scubadiver sound very different?].

I think divers are far less vulnerable than surfers, sitting on the surface and not being able to look around below is pretty scary. If a shark comes on scene you have no ability to read the body language and react appropriately, you really are a sitting duck. Scuba creates a lot of noise which can be heard from quite a distance. In my opinion free diving is the best as it's silent and by the nature of maximising breath holds all movements are very slow. Spear fishing obviously changes this dynamic completely.

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nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.

I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty

I hope your a vegan with that comment and don't support the slaughter of cows sheep fish pigs and chickens. if you have a dog or cat I hope they're vegan too.

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R1DER said..

nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.

I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty

I hope your a vegan with that comment and don't support the slaughter of cows sheep fish pigs and chickens. if you have a dog or cat I hope they're vegan too.

Bull sh!t rider that gets trotted out every time, means nothing...

My fav is the one in the ute closly followed by the one on the A frame them pictures are awsome, notice on just about all the pics the dead sharks are happy . Great to see the sea shepard there preserving human life

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DARTH said...

R1DER said..

nebbian said...
Those pictures absolutely sicken and disgust me.

I'm ashamed to be part of the same race that can condone such cruelty

I hope your a vegan with that comment and don't support the slaughter of cows sheep fish pigs and chickens. if you have a dog or cat I hope they're vegan too.

Bull sh!t rider that gets trotted out every time, means nothing...

Its was a reasonable comment, he was ashamed of being part of a race that condoned such cruelty. Where does he sit on all the other cruelty that gets condoned.

Those photos are crap. That isn't fishing for food. That's fishing for fun, to catch the biggest. Shows real big balls...It's in the same bag as trophy hunting. Real tough guys...
Still wonder how many of you pro kill guys have purchased a surfsafe or similar? Or you all too lazy to be proactive, just want the simple outdated solution?

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Dawn Patrol said..
Those photos are crap. That isn't fishing for food. That's fishing for fun, to catch the biggest. Shows real big balls...It's in the same bag as trophy hunting. Real tough guys...
Still wonder how many of you pro kill guys have purchased a surfsafe or similar? Or you all too lazy to be proactive, just want the simple outdated solution?

Bang on!

I know a few shark fisherman

They all practice catch and release, except the little tasty ones.

The days of hanging up a shark or any fish to verify a catch are long gone. It is very frowned upon amongst serious fishers.

Allow people to fish for whites and maybe the whites will gain a healthy apprehension for boats and people, it will be good for them and us.

The way it is now they associate boats and people with food, if people really care for the whites they would want to change that.

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Dawn Patrol said..
Those photos are crap. That isn't fishing for food. That's fishing for fun, to catch the biggest. Shows real big balls...It's in the same bag as trophy hunting. Real tough guys...
Still wonder how many of you pro kill guys have purchased a surfsafe or similar? Or you all too lazy to be proactive, just want the simple outdated solution?

Well said. You have to be a barbarian to take a photo like those never mind make it public.

Cretins. Its that sort of mentality which provides humanity with its biggest challenges.

The Not Funny images thread.

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japie said...
The problem is Cauncy is that this is a very emotional issue and when emotion is experienced the ego comes in to play and as Eckhart Tolle explains so lucidly the ego's biggest fear is the fear of death.

That is when logic heads out of the window and any consideration for the LAWS of nature vanish into thin air. Buster et al would be calling for the annihilation of the very last shark in all oceans if anyone was taken after their numbers were "controlled" but someone had the misfortune to be eaten.

Fortunately Logic will prevail as far as this issue is concerned and there will be no concerted effort to get rid of them.

The facile intellect that calls for the elimination of a species which is scientifically proven to be an integral component of the health of the oceans because people run the risk of being killed by them is just too ludicrous to contemplate.

Did the almost elimination of that species ruin the health of the oceans last time? No, it did not. The ocean was thriving without them, historical fishing records and anecdotes show that very, very clearly. And you're doing it again - who is saying get rid of ALL the sharks? No one that I know of. Just reduce the numbers, again.

It seems to me that people who believe sharks belong here and have every right to keep belonging don't feel the same way about humans. If we do belong here, why do the LAWS of nature not apply to us - such as 'survival of the fittest'? If we don't belong here, where are we supposed to be?

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Dawn Patrol said...
Those photos are crap. That isn't fishing for food. That's fishing for fun, to catch the biggest. Shows real big balls...It's in the same bag as trophy hunting. Real tough guys...
Still wonder how many of you pro kill guys have purchased a surfsafe or similar? Or you all too lazy to be proactive, just want the simple outdated solution?

You've got rocks in your head if you think a surf safe or anything else is going to stop a 15ft,1000kg shark in its tracks.. the proof is in the pudding and it's great that people are trialling new ideas but until they open that cage door and personally swim out, i won't believe they work on anything somewhat aggressive.

I still think let game boys catch them and release them with a live tracking tag. Game fishermen get to catch the most badass thing in the ocean, it swims off and fisheries can monitor them in real time. If there really is only 749 left then its unlikely they will all be swimming within 2 or 3km of the coast. Everyone wins