Hey Guys,

I've been on the LX970 for a few months now and have found it to be a great all round foil. Im 92kg and use it for both prone and Winging. It glides really well like a HA wing should but has awesome performance in the turns. Only issue I have found is when I'm winging in choppy open water it feels some of the turbulence. But once I'm cruising downwind on a swell its smooth as. I wing ding on a 75cm mast but im thinking an 85 to 90cm mast might help with this turbulence.

I thought the LX would be more suited to experienced foilers but a recently took my mates 16yr old son out on it and he was up and gliding behind the boat in around 10mins on my prone board. Not long after that he was letting go of the rope and pumping well on it. After seeing that i would say its a foil that can take people from their 1st glide to ripping turns.

I haven't ridden Axis so i cant compare them to it. At my weight i never thought i would be riding such a small wing.

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bobdaboarder said..
Hey Guys,

I've been on the LX970 for a few months now and have found it to be a great all round foil. Im 92kg and use it for both prone and Winging. It glides really well like a HA wing should but has awesome performance in the turns. Only issue I have found is when I'm winging in choppy open water it feels some of the turbulence. But once I'm cruising downwind on a swell its smooth as. I wing ding on a 75cm mast but im thinking an 85 to 90cm mast might help with this turbulence.

I thought the LX would be more suited to experienced foilers but a recently took my mates 16yr old son out on it and he was up and gliding behind the boat in around 10mins on my prone board. Not long after that he was letting go of the rope and pumping well on it. After seeing that i would say its a foil that can take people from their 1st glide to ripping turns.

I haven't ridden Axis so i cant compare them to it. At my weight i never thought i would be riding such a small wing.

Nice feedback, I was wininging with an 82cm in an area with heavy chop and decided to go to 90cm, wow what a difference, I think you have just convinced me to go for the LX970 first, I chatted with Konrad foils yesterday and they also gave some great advice.

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Foilinaround said..
Ok first run on the LX760. Sub-optimal conditions but just had to try it.
Went winging, wind was dead offshore 8-12knots and very patchy.
Gear used - DW board, 3.8PPC, 82 mast, adv ultrashort fuse with 360 skinny tail. I am 80kgs.Got up no issues on a gust and felt very slippery.
As Mark has stated previously has excellent lift for size and great glide. It felt like I was riding the 999 but with the snappy manoeuvrability of the 899.
Got the tips out a few times with no issues very similar to a Spitfire breaching. Turning felt like a Spitfire as well way better than the ART.

After the wing decided to try some flat water paddle ups with the LX970. Same set up - DW board same mast, fuse, tail etc.
Took a few attempts and was a bit of a grind but just managed to paddle up on to foil. would move the mast forward a touch and probably go for a larger tail next time. But I will definitely be purchasing the LX970 as well. Will keep posting more reviews as I try it in more conditions.
Cheers

Well that is a very great review, wow 8-12knts and on foil with a 3,8m!! this for me is minimum 5.5m and on the lower end my 8m, I weigh 86kg dry!I had a feeling that the foil would be lively, you mentioned the glide was good as well and turning even breaching, All positives for me, have you though or will you wing with the LX970?

Yes the 3.8 PPC has good grunt for its size. More like a 4-4.5m sail. I haven't found a negative yet!
To be honest I don't think I will use the 970 for winging. So far have found the 760 will cover all winging for my weight, gear and skill level. 970 for me will be for downwinding and small prone conditions.

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Donathon said..

bobdaboarder said..
Hey Guys,

I've been on the LX970 for a few months now and have found it to be a great all round foil. Im 92kg and use it for both prone and Winging. It glides really well like a HA wing should but has awesome performance in the turns. Only issue I have found is when I'm winging in choppy open water it feels some of the turbulence. But once I'm cruising downwind on a swell its smooth as. I wing ding on a 75cm mast but im thinking an 85 to 90cm mast might help with this turbulence.

I thought the LX would be more suited to experienced foilers but a recently took my mates 16yr old son out on it and he was up and gliding behind the boat in around 10mins on my prone board. Not long after that he was letting go of the rope and pumping well on it. After seeing that i would say its a foil that can take people from their 1st glide to ripping turns.

