Im currently using a naish micro hover for both
and looking at getting a tabou magic carpet
as a replacement.

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snides8 said..
Im currently using a naish micro hover for both
and looking at getting a tabou magic carpet
as a replacement.

why to replace the micro hover? bad experience?

. sup.star-board.com/hard-paddle-board/hyper-nut-foil-4-in-1/



Beautiful product but I couldn't even find this on the Starboard windsurfing website. It's 'hidden' on a parallel sup starboard website.

70% of your list can be scratched. You stated that you want to wind foil 60-80% of the time. Focus on that first. I would get the best wind foil board and just make sure that it has front and rear center straps for winging. The other issue is actually getting a board. Many might not be available where you live. Now you might be down to 2-3 boards to choose from.

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MProject04 said..
HELP: I am getting lost with all the choice out there. The lines are getting blurred from windfoil to sup foil to wingfoil.. to something called prone surf etc. It's becoming extremely time consuming to make an overview and compare offers. Also online shops are increasingly classifying everything across categories.

I am looking for a single board for:
- freeride windfoiling (60-80% of its use)
- wingfoiling (remainder of its use)

Additionally:
-Anything involving paddling is to be completely excluded/avoided.
-Fin windsurfing: not needed.
-The board should have a US double track. DT may be optional.
-Volume can be between 105-130L. Boards that are short with lots of max volume range are preferred.
-There should be footstrap positions for both windfoiling and winging.
-Mast connection can be single screw or mast track.
-Nothing inflatable please.
-Primary use is on flatwater.
-Carrying handle would be nice / not critical if not there


What board models should I be looking at?

I just ordered a 2021 Starboard Futura 71 (119L). I am still doing almost exclusively windsurfing. Just to give some percentages this, my light wind board, will see 80% windsurfing and 20% foiling with a low expect Moses 790 foil.

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lairdkilgour said..
RRD Pocket Rocket, has it all:
Tuttle Foil box, US double track, complete softdeck cover, carrying handle on top and bottom, only 180cm long, enough volume to uphaul easily (82kg rider). Love it, riding it with the Super Cruiser and Ezzy Zetas or with a Duotone Unit wing.

I find this a fascinating board. However I saw a youtube review of it by Stefan Haberl, and he seemed to make very good points on the limitations of the footstrap positions. He pointed out that the rear outward positions made no sense, as your heels get into the water. What's your take on the footstrap positioning?

I ride strapless, but he's right, the rear outside position is too far out for low aspect foils and corresponding small sails.
The inside position is spot on however, I usually find my feet exactly at that position, front and back foot.

It seems that brands (and shops) are still experimenting with the different foil styles and throwing everything in the mix to be on the safe side.
The same goes for foil sails, I was told to use a 7m heavy 3-cambered foil sail on the pocket rocket, when all it needs in 10 kn is a super light 5.3 - 5.6 freestyle or wave sail...

foil x wing by starboard

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MProject04 said..

snides8 said..
Im currently using a naish micro hover for both
and looking at getting a tabou magic carpet
as a replacement.

why to replace the micro hover? bad experience?

Not at all, just wanted something that had strap options for winging.
To have 1 board that can do multiple things well without too many compromised is a dream
but i think the Tabou magic carpet is getting closer.

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seanhogan said..
foil x wing by starboard

Where can I find more info on this? The footstrap positions look ideal (and like the biggest change)

EDIT: found a description here www.nbwindsurfing.com/shop/c/p/Starboard-Foil-X-Wing-2021-x51637491.htm

Interesting: two leash inserts on the front and rear of board, with the front one to connect the wing to the board - so no need for the wing to wrist (at least an added option)

What I like too is that the mast connection is nearly in the middle of the board which is good for uphauling.

Thanks seanhogan!

no worries, definitely the most evolved prooduct to do both !

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seanhogan said..
foil x wing by starboard

Does this have a mast track?

yes, the photo is from the catalog, cad picture, not sure if mast track or mast insert though !

The forward leash plug is an interesting idea.

yes they've put it on all their wing boards; clever

one big pad would be nice for kneeling wing starts. Easier on the knees/ wetsuit.

The Starboard looks/reads genious! (Ok, they should put a big deckpad on it)
Pics of the bottom?

