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taveray said..
Thanks for all the discussion on this thread. I am keen, but wondering whether to start with the LX970 or 760? Summary: I'm 75yo, 69kg, 168cm and a slow learner (as befits 75 years). I've done it for 2 years after a year on winDfoil. I'm foiling well on port tack, but struggling on starboard. (Balance is an enduring, but slowly diminishing problem.) I lean towards the 970 to start with. Where I wing-foil, it is often in the low 20knot range and rarely less than 16kn. At present, I'm still focused on getting my starboard reaching reliable. I still find that the slower the better is the go, so I've gone back to my old Axis 102cm wingspan learner front foil (instead of my HPS 980 & 1050, to slow me down to allow more time to correct pitch, etc.). So I guess the answer is to stick with that until I nail it. However, I'm thinking ahead a bit. So what I'm really asking is "When I get that nailed, should I persist with the HPSs or go straight to the LXs?

Hi taveray i think go with what gives you the most enjoyment , i would go the lx970 i went from code 980s to the LX and it rolls into turns just nicely , plenty of glide as well . don't forget changing fuse length and tails can change the total feel of the front wing , not to mention adding shim .5 or 1 can get the whole set up moving with less drag . definitely reach out to james from KONRAD he will definitely point you in the right direction .
good luck with your choice mate

Which ha tail have you got, ive got the ar10 150cm2

Rides pretty well. Was terrible the first few sessions until I worked out i had it upside down. doh

Hey ?? Ninja that's funny james told me the same thing mount it the correct way . I was riding the AR8
140 but today I switched with the ar8. 160 . Knee to chest high waves today . I really liked the extra stability and glide it gave to lx970 , felt I had the best of both worlds the glide and turning carves I wanted
like I wrote earlier This Lx970 feels better for me than my code 980 s . I'll get a few more sessions in before I do my review but so far I'm working out the feels of this wing and it's exactly what is described.

Foiling around , you have said you have proned both 760and 970 can you share how you set these wings up to fuse and stabs , and a bit more about how they ride in the waves your surfing

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Hey ?? Ninja that's funny james told me the same thing mount it the correct way . I was riding the AR8
140 but today I switched with the ar8. 160 . Knee to chest high waves today . I really liked the extra stability and glide it gave to lx970 , felt I had the best of both worlds the glide and turning carves I wanted
like I wrote earlier This Lx970 feels better for me than my code 980 s . I'll get a few more sessions in before I do my review but so far I'm working out the feels of this wing and it's exactly what is described.

Thats a big call, code is very popular round here!!(torquay)

Has Anyone yet used the Fuselage set up, for example AXIS front with the rear Carbon tail, I find the AXIS 90cm Alloy mast and fuse, so so heavy, I feel it spoils the whole setup. Axis Carbon masts are also so expensive, but for me even the Konrad mast is expensive, not sure why as all others are so cheap like Gong or Duotone.So far though loving the LX970 with the Advanced Ultra short and the Skinny

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taveray said..
Thanks for all the discussion on this thread. I am keen, but wondering whether to start with the LX970 or 760? Summary: I'm 75yo, 69kg, 168cm and a slow learner (as befits 75 years). I've done it for 2 years after a year on winDfoil. I'm foiling well on port tack, but struggling on starboard. (Balance is an enduring, but slowly diminishing problem.) I lean towards the 970 to start with. Where I wing-foil, it is often in the low 20knot range and rarely less than 16kn. At present, I'm still focused on getting my starboard reaching reliable. I still find that the slower the better is the go, so I've gone back to my old Axis 102cm wingspan learner front foil (instead of my HPS 980 & 1050, to slow me down to allow more time to correct pitch, etc.). So I guess the answer is to stick with that until I nail it. However, I'm thinking ahead a bit. So what I'm really asking is "When I get that nailed, should I persist with the HPSs or go straight to the LXs?

IMO people get a bit hung up on sizes because of the shredders they see on socials. The LX970 is an allround wing with lots of range. I ride it for surf foiling and winging. It will get you up early and give you lots of time on foil easily!

