Got mine today, almost two weeks snail mail, why they don't use express satchels is beyond me, mine was ordered at end December, told would be shipped 21-26 January, eventually after chasing up got shipped 3rd February, now got to give it a go, can't wait!!!??

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CH3MTR4IL5 said..

Youngbreezy said..
I'm just wondering if anyone on here who was told their wing would ship in the second week of feb has received it yet? When I ordered the confirmation email said it would be ready to ship now but I haven't received any emails telling me it's been sent. I also emailed them and they haven't gotten back to me to confirm shipping of my order. Probably just frothing out a bit too much and getting impatient but thought I'd check if other seabreezers had received theirs?

Got mine yesterday too. I got an email the previous week to say it would be shipping. I'd give them a call.

On a related note, what the hell is going on with the belt - there is no world where i can fit a parawing in that??

Has a big pocket.

Unless you have a different belt to me, no it doesn't.

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Thatspec said..

hilly said..
Got mine yesterday. Stoked with how it flies. Easy to get up on foil and go upwind. Game changer for me.

Hilly, what size(s) did you get? Did you decide the 2.9M BRM was of too small most of time?

The Dwing and BRM fly differently. BRM constant pull downwind great for heading off downwinding hard to go upwind. Dwing flies more forward in the window suits what I want to do. Upwind downwind.

Hey Hilly does this mean you got the 3m Dwing. Currently tossing up between 3 and 4.2 size for Perth summers. Rider weight 88kg, 85l mid length board, 925cm2 foil AR 8.8, competent winger. Advice to date seems you need a larger size to get up on foil then a smaller one once on foil. Same as you more interested in upwind downwind.

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Thatspec said..

hilly said..
Got mine yesterday. Stoked with how it flies. Easy to get up on foil and go upwind. Game changer for me.

Hilly, what size(s) did you get? Did you decide the 2.9M BRM was of too small most of time?

The Dwing and BRM fly differently. BRM constant pull downwind great for heading off downwinding hard to go upwind. Dwing flies more forward in the window suits what I want to do. Upwind downwind.

I wonder if the size is relevant. I have used both the 5.1 BRM and 4.2 DFLOW to go up and down my local lake. No issues up or down.

I only have issues when over powered on the BRM with jellyfishing, whereas the DFLOW is much more generous in maintaining it's leading edge shape.

Upwind the Dwing is best. Pack down BRM is best. Pick your flavour

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Dorro said..

You guys are all my weight or bigger, 87-90Kg so I'm just curious how relevant a 3M is for you. I'm finding my Ensis 3M a NO go in conditions that I can use a 3.5M Strike V4 on a big board and foil (15-18Kn). Starting in March the trades will kick back in with lots of 20-30+ so I'm guess it'll be optimum then. I'd definitely need a bigger Pwing under 20 though...

Here's "Sveny" on a 5.1 BRM in what looks like 25+ but he's 110Kg and not going upwind. It's all a bit confusing...
www.facebook.com/share/r/15yzakczyk/

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hilly said..

Dorro said..

You guys are all my weight or bigger, 87-90Kg so I'm just curious how relevant a 3M is for you. I'm finding my Ensis 3M a NO go in conditions that I can use a 3.5M Strike V4 on a big board and foil (15-18Kn). Starting in March the trades will kick back in with lots of 20-30+ so I'm guess it'll be optimum then. I'd definitely need a bigger Pwing under 20 though...

Here's "Sveny" on a 5.1 BRM in what looks like 25+ but he's 110Kg and not going upwind. It's all a bit confusing...
www.facebook.com/share/r/15yzakczyk/

At 93 kg I am finding my range on brm to be 15-20 5.1, 18-25 4.0 and 20 + 2.9. It seems like if I can get on foil I can go upwind reasonably well. At the top end, getting on foil isn't an issue but turning upwind becomes very difficult, the wing powers up too much and can lead to some nice blow ups.... If you are downwinding, you can probably add 5 knots to the top end since you can depower by turning downwind

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hilly said..

Dorro said..

You guys are all my weight or bigger, 87-90Kg so I'm just curious how relevant a 3M is for you. I'm finding my Ensis 3M a NO go in conditions that I can use a 3.5M Strike V4 on a big board and foil (15-18Kn). Starting in March the trades will kick back in with lots of 20-30+ so I'm guess it'll be optimum then. I'd definitely need a bigger Pwing under 20 though...