(I so much wished Goya had done something like that with their Air Bolt (i'm a long time Goya fanboy), but they seem to got stuck with their strategy, Goya=Windsurfing/-foiling=Air Bolt vs. Quatro= Wave-WS + Wing/Surf/SUP/Kite= Wing Drifter, so that such nice Wing/Windfoil boards got lost inbetween)

More pics of the x wing here: www.surfspot.se/starboard-foil-x-wing-2021-foil.html

I am definitely interested in a board like this (and the tabou magic carpet / zeeko) that has foil tracks and deep Tuttle.

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AlexF said..
The Starboard looks/reads genious! (Ok, they should put a big deckpad on it)
Pics of the bottom?

(I so much wished Goya had done something like that with their Air Bolt (i'm a long time Goya fanboy), but they seem to got stuck with their strategy, Goya=Windsurfing/-foiling=Air Bolt vs. Quatro= Wave-WS + Wing/Surf/SUP/Kite= Wing Drifter, so that such nice Wing/Windfoil boards got lost inbetween)

Agreed !!!

To convert from wind foil to wing foil, simply remove the wind foil from the tail and mount the wing foil to the twin US box tracks. Optionally, you can move footstraps to the wing-foil positions to add control. Two leash inserts allow you to secure the board.

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WaveMuppet said..
More pics of the x wing here: www.surfspot.se/starboard-foil-x-wing-2021-foil.html

that quote above is from the starboard description
that limits which foils can be used , I've got the Armstrong foil kits.
these are US double box only.
what we need is a board like the starboard foil x 2021 BUT with a longer adjustable foil box that goes all the way to the tail
back to the drawing board folks.

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Boracay.Villas said..
To convert from wind foil to wing foil, simply remove the wind foil from the tail and mount the wing foil to the twin US box tracks. Optionally, you can move footstraps to the wing-foil positions to add control. Two leash inserts allow you to secure the board.

WaveMuppet said..
More pics of the x wing here: www.surfspot.se/starboard-foil-x-wing-2021-foil.html

that quote above is from the starboard description
that limits which foils can be used , I've got the Armstrong foil kits.
these are US double box only.
what we need is a board like the starboard foil x 2021 BUT with a longer adjustable foil box that goes all the way to the tail
back to the drawing board folks.

I find if baffling that we need a different foil mounting system for different positions on the same board.,.!?!? My rrd pocket rocket is the same. Either give me long enough twin tracks to cover all options or even 2 deep Tuttle boxes. One for sails and one for wings.
I really hate faffing with different foil heads.
typical of this industry to so nearly get it right????

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Boracay.Villas said..
To convert from wind foil to wing foil, simply remove the wind foil from the tail and mount the wing foil to the twin US box tracks. Optionally, you can move footstraps to the wing-foil positions to add control. Two leash inserts allow you to secure the board.

WaveMuppet said..
More pics of the x wing here: www.surfspot.se/starboard-foil-x-wing-2021-foil.html

that quote above is from the starboard description
that limits which foils can be used , I've got the Armstrong foil kits.
these are US double box only.
what we need is a board like the starboard foil x 2021 BUT with a longer adjustable foil box that goes all the way to the tail
back to the drawing board folks.

I find if baffling that we need a different foil mounting system for different positions on the same board.,.!?!? My rrd pocket rocket is the same. Either give me long enough twin tracks to cover all options or even 2 deep Tuttle boxes. One for sails and one for wings.
I really hate faffing with different foil heads.
typical of this industry to so nearly get it right????

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nimo1972 said..

Boracay.Villas said..
To convert from wind foil to wing foil, simply remove the wind foil from the tail and mount the wing foil to the twin US box tracks. Optionally, you can move footstraps to the wing-foil positions to add control. Two leash inserts allow you to secure the board.

WaveMuppet said..
More pics of the x wing here: www.surfspot.se/starboard-foil-x-wing-2021-foil.html

that quote above is from the starboard description
that limits which foils can be used , I've got the Armstrong foil kits.
these are US double box only.
what we need is a board like the starboard foil x 2021 BUT with a longer adjustable foil box that goes all the way to the tail
back to the drawing board folks.

I find if baffling that we need a different foil mounting system for different positions on the same board.,.!?!? My rrd pocket rocket is the same. Either give me long enough twin tracks to cover all options or even 2 deep Tuttle boxes. One for sails and one for wings.
I really hate faffing with different foil heads.
typical of this industry to so nearly get it right????

