jbshack said..

Greenroom said..
Blah blah blah.
What a load of wank stain rubbish. The arrogant one sided dribble coming from "your" mouth just reeks of shark ****.
Go back to the valley kook.
There are way too many sharks stalking our beaches.
Answer... FISH THEM OUT.
Science studies, tagging programs, drum lines, shark shields are all bandaids just to avoid the only solution.
The poor minority are going to get upset but boo hoo.
Truth hurts.
End of discussion.
CULL!

In reality, id suggest your actually in the poor minority, so does the same BOO HOO apply to you also..

I guess after today you'll see just who the minority actually is..Remember their was around 6500 at the last anti drum line rally..

He is just trolling you mate, not worth the effort imo.

jayet said..

jayet said..

jbshack said..

jayet said..

jbshack said..

BTB said..
So you haven't been to the offices I speak of then.
You have assumed.
Caught out again just like that post last night.

Hey JB, would there be any circumstances that it would be ok to kill a shark?

IF the science supported it, off coarse i would have no issue..

Ive said it all to often, im not a shark lover. But ill take my advice from the experts, not people who educate themselves from the media and news papers..What i have pushed from day one is still the same, i just want any money spent on the issue to be spent wisely. So many on here supported the millions spent on the last cull. Now many are supporting again million again to be spent on another drum line proposal..Nothing seems to change sadly.

The big issue is the shark problem has been a political football from day one and the media love to over dramatise the issue because it sells papers (Clicks and likes). Most people quote info that they have heard, but never bothered to investigate its validity.

All too often, people post the word FACT when in all honestly it couldn't be further from the truth..

Cheers JB. Good to see you'd support the science. Given that, what in your opinion is the driver behind the increase in attacks and what would you recommend to mitigate the risk of further attacks?

So ... Greenie is obviously in support of a cull. How 'bout you JB, what do you recommend we do to mitigate the risk of further attacks?

Well a good start would be not to enter the water when their is a large shark at your beach..IF that simple rule was implemented, both the last two attacks wouldn't have occurred and the Margy pro would have been held in ****ty onshore stormy waves..( the weather predicted and IMHO the real reason they called the event)

I think the whale issue should be switched from being a local issue to a state issue. The amount of dead whales down south recently has been stupid.

I think products/deterrents should be provided with some extra financial help. Even some reduction in stupid fees to simply be able to test products would be a game changer. The restrictions around how products can be scientifically tested is just plain stupid.

Better warning systems and alerts, you'd remember the day when Dorreen was attacked. An hour and half before the rangers turned up to clear the water. Even though we had all got out. Even after the rangers turned up, they had no closure signs.

Again stupid points like better beach locations. You were their again a few weeks back when it took me over 8 min trying to give the beach location to the ambulance, even though i gave them the street name..If that had of been a lost limb instead of a spinal, 8 min could make a big difference..

I think localised beach fishing and burly for large sharks should be banned. I understand that the ocean is a shared resource but commonsense needs to be considered.

But mostly id like to see the issue not be used as such a political football. Money used wisely were it will actually help. The libs have invested what $30 plus million and what have we got? A heap of dead Tiger sharks..

bjshack said..
Well a good start would be not to enter the water when their is a large shark at your beach ...

If that was the case there would be no surfing for extended periods in widespread regions. E.g. the constant stream of reports from down south for many many weeks now in the prime surfing season of the year.

bjshack said..
Again stupid points like better beach locations. You were their again a few weeks back when it took me over 8 min trying to give the beach location to the ambulance, even though i gave them the street name..If that had of been a lost limb instead of a spinal, 8 min could make a big difference..

You gave them the wrong street name. That's not their fault.

jbshack said..

Legion said..

bjshack said..
Well a good start would be not to enter the water when their is a large shark at your beach ...

If that was the case there would be no surfing for extended periods in widespread regions. E.g. the constant stream of reports from down south for many many weeks now in the prime surfing season of the year.

bjshack said..
Again stupid points like better beach locations. You were their again a few weeks back when it took me over 8 min trying to give the beach location to the ambulance, even though i gave them the street name..If that had of been a lost limb instead of a spinal, 8 min could make a big difference..

You gave them the wrong street name. That's not their fault.

Both the previous attacks, knew the shark was directly at the beach they surfed. The first guy had been chased in less than a hour before hand. Paddling back out, he was bitten.

Secondly i gave them the correct street name, but i called it Alexandria blvd, when its actually Alexandria View.. Turns out that with emergency services they don't have a search criteria as they run a different computer system. I don't accept that as reasonable IMHO. To many occasions emergency services have gone to the wrong spot, Ben's attack was a classic and hence by his brother Rick pushed for the B.E.N beach numbering system. The state government has provided funds, but very few councils have taken up that funding and set it up..

Its set up at Brighton, not sure of the distance between numbers tho.

Legion said..

jbshack said..
Both the previous attacks, knew the shark was directly at the beach they surfed. The first guy had been chased in less than a hour before hand. Paddling back out, he was bitten.

As I'm sure you are aware, there have been sharks directly at a lot of major surf breaks down south every single day lately.
Giving up surfing and becoming fat is the only safe option down there.