For those with the current Freak fuse or looking at it, we do have a V2 coming out that is simplified and improved.If you have an old alloy mast or fuse we will be offering a trade program to get you upgraded at a very reasonable price! Just send me a message through here or through the website and we will add you to the list.www.konradboarding.com

having rode lx970 now in all types of conditions , its a very smooth predictable wing , it turns like a smaller wing as i am getting better in my technique im pushing harder and tighter . its definitely a keeper im not even interested in looking at other systems ,atm im just enjoying foiling where's before i was always missing something and searching buying wings wasting money then selling . i am glad im riding konrad lx970 top wing lots of fun . turns hard ,great glide and i havnt even played with shorter fuses or smaller tails so tons of areas to play with before i've masted this little wing .
dont doubt just get it

manta takeoff flow
lx970 front wing
ar8. 160 rear stab

Hi Guys anyone whose interested in Lx wings
Konrad is doing a production run . a fresh order in , put your name on one like I have . I'm getting Lx760 already have the Lx970 awsome wings use mine for prone amazing wings

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Foiling around , you have said you have proned both 760and 970 can you share how you set these wings up to fuse and stabs , and a bit more about how they ride in the waves your surfing

Hey mate I run both foils on the advanced ultrashort fuse. I've got x2 Konrad AR10 tails. 130 and 150. Daily driver is the LX760 with the 150 tail. Can wing and prone this in almost any conditions. I'll chuck the 130 tail on if I want a really loose and fast setup but for me the 150 gives a lot more stability and pump while still being able to turn with ease. LX970 and 130 tail is the go to downwind setup for me and my local conditions. Can flat water start this so I am confident I can get going in anything and have ridden it upto 25knots and plenty speed to keep up with the swell.

I'm 80kgs for reference.

Thx Foiling around arnt these foils amazing on the prone I'm in love with my Lx970 that I'm ordering Lx760 ha ha ha . I use Lx970 and Ar8 140 , Ar8 160 I'm currently got it set up with Ar8. 180 with half a shim - . I'm always looking to spice things up . I have 1. Ar10 150 I think what do they feel like ? that's great Advice I'll try some of your set ups
shame more people havnt rode Lx our secret hey mate Ha ha

Asked Konrad for the Specs of the LX760 as their site doesn't list it for some reason, I love the LX970 its awesome, I hate my AXIS alu mast and Fuse though, heavy as hell!!

Has any one got/used any of the bigger Axis foils. I'm looking at a foil for my larger than LX970 option.

Looking for something for two secnarios

1) learning to sup foil (starting with wave). I've borrowed a 20"
Wide board and find it super wobbly. Was thinking something wider than 99 cm wide might help with the roll stability as a sup foil big beginner
2) light wind winging. There was a quite a few times last season that couldn't get going with my 88l mid length and 5.5 m wing others were cruising on their light wind gear. Havent tried the dw board for winging yet

Current proning whilst i wait for the wind season and using the lx970 plus 375p for great stability and pumping. Was using the konrad ar10 150 for winging. Got the 760 which im planning to use for high wind winging. Keep putting off trying the 760 for prone.

Can anyone comment on the following foils as a step up foil from lx 970. In terms of lift speed abd turning. Leaning tonart v2 but worried there might not be much more lift

Art v2 1099
Png 1300v2
Spitfire 1100 or 1180

Thanks.

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ninjasmith said..
Has any one got/used any of the bigger Axis foils. I'm looking at a foil for my larger than LX970 option.

Looking for something for two secnarios

1) learning to sup foil (starting with wave). I've borrowed a 20"
Wide board and find it super wobbly. Was thinking something wider than 99 cm wide might help with the roll stability as a sup foil big beginner
2) light wind winging. There was a quite a few times last season that couldn't get going with my 88l mid length and 5.5 m wing others were cruising on their light wind gear. Havent tried the dw board for winging yet

Current proning whilst i wait for the wind season and using the lx970 plus 375p for great stability and pumping. Was using the konrad ar10 150 for winging. Got the 760 which im planning to use for high wind winging. Keep putting off trying the 760 for prone.