Yeah it is kind of silly. I guess they are trying not to exclude those who are pro tuttle or who currently own tuttle systems.

Tracks are the way to go for sure, esp when mounting foils/boards from different manufacturers.

I have a Naish Crossover and it's awesome for both windfoiling and wingfoiling.

I do not see the Starboard foil x wing for any of the activities. On all freeride foils I need my backfoot over the mast for a nice balance. There is no option for that and due to the tuttle-box, no adjusting of the foil position for windfoiling. If they deliver the board with only a mast-insert, there is no tuning option to make it work for your needs.

For winging, I want a board that ai can pump on the foil. The far forward position of the US-Box does not help, as you pusch half of the board into the water. And for easy switching, I would not want to change foot-strap position every other day. Knowing that the plugs do not get better with constant screwing/unscrewing... And I want a light board for winging to keep it easy on the knees and ankles, that means carbon construction and a price tag, where you get one board for the price of two.

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DB2 said..
And for easy switching, I would not want to change foot-strap position every other day.

Do any wingers switch between wind and wing foiling on a regular basis, using the same board?

At our local spots, winging seems to become more popular, with wing boards often selling the same day they come into the store. Of the few windsurfers/foilers that started winging, those who've gotten good at winging don't windfoil anymore. They prefer the wing. Many others (including kiters) have bought wing-specific boards that don't have mast plugs (and would be too small for windfoiling, anyway).

I've bought a couple of boards that are suitable for wing and wind. I can't really say I'm happy with either (although my wife was quite happy with the smaller board to learn winging). For windfoiling, neither is great, IMO. The small one (JP) has a mast insert instead of a track, which is a big minus. The larger one has a volume distribution I don't care for. Both have step tails which means the foil mast can't be moved very far back in the board. Quite possible we'll replace both boards, one for a small wing board and the other for a windfoil-specific board. So far, the few wing sessions I've done have not convinced me that it's something I want to do, although I may give it a few more tries.

Hi boardsurfer,

I have to say, a year ago I was really into the 1 does all boards. Right now, I am happy, that I did not go that way. The recommendations are too far apart for my liking. My windfoil-board has 130l @205x77cm. That is stable and gives me enough floatation for easy up hauling in whatever conditions I have been windfoiling. For wingfoiling I bought a Fanatic Sky SUP which has similar numbers. At first I was happy with it, but after the fifth session I already wanted a smaller board, with less weight, less swing-weight, proper Footstrap placement (for my liking that means two in the front one in the back). Here in Europe I can get a wing-board for around ?800,- to ?1000,- that is no compromise. And my last-years windfoil-board (Exocet Freefoil) is officially sold for ?1300,-. That way, I spent the same for two boards as I would for the Starboard X Wing carbon if I wanted it light for winging...

If you can test-ride a wing-specific board, that might change your vision. It is so much fun if you are able to pump onto the foil in almost no wind. And the wind-range is so huge, it is unbelievable. I just need more time on the water with all these nice toys.

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dejavu said..

This guy is pretty good, but wizards gybe so well.

Moving the front hand down to the mast makes water starting a bit easier, at least for me, but if you make all your gybes waterstarting is a non issue.

The comments are getting much smarter. By the end you are financially better getting 2 specific boards and will be much happier. No, deep tuttle boxes are not dead. Maybe for you light weights that don't foil with a 10m2 sail. I would blow the tracks out with a 10m2, 110kg and 105cm mast. The adjustable track is great for smaller boards and sails in heavier wind for me. I don't believe that you will be happy with the one board does it all. I wouldn't want to change out the foots straps either. Plus I can only imagine what the new Starboard will cost. Get a good windfoil specific board that has the right volume, practice wingfoiling on it and when you get good enough, get a small wingfoil specific board. You will get a wingfoil board that is likely 40 liters smaller than the windfoil board. And you will be happy.

This looks more interesting to me as a wingfoil option.

www.nbwindsurfing.com/shop/Foiling/Wing-Foiling/Wing-Foil-Boards/p/Starboard-Wingboard-Lite-Tech-2021-x51575595.htm

Then get a SS Wizard on sale.

Question?
Why wind AND wingfoil?
Same windspeeds.