Completely aware, surfers paddling out directly were a large shark is and its happening daily. So that tells me one thing, their should be hundreds more attacks, if sharks wanted to eat humans and secondly, if surfers don't think the risk is high enough to stay on shore or surf somewhere else, well why should anyone else be concerned when they clearly are not.

Do Old Mates from your generation (and mine too I suspect) have kids ?

Ctngoodvibes said..

IFocus said..

Legion said..

jbshack said..
Both the previous attacks, knew the shark was directly at the beach they surfed. The first guy had been chased in less than a hour before hand. Paddling back out, he was bitten.

As I'm sure you are aware, there have been sharks directly at a lot of major surf breaks down south every single day lately.
Giving up surfing and becoming fat is the only safe option down there.

Talking to my mates who are pretty happy both going wave for wave at south point the other day with and full carepark and those two being the only ones out............horses for courses old blokes rule

Clearly there is a generation that have grown up thinking the Indian ocean is a swimming pool.

Wouldn't risk life and limb for that fat burger of a wave

Agree. So why doesn't everyone else go somewhere else and stay there.

IFocus said..

Legion said..

jbshack said..
Both the previous attacks, knew the shark was directly at the beach they surfed. The first guy had been chased in less than a hour before hand. Paddling back out, he was bitten.

As I'm sure you are aware, there have been sharks directly at a lot of major surf breaks down south every single day lately.
Giving up surfing and becoming fat is the only safe option down there.

Talking to my mates who are pretty happy both going wave for wave at south point the other day with and full carepark and those two being the only ones out............horses for courses old blokes rule

Clearly there is a generation that have grown up thinking the Indian ocean is a swimming pool.

lol just wait till you start copping $200 fines for doing that

IFocus said..

trevor1 said..
Do Old Mates from your generation (and mine too I suspect) have kids ?

Yeah our kids are precious what do you do?

My own kids are caught up in life ATM so not surfing which makes its all easey for me, for friends kids locally (a couple are up there in the state comps) I often sit outside them or keep an eye on them (creepy old man anyone) I do worry.

For our sons as they progress through the risk taking stage of their lives I think alcohol, drugs, and cars are a far bigger risk (all the things I enjoyed and somehow survived thank fu(k my kids weren't like me) and of course suicide which I have witnessed families go through the what ifs.

Having said that I think kids have their act together far more than my day.

I know people bristle whenever road stats are raised (WA drivers are simply award winning fu(king morons) with 64 fatalities this year already not a whimper from anyone (this is the real risk to our kids) and yet two shark attacks both survive both avoidable and there are protests on the steps of parliament house.

If greenroom wants to run a cull on WA drivers I would absolutely vote for him

Legion said..
New subsidised alternative:

thewest.com.au/news/sharks/wa-government-extends-rebate-scheme-to-include-shark-shield-device-for-surfers-ng-b88843348z

Has anyone got a link to the testing report for this............good to see some progress albeit slow.

lol

Anyone know if I can get a pet Orca

Here's the flinders study that has McClowan and Kelly so excited -

https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fishing/sharks/shark-management/annual-competitive-grants-program/successful-sms-annual-competitive-grants

Just click on the first study for pdf version but if you can't be arsed here's the summary.

Only shark shield showed any significant response. The rest did nothing measurable.

That response was that there were more passes before they took the bait ( an average of 4.5 times before biting the board vs 2.5 times for the rest and the control).

60% of the time the shark shield stopped the bait being bitten for long enough to class it as no bite in the 15 minute trial. This is the bit I love the best eh. If there's no bite for 15 mins after the shark appears that's a success as defined in this study. Who surf's for 15 mins? Eventually per other studies the shark bites so roll this out for an hour your down to pretty much no deterrence from the best device tested.

Average distance of effect of the field was 1.5m. Put that distance against a shark charging at live prey rather than a static bait.

There was significant variation between individual sharks reactions ie some were deterred while others not at all vs control.

So hard to see how it's a success but the politics are such labor has latched onto this like a life ring so they can keep pretending they are actually doing something.

Farkin hate the politics of this mess.

Thank you for posting that bara.
15 minutes is best case maybe half the time when a shark isn't that hungry, what I'd like to know is whether both tests were carried out in series or parallel.
Ie by the time the shark shield is in the water how many times has the same shark/sharks already struck the decoy for no reward.

Anyway I'll just keep doing my cartoons and I just cannot believe how reckless the government is being by releasing these and flat out backing them.
if I was getting stalked by a shark ( actually quite a few times already ) the one thing I'd want is a shark strength taser not a little zap zap.

Anyway upcoming cartoons,
1)
shark strength taser
2)
a seal jig, similar to jigging for fish but with a crane and winch and big soft plastic seals,
3) maybe a 20 metre long fake orca submarine with harpoons, big underwater speakers on it playing sounds of whales dying.

There are a few others I'm working on which are classified at this stage

So 15 minutes means it's effective up to half the paddle out (for a static non moving bait with no heart rate or splashing) for most places down south............
Good to know your almost in the lineup by the time it's ineffective if a shark has been sniffing around.