I haven't ridden Axis so i cant compare them to it. At my weight i never thought i would be riding such a small wing.

Nice feedback, I was wininging with an 82cm in an area with heavy chop and decided to go to 90cm, wow what a difference, I think you have just convinced me to go for the LX970 first, I chatted with Konrad foils yesterday and they also gave some great advice.

Interesting... Still thinking about to get both of them. What was ur advice?

Hi,

First time post here, been following this thread with interest.
Long time Axis winger started on HPS 1050 and 880, then ART 1099 and Spitfire 960.
Had been looking for a higher AR foil as didn't like the Spitfire but wanted similar turning and breaching characteristics with the glide of the ART's.
Took a punt and ordered the LX 760 and have been well impressed with everything it does, was a bit concerned about import duties, but was pleasantly suprised delivered to door in a week with import duties of 20 euros to Ireland.
As everyone else has said this small 760 cm2 foil has insane lift for it's size I'm 77Kg and using it all the time now light wind to well powered.

Happy customer,
R

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bobdaboarder said..
Hey Guys,

I've been on the LX970 for a few months now and have found it to be a great all round foil. Im 92kg and use it for both prone and Winging. It glides really well like a HA wing should but has awesome performance in the turns. Only issue I have found is when I'm winging in choppy open water it feels some of the turbulence. But once I'm cruising downwind on a swell its smooth as. I wing ding on a 75cm mast but im thinking an 85 to 90cm mast might help with this turbulence.

I thought the LX would be more suited to experienced foilers but a recently took my mates 16yr old son out on it and he was up and gliding behind the boat in around 10mins on my prone board. Not long after that he was letting go of the rope and pumping well on it. After seeing that i would say its a foil that can take people from their 1st glide to ripping turns.

I haven't ridden Axis so i cant compare them to it. At my weight i never thought i would be riding such a small wing.

Best thing I ever did was move from the 750 mast to a 900 in as far as getting over the peaks without hitting them however i still notice if it's flat shallow water I can feel a lot of turbulence coming up through the mast so not sure if you'd get rid of the sensation - it may even amplify it?

Kids should be banned from trying foiling- it makes us old farts look pretty useless!

You guys aren't doing my attempts at foil buying self control any favours

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Microsurfer said..

bobdaboarder said..
Hey Guys,

I've been on the LX970 for a few months now and have found it to be a great all round foil. Im 92kg and use it for both prone and Winging. It glides really well like a HA wing should but has awesome performance in the turns. Only issue I have found is when I'm winging in choppy open water it feels some of the turbulence. But once I'm cruising downwind on a swell its smooth as. I wing ding on a 75cm mast but im thinking an 85 to 90cm mast might help with this turbulence.

I thought the LX would be more suited to experienced foilers but a recently took my mates 16yr old son out on it and he was up and gliding behind the boat in around 10mins on my prone board. Not long after that he was letting go of the rope and pumping well on it. After seeing that i would say its a foil that can take people from their 1st glide to ripping turns.

I haven't ridden Axis so i cant compare them to it. At my weight i never thought i would be riding such a small wing.

Best thing I ever did was move from the 750 mast to a 900 in as far as getting over the peaks without hitting them however i still notice if it's flat shallow water I can feel a lot of turbulence coming up through the mast so not sure if you'd get rid of the sensation - it may even amplify it?

Kids should be banned from trying foiling- it makes us old farts look pretty useless!

You guys aren't doing my attempts at foil buying self control any favours

Foiling is like doing drugs, once you start you can't stop.

I mainly wing open ocean so the shallow water depths shouldn't be an issue. It's just when there is a solid swell with lots of chop I feel some turbulence going upwind.

Had another awesome weekend on the LX foils.
One day of basically no wind or swell so just working on the flat water paddle ups. I borrowed a larger tail and found that made a big difference flat water starting the LX970. With more practice I think I could go back to the 360 Skinny tail.

Luckily yesterday had some wind from a good direction for a downwinder.
Did a nice 20km run on the LX970, advanced ultrashort fuse and 360 skinny tail.
Was perfect! Low end is just awesome can stand there on a bump with no pressure to find the next one, glide for days!
Then when you do hook into a nice bump its got the speed to keep up and carve as hard as you want.