Can anyone comment on the following foils as a step up foil from lx 970. In terms of lift speed abd turning. Leaning tonart v2 but worried there might not be much more lift

Art v2 1099
Png 1300v2
Spitfire 1100 or 1180

Thanks.

Hey Ninja After a few sessions you won't notice the wobbliness of the 20" board. There is heaps of stability in a long board with a foil acting as a keel (unless it's a KT dragonfly), you just have to get used to it. I have just been getting into sup surfing & each time out on the board I'm learning something new. The crossover skills from supsurfing to paddling a DW board are beneficial esp learning how to put the power down & paddling straight.
I wing a 8'4 DW board with a V1png 1300 in light wind. Basically if the wind is enough to hold my wing up I can get going as the PNG 1300 will lift just about from standstill. The V2 is apparently even better. TheV1 glides well but turning is like driving a truck sometimes. A big foil in light winds can be a great challenge as well. I find the underwater movement can sometimes try to buck you off. I have as much fun sometimes in these conditions as in stronger wind with a small foil.
I had an 1180 for a very short time & found it didn't do anything well. I swapped brands when the Art V2s came out so can't comment on them.
A year into learning to DW paddle I've changed tack & switched to learning to PW DW. Not as much cardio but still a great learning curve.

I also have the Konrad 970 and absolutely love it. I prone, dockstart, sup and downwind that foil. I recently bought a 1099v2 and sold it after a few sessions. Its bottom end wasn't as good as the Konrad and didn't offer any advantage. My largest foil is a fireball 1250 which is a great light wind, small bump foil. I've never proned it though. I have recently added a code 1130s with an adapter which fills the gap between the Konrad and the fireball 1250.

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I also have the Konrad 970 and absolutely love it. I prone, dockstart, sup and downwind that foil. I recently bought a 1099v2 and sold it after a few sessions. Its bottom end wasn't as good as the Konrad and didn't offer any advantage. My largest foil is a fireball 1250 which is a great light wind, small bump foil. I've never proned it though. I have recently added a code 1130s with an adapter which fills the gap between the Konrad and the fireball 1250.

Be very careful with the Axis/Code adapter, those tiny M6 short threads don't stand up to much abuse or corroded threads. Keep the threads rinsed and lubricated to hopefully avoid corrosion issued.
A few have had these threads let go due lack of maintenance or over torquing resulting in loss of the foil glider.

A minor segue: Has anyone used the Konrad GTX 1460? If so, is it similar to the LX970?

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taveray said..
A minor segue: Has anyone used the Konrad GTX 1460? If so, is it similar to the LX970?

I doubt it would be anything like the LX970. The GTX range are based on the axis HPS range whereas the LX are based on Lift HA range.
axisfoils.com/products/hps-1050-carbon-hydrofoil-wing?srsltid=AfmBOorIJ_TBskCVgvNWNsyUzVz9y7qPaW98rrzNAakOm5IfMwdjxg8Z

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I also have the Konrad 970 and absolutely love it. I prone, dockstart, sup and downwind that foil. I recently bought a 1099v2 and sold it after a few sessions. Its bottom end wasn't as good as the Konrad and didn't offer any advantage. My largest foil is a fireball 1250 which is a great light wind, small bump foil. I've never proned it though. I have recently added a code 1130s with an adapter which fills the gap between the Konrad and the fireball 1250.

That's great to know I was worried about that. I wish there was a size up in the lx range for small bumps and sup learning.

Worth thinking about @james? There is a lift ha 180 and an lx1160 has a nice ring to it. I bet you'd shift a few of them. Something with a wing span of 1.1m would be nice

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JayWhitman said..
I also have the Konrad 970 and absolutely love it. I prone, dockstart, sup and downwind that foil. I recently bought a 1099v2 and sold it after a few sessions. Its bottom end wasn't as good as the Konrad and didn't offer any advantage. My largest foil is a fireball 1250 which is a great light wind, small bump foil. I've never proned it though. I have recently added a code 1130s with an adapter which fills the gap between the Konrad and the fireball 1250.