Here's "Sveny" on a 5.1 BRM in what looks like 25+ but he's 110Kg and not going upwind. It's all a bit confusing...
www.facebook.com/share/r/15yzakczyk/

really depends on the board you are using. I am similar weight to you and I plan to add a 3m to the quiver eventually for 25+ days. I have a BRM 5.1M that I can use once its 15+. I think to get the most of a 3m you will need neutral or even positive vol board with an efficient/narrow planning hull. I just picked up a 78l FOne mid length. Its super stable which is key for PW. Have had a couple of good sessions on it already. I do need a gust to get going but its very stable for waiting for that gust despite being only 19 wide. If I only had a 3m I would be only riding my DW board until it was 20-25+

the flow belt has a massive pouch when not worn... but as soon as it is on your waist, the pouch is stretched and is way too small.

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hilly said..

Dorro said..

You guys are all my weight or bigger, 87-90Kg so I'm just curious how relevant a 3M is for you. I'm finding my Ensis 3M a NO go in conditions that I can use a 3.5M Strike V4 on a big board and foil (15-18Kn). Starting in March the trades will kick back in with lots of 20-30+ so I'm guess it'll be optimum then. I'd definitely need a bigger Pwing under 20 though...

Here's "Sveny" on a 5.1 BRM in what looks like 25+ but he's 110Kg and not going upwind. It's all a bit confusing...
www.facebook.com/share/r/15yzakczyk/

What "big board and foil" are you using?

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Dorro Hey Hilly does this mean you got the 3m Dwing. Currently tossing up between 3 and 4.2 size for Perth summers. Rider weight 88kg, 85l mid length board, 925cm2 foil AR 8.8, competent winger. Advice to date seems you need a larger size to get up on foil then a smaller one once on foil. Same as you more interested in upwind downwind.

Have ordered the 3m to go with my 4.2.
As far as the belt goes the pouch on mine is stretchy material with the actual belt not stretchy so you can stuff a wing in. Might struggle with the 4.2. I have canned it in favour of a harness. If I get to the point of wanting to stow the wing I will use Michael Shepherd's idea of a stretchy vest above the harness.

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Thatspec said..

hilly said..

Dorro said..

You guys are all my weight or bigger, 87-90Kg so I'm just curious how relevant a 3M is for you. I'm finding my Ensis 3M a NO go in conditions that I can use a 3.5M Strike V4 on a big board and foil (15-18Kn). Starting in March the trades will kick back in with lots of 20-30+ so I'm guess it'll be optimum then. I'd definitely need a bigger Pwing under 20 though...

Here's "Sveny" on a 5.1 BRM in what looks like 25+ but he's 110Kg and not going upwind. It's all a bit confusing...
www.facebook.com/share/r/15yzakczyk/

What "big board and foil" are you using?

I hate to get lost in the gear comparisons but here goes... 115L custom Kalama 6'5x23 that weighs 12#. Code 1075R / 135R. 87-90Kg 3M Ensis. This foil lifts in 12Kn with a 3.5M wing and my 8' 127L DW board. Also easy to paddle this combo up. Yeah, the DW board gets going a little easier than the Kalama but ultimately the point is to use an 82L mid length.

I did get up today on the Kalama and had my longest reaches to date, was wishing for a harness line. It was cloudy, so hard to gauge but definitely looked like a sustained 20+ gust that got me going along w/ a lot of pumping. Once up of course I was foiling through 10Kn holes with a few pumps. There were also gusts where I felt like a 4M would be too much to go upwind with.

So yeah... looking forward to my 4.2 D-wing and / or better conditions...

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really depends on the board you are using. I am similar weight to you and I plan to add a 3m to the quiver eventually for 25+ days. I have a BRM 5.1M that I can use once its 15+. I think to get the most of a 3m you will need neutral or even positive vol board with an efficient/narrow planning hull. I just picked up a 78l FOne mid length. Its super stable which is key for PW. Have had a couple of good sessions on it already. I do need a gust to get going but its very stable for waiting for that gust despite being only 19 wide. If I only had a 3m I would be only riding my DW board until it was 20-25+

That's great to hear, I have the '25 F-one 82L mid length coming next month, also 19" wide. My DW board is 19.5 and it's a fair bit 'rollier' than the Kalama's 23" but takes off sooner. Guessing once I get the 4.2 I won't be using the 3M so often.

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Thatspec said..

foilthegreats said..

Thatspec said..

hilly said..

Dorro said..

You guys are all my weight or bigger, 87-90Kg so I'm just curious how relevant a 3M is for you. I'm finding my Ensis 3M a NO go in conditions that I can use a 3.5M Strike V4 on a big board and foil (15-18Kn). Starting in March the trades will kick back in with lots of 20-30+ so I'm guess it'll be optimum then. I'd definitely need a bigger Pwing under 20 though...

Here's "Sveny" on a 5.1 BRM in what looks like 25+ but he's 110Kg and not going upwind. It's all a bit confusing...
www.facebook.com/share/r/15yzakczyk/

What "big board and foil" are you using?