Super impressed by the LX970 and 760 so far, perfect two foil quiver for all foiling disciplines.

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Foilinaround said..
Had another awesome weekend on the LX foils.
One day of basically no wind or swell so just working on the flat water paddle ups. I borrowed a larger tail and found that made a big difference flat water starting the LX970. With more practice I think I could go back to the 360 Skinny tail.

Luckily yesterday had some wind from a good direction for a downwinder.
Did a nice 20km run on the LX970, advanced ultrashort fuse and 360 skinny tail.
Was perfect! Low end is just awesome can stand there on a bump with no pressure to find the next one, glide for days!
Then when you do hook into a nice bump its got the speed to keep up and carve as hard as you want.

Super impressed by the LX970 and 760 so far, perfect two foil quiver for all foiling disciplines.

Great feedback. So you just use the Konrad front foils & axis rears?

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Microsurfer said..

Foilinaround said..
Had another awesome weekend on the LX foils.
One day of basically no wind or swell so just working on the flat water paddle ups. I borrowed a larger tail and found that made a big difference flat water starting the LX970. With more practice I think I could go back to the 360 Skinny tail.

Luckily yesterday had some wind from a good direction for a downwinder.
Did a nice 20km run on the LX970, advanced ultrashort fuse and 360 skinny tail.
Was perfect! Low end is just awesome can stand there on a bump with no pressure to find the next one, glide for days!
Then when you do hook into a nice bump its got the speed to keep up and carve as hard as you want.

Super impressed by the LX970 and 760 so far, perfect two foil quiver for all foiling disciplines.

Great feedback. So you just use the Konrad front foils & axis rears?

At the moment yes, I sold all my other Axis front wings and tails. And only kept a 360 skinny tail and the advanced ultrashort fuse. Looking to add one more tail to the quiver, just not sure yet what to get.

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bobdaboarder said..
I mainly wing open ocean so the shallow water depths shouldn't be an issue. It's just when there is a solid swell with lots of chop I feel some turbulence going upwind.

Regarding mast length and turbulence felt. For winging, I often swap between 93 and 103cm, and occasionally 83 in flat water. In the ocean there is more or less turbulence at different depths depending on the conditions and depth.

Often with the 103 mast, in deep water and going upwind in large chop, I feel nothing. Totally smooth. But other times, like in shallow water, the surface looks quite peaceful and I'll feel some weird stuff from deeper down.

Also keep in mind, that foil flex makes a big difference to the amount of turbulence you feel. If your LX foil is too stiff+thick in the tips and soft+thin in the middle, then you will feel more vertical bouncing. You could probably feel the difference on land with foils setup on inverted boards. Just use your hands. Compare yours to a few others. Maybe you'd enjoy the LX760 more.

I've just bought the LX970 and here are my rather frothy thoughts after one surf. I'm 65kg, running a HM Mast, Adv. Ultrashort fuse and 350P tail. I'm a pretty average foiler, pumping out most waves and linking a few on a good day. I've been struggling with the Spitfire 900 and was basically looking for something I could pump more easily.

I'm pretty blown away by this wing. It has amazing glide and pump, but is nice and easy to ride. It turns really nicely, not skittishly, but quick enough that it stays under you.

Take off was great on the waves, very progressive and easy. Once or twice I kooked it and the nose of the board hit the water, but this wing just lifted me back up and I carried on, which I haven't experienced before.

Pumping is actually amazing. It just glides along and gives you a little more time to do things, so you can adjust your technique and play around without having to constantly stress about keeping high on the mast. If you just let it glide, it just seems to lift and lift, and I breached a couple of times because I made myself too light and it popped out of the water. It glides really nicely off the back of the wave and keeps that speed up. Once you're off the back, you could pump along quite happily with a light tapping technique, but I'm looking forward to playing with different styles.

Pitch wise, it reacts really quickly to inputs, but it's very manageable and easy to control. Other wings I've used, like the Armstrong MA1000 were really hard in this regard. Maybe because it's got so much lift, it doesn't stall out and is more forgiving.

