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MagicRide > 9 months ago, 12 Apr 2020

Windbot

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18 Apr 2020 3:54am

Nice video Magicride! You are doing great. You have inspired me to step up my game with video resolution. Any reason you aren't running front straps? Having them might help you get your front door back a bit, this could aid with liftoff. When I was starting out I heard the analogy of using the rig like a fighter jet's control stick to to control pitch. Lean it back to help takeoff ND forwards to level off and aid with descents.

LeeD

3939 posts

18 Apr 2020 3:58am

Maybe, better to think.. "step down with rear foot while keeping body somewhat forward" to control attitude when board starts to fly.
Better not to lean torso.

oscardog

216 posts

18 Apr 2020 8:11am

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CoreAS said..
Hi Magic

As WOH and Paducah have pointed out, there are a few tweaks to try out, but overall some nice flights there :)

I have a local guy here that I have been coaching and I think I know what's happening!

1. You are choking the foil lift by sitting in your harness (local guy does the exact same). I didn't hardly hook in and use my
harness for the first 3-4 months of learning, stay out of the harness lines (that will lighten the rig pressure you are putting on the board
and thus the foil front wing).

2. Get back to basics with learning to rig pump, it should be fairly easy as we are using smaller rigs than windsurfing.

3. I would put the front straps on (leave the rear straps off for now) you can curl your toes up under the front strap for lift.

4. You are using a "windsurfing stance" with your back foot all the way back like that, again by not hooking into the harness lines be nimble on your feet, you should be light on those tootsies.

Go to 15 seconds in on this video, this is one way to pump (out of the harness) arms a little extended , granted I have all 4 straps on, but my feet are in the right place, as I pump, get lift, get settled, get speed going and then hook in. As you get more experienced you can slide the front foot in the straps from a dead stand still and this will put pressure down on the front wing, but that's for another day.

Magicride,

Support Coreas on using front straps. I should have put them on earlier in my foiling progression.
This is one of my learning "proud" videos, see how when board picks up speed, it's natural for front foot to seek the strap. Did not worry about backstrap.

Have since moved the backstraps to the chicken straps position and use them much more as wind picks up.

WhiteofHeart

798 posts

18 Apr 2020 4:18pm

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VCRWoody said..
At the end of this short video for FINNING ; the advice is to push with hand not pull.
I assume that's true for FOILING???
Is anyone using a seat harness for foiling???

Pushing with the front hand = pulling with the backhand, for foiling I personally go 50/50 (for most of the time), which mostly means I have a little fronthand power in the lulls, but thats ok cause I often hook out to pump through them. In the really big gusts I have a little backhand power, but thats how sails work..

Generally what you should remember is that power on the hands directly translate to power through the legs, If you have to pull the backhand (or push the fronthand) you'll rise out of the water in gusts, pulling the fronthand means you keep smashing the nose down in gusts, personally even less preferred.

50/50 power is for what I've felt the fastest, although I ride my front hand next to the harnesslines and the backhand further back on the boom, especially in gusts.

WhiteofHeart

798 posts

18 Apr 2020 4:29pm

Depending on what sailsizes you ride waterstarting can be tough, however, you need a lot less wind to waterstart with a foil due to the extra resistance the board has in the water. With the foil I often ride 4.9 in 9.5 slalom weather and 3.8 in 7.8-8.6 weather, am.always able to waterstart and have a number of foilboards which are too small for my weight to uphaul. Yesterday I rode a 90L, which with the weight of the board, my sail and my suit etc. left me with -15kg of float, other foilers were sailing with 7.3-8.6, I was on the water with 4.9 and waterstarting was fine. You can generally put your backfoot a little further back than you're used to, and your board will turn into the wind less quickly than with a fin, so generally I'd say waterstarting a foilboard is a little easier.

I personally ride a Manera kite waist harness and pull it thight! (Like really as thight as it goes). The less play, the more direct the power gets transferred.

segler

1658 posts

18 Apr 2020 8:50pm

During the learning process, if you can waterstart a sail, it is probably too big to foil on. I hear this all the time from instructors in the Gorge.

Start out by uphauling. When you get the feel of things, and can use a bigger sail, then you can waterstart.

After 250 sessions over 3 years of windfoiling, I like to be well powered, so I typically use a bigger sail than when I was learning. However, I still uphaul 100%. It's easier.

MagicRide

688 posts

19 Apr 2020 1:08am

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segler said..
During the learning process, if you can waterstart a sail, it is probably too big to foil on. I hear this all the time from instructors in the Gorge.

Start out by uphauling. When you get the feel of things, and can use a bigger sail, then you can waterstart.

After 250 sessions over 3 years of windfoiling, I like to be well powered, so I typically use a bigger sail than when I was learning. However, I still uphaul 100%. It's easier.

That's right, I have to keep remembering that.

Grantmac

2339 posts

19 Apr 2020 3:05am

I find with sails <6m that rigging to just waterstart is ideal. I probably waterstart 75-90% of the time, it's far easier than uphauling even small sails. The opposite is a bit true with big boards and large cammed sails, but then again it's rare to drop the sail in those conditions.

LeeD

3939 posts

19 Apr 2020 4:23am

Are you still riding the 110 Skate for foiling?

Grantmac

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19 Apr 2020 12:03pm

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LeeD said..
Are you still riding the 110 Skate for foiling?

Haven't started. Been deployed due to pandemic and waiting until I get back to buy a NP Glide.
Before I left I was running a Kombat 122 and I76 set-up.

LeeD

3939 posts

19 Apr 2020 12:28pm

Thx, stay safe and healthy!

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