I hate to get lost in the gear comparisons but here goes... 115L custom Kalama 6'5x23 that weighs 12#. Code 1075R / 135R. 87-90Kg 3M Ensis. This foil lifts in 12Kn with a 3.5M wing and my 8' 127L DW board. Also easy to paddle this combo up. Yeah, the DW board gets going a little easier than the Kalama but ultimately the point is to use an 82L mid length.

I did get up today on the Kalama and had my longest reaches to date, was wishing for a harness line. It was cloudy, so hard to gauge but definitely looked like a sustained 20+ gust that got me going along w/ a lot of pumping. Once up of course I was foiling through 10Kn holes with a few pumps. There were also gusts where I felt like a 4M would be too much to go upwind with.

So yeah... looking forward to my 4.2 D-wing and / or better conditions...

I'm sure your new board will be a better fit. If I'm underpowered I will taxi out until I have decent bumps and will try using a bump assist to get going. Feels really similar to getting going with a DW SUP on the bumps. Use the Parawing to get into position and pump like mad when the bump hits. Biggest thing to look out for is to push the Parawing to the side so you don't run over it. I almost look like I'm paddling with the Parawing bar air guitar style. I also think using a mid aspect surf foil is easier to get going as well.

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Youngbreezy said..
I'm just wondering if anyone on here who was told their wing would ship in the second week of feb has received it yet? When I ordered the confirmation email said it would be ready to ship now but I haven't received any emails telling me it's been sent. I also emailed them and they haven't gotten back to me to confirm shipping of my order. Probably just frothing out a bit too much and getting impatient but thought I'd check if other seabreezers had received theirs?

Got my shipping notification today
im in Sydney and it's due for delivery this Friday/next Monday

Due to many requests, I just released a clip for the D-Wing so you can attach the handle to a standard waist leash. Makes packing down way easier with less tangles and easier redeployment. Harness lines for the parawing and hooks also available. shepherdwatersports.etsy.com/listing/1875198239

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Due to many requests, I just released a clip for the D-Wing so you can attach the handle to a standard waist leash. Makes packing down way easier with less tangles and easier redeployment. Harness lines for the parawing and hooks also available. shepherdwatersports.etsy.com/listing/1875198239

Like the clip!

Anyone have a rough idea on harness line length (bar to hook). I'm guessing about 38-43cm? Obviously longer for orangutans like myself (201cm span). What length do you use and what's your height or arm span?

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Sheps said..
Due to many requests, I just released a clip for the D-Wing so you can attach the handle to a standard waist leash. Makes packing down way easier with less tangles and easier redeployment. Harness lines for the parawing and hooks also available. shepherdwatersports.etsy.com/listing/1875198239

Like the clip!

Anyone have a rough idea on harness line length (bar to hook). I'm guessing about 38-43cm? Obviously longer for orangutans like myself (201cm span). What length do you use and what's your height or arm span?

I use a 16" monoline. I think super short is best for going upwind. I want the Parawing low and horizontal to myself to power upwind. Also a super short monoline prevents tangles. No need to have your arm stretched out and Parawing high. Also a super rigid monoline like this is so easy to get in and out of super fast.

That looks good to me, easy to get to. 16" = 40cm so looks like I'm close. Have got something homemade and adjustable rigged up until I can find a favorite length.

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Sheps said..
Due to many requests, I just released a clip for the D-Wing so you can attach the handle to a standard waist leash. Makes packing down way easier with less tangles and easier redeployment. Harness lines for the parawing and hooks also available. shepherdwatersports.etsy.com/listing/1875198239

Like the clip!

Anyone have a rough idea on harness line length (bar to hook). I'm guessing about 38-43cm? Obviously longer for orangutans like myself (201cm span). What length do you use and what's your height or arm span?

I like to keep my harness line as short as possible while still being able to extend my arm out (not fully, elbow needs to be bent a little). A short harness has the benefit of not tangling, while a longer one allows you to open your stance and get the body into a good position. I've added elastic to the dyneema to achieve both a short line which doesn't tangle one that extends to optimum length when riding. Riders can adjust length to suit, but I like to have the plastic tube close to the bar for most compact. Lengthening compromises compactness a little but it's still very compact. I myself prefer the split line but with the plastic tube as it allows the rider to effortlessly control the Parawing's angle of attach one handed. Excuse the low res. photo below..I'm using my harness here

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I like to keep my harness line as short as possible while still being able to extend my arm out (not fully, elbow needs to be bent a little). A short harness has the benefit of not tangling, while a longer one allows you to open your stance and get the body into a good position. I've added elastic to the dyneema to achieve both a short line which doesn't tangle one that extends to optimum length when riding. Riders can adjust length to suit, but I like to have the plastic tube close to the bar for most compact. Lengthening compromises compactness a little but it's still very compact. I myself prefer the split line but with the plastic tube as it allows the rider to effortlessly control the Parawing's angle of attach one handed. Excuse the low res. photo below..I'm using my harness here