Turning. As I said, is great. I've tried wings like the 999 or the Armstrong 1125 and they just wanted to go straight, so you'd try to turn and either fall off the side, or get locked into the radius. The LX970 seems very well behaved and I was comfortable straight away.

So in short I'm super excited and frothy about this wing, it's exactly what I've been looking for - turny, easy to pump and something I feel I can progress one. I know it's probably a bit big for my weight, but it's very manageable and easy to use. I'm hoping I can run it off a dock and hunt wakes, then it would be the perfect one wing quiver.

Sounds all great but I still wonder what will an 95kg guy say and how is it with winging and jumping and Surffoil weaker waves....? I don't know... I am somehow impressed too and nearly ordered one. But still Uncertain... Also someone said new axis foil on the run sitting Between art pro and Spitefire!? Spitefire pro?

Yeah I hear you for sure, it's hard to bite the bullet and just go and grab one. I absolutely get the lure of a new foil just around the corner too, but I've waited for new foils from big brands before and been super dissapointed (looking at you MA1000), so this time it was great to take a punt and get a foil I'm really stoked with.
Unfortunately I haven't had a day off with waves again, but I did run it off the dock yesterday just for fun, and it's actually pretty awesome to dockstart. It's a little pitch happy, so perhaps a little trickier to get going than say a Spitfire 900, but once you're on you feet, it's way way better at pumping. I bashed the board into the water a number of times and was able to get it back on foil, which is pretty cool. I think this will translate into surfing weaker waves, with that ability to foil at slower speeds and pump it back up to speed.

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Driks said..
Sounds all great but I still wonder what will an 95kg guy say and how is it with winging and jumping and Surffoil weaker waves....? I don't know... I am somehow impressed too and nearly ordered one. But still Uncertain... Also someone said new axis foil on the run sitting Between art pro and Spitefire!? Spitefire pro?

Hey Driks,

Im 93kg and have been on the LX970 for around 4 months. I have found it very similar to espitika. I use it for all my foiling adventures prone,
winging and wakefoilig. It goes great in small wave for proning and larger swells when im winging. i may look at the smaller 760 for winging on stronger days and big swells.

Hey!
Thank u so far. U still hold something bigger from axis? Atm I got PNG 1150 for pumpfoil, ART Pro 1201 for lightwind and I tried it once for small waves, Art 999 for mid to high wind and I bought the SF 900 for prone and more wind with chop or waves. Sometimes I thought I should take the 999 hold it together with the 900 and hammer them together to one Piece to get the melange of both.

Have Axis copied the LX970?? Be interesting to hear the difference between these & the new V2 range.

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Microsurfer said..
Have Axis copied the LX970?? Be interesting to hear the difference between these & the new V2 range.

hardly a copy, even the plan shape alone looks completely different !!

Can anyone tell me how the lift off of the LX970 compares to the hps980 and or the 999.

the new axis v2 doesn't have camber so that will explain the difference

I wonder what the konrad loses for the added camber. A lot of the newer foils going this route. On the Army HA v2 the top end seems lower

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cornwallis said..
the new axis v2 doesn't have camber so that will explain the difference

I wonder what the konrad loses for the added camber. A lot of the newer foils going this route. On the Army HA v2 the top end seems lower

Really? That's interesting and as you say, goes against the current trend.
Maybe the Konrad loses a little top end speed? I haven't noticed it, but I'd it does, it's so good at low end that I don't mind at all. I've had a few more sessions with it and it's just awesome. Linking waves is where it really stands out and I've dockstarted it quite happily so hoping it'll do everything. I reckon DW winging will be great too, with that pump and glide.

My Lx 970 Has arrived and it looks awesome. I haven't used it yet but I thought I'd measure it just to see what the angle to the mast was. It measured about 2 degrees and compared to the 999 V1 which is 1.25 approximately. So its going to be like 3.5 degrees from a progressive stab with no shim. So with that foil shape and the increased angle of attack i would think earlier lift and lower top end. Then again I don't know s**t.