That's great to know I was worried about that. I wish there was a size up in the lx range for small bumps and sup learning.

Worth thinking about @james? There is a lift ha 180 and an lx1160 has a nice ring to it. I bet you'd shift a few of them. Something with a wing span of 1.1m would be nice

I'd buy a LX1160!

I'm really enjoying my LX970 paired with the Advance fuse and Skinny stab. At 86 kg on a 5'1" Duotone Style 85 L, I was out the other day summer-blasting in just 8 knots on an 8 m F-One. It's a beast of a foil, but it gets me up and riding when conditions are marginal. Once I'm flying, it does the job, even if it feels like a handful at times. But here's the thing - as much as I love the foil itself, the AXIS fuselage is ridiculously heavy. When I pick up my mate's Duotone fuse, the weight difference is unbelievable. What's the point of having a super-light board if you're just going to bolt on so much extra metal? The current combo of wings works, but the mast and fuse feel like anchors. That's why I'm seriously considering switching to the complete Duotone Glide 2.0 900 setup. It's so much lighter, and in terms of aspect ratio and riding style, it's basically the same as the LX. Yes, I know Konrad does lighter masts and fuses, but here in Spain they're just too unknown and hard to resell.

I'm really enjoying my LX970 paired with the Advance fuse and Skinny stab. At 86 kg on a 5'1" Duotone Style 85 L, I was out the other day summer-blasting in just 8 knots on an 8 m F-One. It's a beast of a foil, but it gets me up and riding when conditions are marginal. Once I'm flying, it does the job, even if it feels like a handful at times. But here's the thing - as much as I love the foil itself, the AXIS fuselage is ridiculously heavy. When I pick up my mate's Duotone fuse, the weight difference is unbelievable. What's the point of having a super-light board if you're just going to bolt on so much extra metal? The current combo of wings works, but the mast and fuse feel like anchors. That's why I'm seriously considering switching to the complete Duotone Glide 2.0 900 setup. It's so much lighter, and in terms of aspect ratio and riding style, it's basically the same as the LX. Yes, I know Konrad does lighter masts and fuses, but here in Spain they're just too unknown and hard to resell.

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I'm really enjoying my LX970 paired with the Advance fuse and Skinny stab. At 86 kg on a 5'1" Duotone Style 85 L, I was out the other day summer-blasting in just 8 knots on an 8 m F-One. It's a beast of a foil, but it gets me up and riding when conditions are marginal. Once I'm flying, it does the job, even if it feels like a handful at times. But here's the thing - as much as I love the foil itself, the AXIS fuselage is ridiculously heavy. When I pick up my mate's Duotone fuse, the weight difference is unbelievable. What's the point of having a super-light board if you're just going to bolt on so much extra metal? The current combo of wings works, but the mast and fuse feel like anchors. That's why I'm seriously considering switching to the complete Duotone Glide 2.0 900 setup. It's so much lighter, and in terms of aspect ratio and riding style, it's basically the same as the LX. Yes, I know Konrad does lighter masts and fuses, but here in Spain they're just too unknown and hard to resell.

Mmmmm yeah dunno I have just recently swapped to Code & was pretty surprised by the weight of the CF fuse on that. Compared to a F1 fuse yeah it's heavy but compared to some other chunky ones it's not too bad.

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Donathon said..
I'm really enjoying my LX970 paired with the Advance fuse and Skinny stab. At 86 kg on a 5'1" Duotone Style 85 L, I was out the other day summer-blasting in just 8 knots on an 8 m F-One. It's a beast of a foil, but it gets me up and riding when conditions are marginal. Once I'm flying, it does the job, even if it feels like a handful at times. But here's the thing - as much as I love the foil itself, the AXIS fuselage is ridiculously heavy. When I pick up my mate's Duotone fuse, the weight difference is unbelievable. What's the point of having a super-light board if you're just going to bolt on so much extra metal? The current combo of wings works, but the mast and fuse feel like anchors. That's why I'm seriously considering switching to the complete Duotone Glide 2.0 900 setup. It's so much lighter, and in terms of aspect ratio and riding style, it's basically the same as the LX. Yes, I know Konrad does lighter masts and fuses, but here in Spain they're just too unknown and hard to resell.