That also looks really good. The bungie keeps the tubing in close to the bar and semi rigid when not hooked in. Probably also keeps you from coming unhooked accidentally. Which brings up another interesting but not actually new issue from kitesurfing days. There is some serious potential for injury from not being able to unhook, getting yanked off downwind with the leashed board and foil potentially cartwheeling wind assisted at you (go on, ask me how I figured this out). Maybe time to dump the board leash, should be much easier to get back to the board with a PW

I noticed this the other day in very gusty 10-35Kn conditions

I am using a loop style harness line similar to Sheps. I don't switch feet so just ride toeside on port reach. Holding the PW with one hand unhooked is a great feeling when perfectly powered. When the bigger gusts hit the brm it goes all ape **** and pulls erratically in different directions especially hard to deal with when on toeside reach. Anyway, I figured out yesterday that the loop harness line can be held by my free hand (left) to aid my right hand which is on the control bar. This or just hook in. It was my first time out in sizeable lake tahoe waves on the PW and I ended up getting my leg all tangled in the bridals. it took a few minutes to sort out.

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I am using a loop style harness line similar to Sheps. I don't switch feet so just ride toeside on port reach. Holding the PW with one hand unhooked is a great feeling when perfectly powered. When the bigger gusts hit the brm it goes all ape **** and pulls erratically in different directions especially hard to deal with when on toeside reach. Anyway, I figured out yesterday that the loop harness line can be held by my free hand (left) to aid my right hand which is on the control bar. This or just hook in. It was my first time out in sizeable lake tahoe waves on the PW and I ended up getting my leg all tangled in the bridals. it took a few minutes to sort out.

Geezes, Lake Tahoe this time of the year? That is a mighty cold session

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broVan said..
I am using a loop style harness line similar to Sheps. I don't switch feet so just ride toeside on port reach. Holding the PW with one hand unhooked is a great feeling when perfectly powered. When the bigger gusts hit the brm it goes all ape **** and pulls erratically in different directions especially hard to deal with when on toeside reach. Anyway, I figured out yesterday that the loop harness line can be held by my free hand (left) to aid my right hand which is on the control bar. This or just hook in. It was my first time out in sizeable lake tahoe waves on the PW and I ended up getting my leg all tangled in the bridals. it took a few minutes to sort out.

Geezes, Lake Tahoe this time of the year? That is a mighty cold session

Air temp was 50's F. Tahoe isn't as cold as everyone thinks. Lot's of rain in winter at lake level. February warmish session was definitely a treat! We get frontal winds this time of year when the storms roll in. So good. Swell is regularly head high. Shore pound can be a bear to get through.

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dafish said..

broVan said..
I am using a loop style harness line similar to Sheps. I don't switch feet so just ride toeside on port reach. Holding the PW with one hand unhooked is a great feeling when perfectly powered. When the bigger gusts hit the brm it goes all ape **** and pulls erratically in different directions especially hard to deal with when on toeside reach. Anyway, I figured out yesterday that the loop harness line can be held by my free hand (left) to aid my right hand which is on the control bar. This or just hook in. It was my first time out in sizeable lake tahoe waves on the PW and I ended up getting my leg all tangled in the bridals. it took a few minutes to sort out.

Geezes, Lake Tahoe this time of the year? That is a mighty cold session

Air temp was 50's F. Tahoe isn't as cold as everyone thinks. Lot's of rain in winter at lake level. February warmish session was definitely a treat! We get frontal winds this time of year when the storms roll in. So good. Swell is regularly head high. Shore pound can be a bear to get through.

It's a might big lake for sure. Though I immigrated to Oz 35 years ago, I lived in Mammoth for five years prior. Used to hit up Tahoe a few times a year. Stay warm!

Any other stow options?
BRM and flow belts seem too small for on foiling stowing.
Up the rashie seems to work in some videos I've seen but not overly secure.

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Spark said..
Any other stow options?
BRM and flow belts seem too small for on foiling stowing.
Up the rashie seems to work in some videos I've seen but not overly secure.

Looking for stow options as well. The rashy beer belly method works fine on the water but can be a little sketchy when going through the shore pound. I had a wave pull it out once and that was not ideal.

Due to a mandatory paddle to the windline at my local, I rigged up a handle holder with an unused RE Nug (sans hook) and 3M Command Broomholder. Works great with the Dwing handle.

Awesome, I'm getting one ^^^

After considerable experimentation, just stuffing the bar between my harness and body works best leaving both hands completely free to bundle the wing. Bundling the bar with the wing had my redeploy success rate quite low.

I can see (or feel) that I'll need to go back to the kite harness for serious upwind work. There is considerably more pull than with a wing or at least pull in a different way.