Have been on the LX760 and 970 for the last 2 months for all foiling - prone, winging and downwinding. I have found that if there is a loss of top speed its so small I can't feel the difference, I would say I am definitely doing faster average speeds downwinding and like many have said the low end advantage over the Axis foils of similar size is such a bonus. Means you can size down much earlier giving more manoeuvrability and better speed. The LX foils are also extremely efficient, downwind I am able to cut large angles easily which has allowed me more time downwinding in less than ideal conditions. Interesting @damageddad you found a slight increase in angle of attack compare to ART V1s. I've found with the skinny stab the LX foils to be very even foot pressure so I am now running a 1 degree (thick part facing forward) baseplate shim for everything and that feels really good for me.
If anyone is looking to keep a simple foil setup you can't go wrong with the LX foils to cover everything.

How is the LX970 in choppy conditions?
At what wind speeds would it top out at?
85kgs currently on a hps980. I love the 980 but I'm after something more glidey and better when the wind drops to 12knots during a session.

Hopefully selling my last bad foil purchase so will have some money to put towards a new one.
I'm really liking the discussion and reviews of the foils on this forum

Be great to hear more feed back on the LX foils on prone or if anyone has more comparison to code or Armstrong foils

Hi, I wing a HPS980 on small/light wind days and a ART999 v1 for bigger/stronger wind days. I sometimes use the 999 for proning.

I love the 980 but I don't particularly like the ART, mainly due to the low speed drop that happens suddenly but frequently (at least to me).
I am considering swapping the ART with one of those Konrad. After reading this thread I'm not sure I should go for the LX970 (similar size to the 999) or even the smaller LX760. I'm around 60kg and intermediate skill level.

It would be good to be able to demo those wings!

@Microsurfer I personally am just using the LX760 for all my winging and I am 80kgs. I prefer to keep the one size foil and just change sail size depending on conditions. I've got x2 mates that only use the 970 and they have been out in a good 25knots with no issues, having plenty of fun. If you are use to the hps980 the LX970 will handle a lot rougher conditions for sure.

@TakeOffAus4 I've proned the LX760 and 970 a ton unfortunately can't compare to Code or Armstrong as have only ridden Axis, Unifoil and Gofoil in the past. 970 I use if it's small or I just want to pump around and cruise although it can lay some turns if you want. The 760 is obviously much more agile and fun to lay some serious turns, it can still pump fine at my weight you've just got to keep the speed up but happily getting 3 for 1's without getting too gassed.

@toroop at 60kgs I'd recommend the 760 as the 970 has more lift than the 999. Then use 760 for windier days and HPS980 for lighter days although at your weight as you progress you could easily just use the 760.

I wanted to address a few questions that have come up and thank everyone for the great discussions about the wings-your feedback is invaluable!

First off, we're not marketing experts. Konrad has been crafting foils and boards for about eight seasons now, driven by a deep passion for water sports and a strong engineering background. While marketing isn't our specialty, we're fully committed to creating top-notch products.

The Story of the LX: We were inspired by the Lift HA series, which we thoroughly enjoyed, and decided to develop a similar wing specifically for a popular foil brand in Australia. The LX wing began as an experiment to see how the Axis community would respond to a wing influenced by another brand's design. The feedback has been incredible, with multiple production runs selling out quickly.

What Does LX Stand For? The "LX" means "Lift wing, Axis mount." We used the popular dimensions of the Lift HA 120 and 150 wings as a foundation to create the wings. Replicating the Lift wing sections exactly is not possible, we developed our own section that performs similarly-and in some aspects, even better.

The LX fills a unique gap in the Axis range, excelling in early lift, low stall speed, smooth glide, and delivering a surfy feel with excellent tip breaching. For many riders, these two wings could be all they need in a quiver. The LX is no slouch, but if you're looking for rip your eyelids back speed, the LX might not be your wing. But if you're after a super fun wing that keeps you foiling, handles sharp turns, and delivers long glides and pump runs that will make your friends jealous, the LX is an excellent choice. If you're curious about Lift but don't want to switch foil brands, this wing is perfect for you too!

Note: The LX is not designed for jumping.

If you're in Sydney or the Gold Coast, feel free to DM me to set up a demo ride.

We're also about to release a new universal stabiliser. It's flippable, highly efficient, and will give your foil setup an amazing surfy feel!

Sounds good. I will hopefully be putting in an order this week.