Mmmmm yeah dunno I have just recently swapped to Code & was pretty surprised by the weight of the CF fuse on that. Compared to a F1 fuse yeah it's heavy but compared to some other chunky ones it's not too bad.

how is the code working out for you, what size etc,.....

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Microsurfer said..

Donathon said..
I'm really enjoying my LX970 paired with the Advance fuse and Skinny stab. At 86 kg on a 5'1" Duotone Style 85 L, I was out the other day summer-blasting in just 8 knots on an 8 m F-One. It's a beast of a foil, but it gets me up and riding when conditions are marginal. Once I'm flying, it does the job, even if it feels like a handful at times. But here's the thing - as much as I love the foil itself, the AXIS fuselage is ridiculously heavy. When I pick up my mate's Duotone fuse, the weight difference is unbelievable. What's the point of having a super-light board if you're just going to bolt on so much extra metal? The current combo of wings works, but the mast and fuse feel like anchors. That's why I'm seriously considering switching to the complete Duotone Glide 2.0 900 setup. It's so much lighter, and in terms of aspect ratio and riding style, it's basically the same as the LX. Yes, I know Konrad does lighter masts and fuses, but here in Spain they're just too unknown and hard to resell.

Mmmmm yeah dunno I have just recently swapped to Code & was pretty surprised by the weight of the CF fuse on that. Compared to a F1 fuse yeah it's heavy but compared to some other chunky ones it's not too bad.

how is the code working out for you, what size etc,.....

Sorry turned out to be a long story. Short story is the first sentence below.
I got a 980s med with 150 tail. I like it, it's good. 86kgs.
While I really liked my lx970 a lot I still felt like I was stranded on a plateau where I still wasn't anywhere near others skill-wise that had been foiling for as long as me. I was pretty sure it was my abilities that was lacking but wanted to make sure it wasn't because the gear was mismatched or wrong for me. I made the mistake of demoing a seven seas 1100 which was amazingly good (for a session I was a foiling God - I think I began to appreciate the MA after going down the HA road.) & that opened my eyes to trying a different brand. What I liked about Fone & code is they sell a complete system with the recommended fuse & tail so no initial guesswork needed. Also you can get on both those platforms at a post beginner stage & keep the foils in your quiver as you progress.
I ordered the Fone however that week the social media was full of stories & videos of people losing planes from the Fone masts. Being used to the Axis fuse I was actually concerned how flimsy it looked when setting up the Fone demo myself. Later that week I watched a local walk out of the water with just the mast. That was it I cancelled the order. Now I know that the snapped screws affect probably less than 0.1% of the Fone foils sold & I still really like F-one gear but unfortunately it planted the seed & I knew I would be paranoid.
So I got the Code. I don't trust reviews that much from some particular brands however the very few reviews of the code seemed more authentic. I think more importantly I've seen a lot of riders out there on Code that don't feel the need to shout about them. As someone said to me they just do their thing well.
I've found the 980s to be very predictable in gybes, - not so much roll as the LX, forgiving in big winds & seas - the LX used to launch me off tops of waves whereas the 980 seems to stick just under the waterline. Both have similar lift. 980 breaches well. I managed to hit the reef with it not long after getting it so can attest to its' ruggedness! I really wish I had bought this foil 3 years ago as I can see it being a solid platform to improve my skills.

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Microsurfer said..

Donathon said..

Microsurfer said..

Donathon said..
I'm really enjoying my LX970 paired with the Advance fuse and Skinny stab. At 86 kg on a 5'1" Duotone Style 85 L, I was out the other day summer-blasting in just 8 knots on an 8 m F-One. It's a beast of a foil, but it gets me up and riding when conditions are marginal. Once I'm flying, it does the job, even if it feels like a handful at times. But here's the thing - as much as I love the foil itself, the AXIS fuselage is ridiculously heavy. When I pick up my mate's Duotone fuse, the weight difference is unbelievable. What's the point of having a super-light board if you're just going to bolt on so much extra metal? The current combo of wings works, but the mast and fuse feel like anchors. That's why I'm seriously considering switching to the complete Duotone Glide 2.0 900 setup. It's so much lighter, and in terms of aspect ratio and riding style, it's basically the same as the LX. Yes, I know Konrad does lighter masts and fuses, but here in Spain they're just too unknown and hard to resell.

