Pozo: Foils vs Fins

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NS320 > 9 months ago, 4 Jul 2023

bel29

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18 Jul 2023 2:43am

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duzzi said..
Obsolete is a loaded word, but the verdict is in: fin are only competitive when the wind is gusting above 30 knots. Conditions you pretty much can only find at Pozo in a big day. Sub 30 knots fins simply never win.

again, too categorical I see

RoyalontheFoil

161 posts

25 Jul 2023 12:27pm

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Lezardo said..

NS320 said..

duzzi said..

racerX said..
They will both go down together....

The wingers already get the first mention in the fuetre world cup. Their tour is already much bigger, hopefully the pwa and the riders don't have their heads in the sand.

I Wonder what the prize money is for the GWA slalom winner...

rene-egli.com/windsurfing/events/world-cup-2023

There were 422 entrants in the European Youth IQ Foil this year. And 203 entrants at the European IQ Foil (114 men and 89 Women.) Registration for the Worlds is already north of 200. One board - One sail.

For the PWA there were 61 entrants at the Lake Garda (50 men and 11 women), and 37 (28 men and 9 women) at Gran Canaria. A deluge of equipment to carry along: three boards - six sails.

There is surely more than one reason why PWA is sinking, but the format is clearly not helping.

IQ Foil is also obsolete technology, which is inevitable in one design yacht racing. I realize that at the youth and Olympic levels one design works reasonably well. However, given the huge profile of the Olympics it is unfortunate that it cannot be a proving ground for technology development. It is the PWA that is at the leading edge of technology but the field is too small and the money too little to have the kind of impact that could happen on the Olympic side.

Does anybody know or have info about the IQ class evolution? Do we have to wait for 3 or 4 Olympic games for any evolution in the equipment .. even for minor improvement? The RS:X class has managed to stay for 15 years even if it was totally obsolete.

They updated gear, Fins and sails (sails slightly different material at the foot more like the technos now but that isnt much performance,) They changed the fins hugely tho?

Guru4

42 posts

27 Jul 2023 9:18pm

Fin vs foil who will win in fuertaventura?

Do we need a solid 40knots to see the fin win?

Subsonic

3384 posts

27 Jul 2023 10:06pm

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Guru4 said..
Fin vs foil who will win in fuertaventura?

Do we need a solid 40knots to see the fin win?

Dunno, but there's definitely some killer crashes happening for the foils. One wrong move..

Guru4

42 posts

28 Jul 2023 12:02am

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I don't agree with the argument for separating the 2 disciplines. IMO it's a bit early to justify having their own classes. Perhaps after a couple of seasons would be a good time to separate the 2. Having said that I'm not sure as many people would watch the fin only races once the fastest riders have moved to foils. We are already seeing the young foilers come up and be very competitive. The youngster will have a strong influence on the direction the pwa goes.
Ps. I don't hate fin sailing.I think wave sailing will always be the pinnacle of windsurfing and it will be on a fin.

thedoor

2487 posts

29 Jul 2023 12:26am

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Guru4 said..

yeah it would suck to split the fleet and sarah Q is making a good case to keep fins and foils together

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