Mmmmm yeah dunno I have just recently swapped to Code & was pretty surprised by the weight of the CF fuse on that. Compared to a F1 fuse yeah it's heavy but compared to some other chunky ones it's not too bad.

how is the code working out for you, what size etc,.....

Sorry turned out to be a long story. Short story is the first sentence below.
I got a 980s med with 150 tail. I like it, it's good. 86kgs.
While I really liked my lx970 a lot I still felt like I was stranded on a plateau where I still wasn't anywhere near others skill-wise that had been foiling for as long as me. I was pretty sure it was my abilities that was lacking but wanted to make sure it wasn't because the gear was mismatched or wrong for me. I made the mistake of demoing a seven seas 1100 which was amazingly good (for a session I was a foiling God - I think I began to appreciate the MA after going down the HA road.) & that opened my eyes to trying a different brand. What I liked about Fone & code is they sell a complete system with the recommended fuse & tail so no initial guesswork needed. Also you can get on both those platforms at a post beginner stage & keep the foils in your quiver as you progress.
I ordered the Fone however that week the social media was full of stories & videos of people losing planes from the Fone masts. Being used to the Axis fuse I was actually concerned how flimsy it looked when setting up the Fone demo myself. Later that week I watched a local walk out of the water with just the mast. That was it I cancelled the order. Now I know that the snapped screws affect probably less than 0.1% of the Fone foils sold & I still really like F-one gear but unfortunately it planted the seed & I knew I would be paranoid.
So I got the Code. I don't trust reviews that much from some particular brands however the very few reviews of the code seemed more authentic. I think more importantly I've seen a lot of riders out there on Code that don't feel the need to shout about them. As someone said to me they just do their thing well.
I've found the 980s to be very predictable in gybes, - not so much roll as the LX, forgiving in big winds & seas - the LX used to launch me off tops of waves whereas the 980 seems to stick just under the waterline. Both have similar lift. 980 breaches well. I managed to hit the reef with it not long after getting it so can attest to its' ruggedness! I really wish I had bought this foil 3 years ago as I can see it being a solid platform to improve my skills.

Im In Bali at the moment. I was out paddling the other morning. A guy had a new f-one foil. He was prone foiling. After a hard turn...snap...the fuse and foils went flying off. 3 broken titanium bolts. Lucky he quickly found the fuse and foils.

Has anyone who has owned or ridden the Konrad LX foils moved onto, or at least tried the Surge?
Really curious to hear your thoughts.

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Has anyone who has owned or ridden the Konrad LX foils moved onto, or at least tried the Surge?
Really curious to hear your thoughts.

Yes. I have the LX970 (although it structurally failed after about 8 months.) and now have the surge 950 and 830.

Surge is better in every way so far in my opinion - more pitch stability through speed range, breaches way better, nicer roll feel, and I can be confident it won't break from pumping around like the LX970 did - Axis build quality is excellent and far far superior to LX in my view.

Actually there is one benefit to the LX - tips are blunt. surge tips are quite sharp.

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StephenZ said..
Has anyone who has owned or ridden the Konrad LX foils moved onto, or at least tried the Surge?
Really curious to hear your thoughts.

Yes. I have the LX970 (although it structurally failed after about 8 months.) and now have the surge 950 and 830.

Surge is better in every way so far in my opinion - more pitch stability through speed range, breaches way better, nicer roll feel, and I can be confident it won't break from pumping around like the LX970 did - Axis build quality is excellent and far far superior to LX in my view.

Actually there is one benefit to the LX - tips are blunt. surge tips are quite sharp.

Does the 950 Surge get up onto foil quicker than the LX970 or similar?