At the end of the day, nothing beats removing problem sharks to reduce frequency of unwanted incidents & as people have pointed out. The controverisal WA drumline cull, although carried out at the wrong time of year, using the incorrect fishing tackle for GW & ending prematurely did have a positive effect on the frequency of negative human/shark interation. The last 5 weeks have seen a great deal of near misses, a few more bumps happened than documented in WA & I guess coz no one lost a leg & no one died its not a big deal.

We've had these shark threads so often, I'm tired of them. I grew up in a time when fear of shark attack was way off the beaten track and rare. Times have changed greatly. Its ridiculous to argue removing great white shark protection effects ecology when the protection itself effects ecology. Great white shark behaviour has changed over the last couple of decades because our behaviour, our response to these creatures has changed. In 1998 GW were protected & at about the same time the great Australian gun buy back sceme was in effect after Martin Bryant shot people in Tassie. Gun control laws changed, making it far more difficult for commercial fishermen to carry guns on their boats. In the past you did not have a shark circling your boat & you certainly did not have it chewing up your prop. You shot the barstard & sharks knew to stay away. They learnt as previously stated (learnt behaviours) to swim away in the opposite direction. They are now attracted as evidenced by countless fishermen. Want some fancy wanky Uni research reports, nope sorry not backing the required narative these days to meet the required research finding...yet, here we are...all seeing a greater number with our own eyes & a greater number of people dieing from GW sharks. A massive increase compared to the 80's & 90's, before human interaction messed with ecology by protecting GW's.

We have also stopped fishing whales & seals. Somehow these creatures have been put on a revered pedestal of untouchable greatness based upon being propped up as being in danger & now when the facts are plain to see we are still not responding responsively. What makes these animals any different to any others than the perceived viable worldwide number.

In the recent past a great deal of facts/research was collated from our fishermen. People who had a far greater understanding of our oceans than some greeny university student who's work was based on rewording the words of another just as clueless researcher. The same people (fishermen)s opinions on great white shark numbers are now being ignored when it was their input in the past which helped protect the species....why? I believe for the simple reason requiring more "research" provides these people with a job they enjoy & probably the almighty politically correct social justice warrior tag which is currently destroying the strength of Western society. Alarms have rung, its far past the time to wake up. But it is not too late.

MickPC said..


We've had these shark threads so often, I'm tired of them.

Stop posting in them then...................

MDSXR6T said..

jbshack said..

Im simply trying to fill in a few blanks as some may know, Dave is super busy. But one think that is so clear, the same Nay sayers really have zero clue about how these products work.

I've come to the conclusion that all these shark deterents are a bit like religion. Supporters continue to spout studies/truths/experiences but still fail to prove 1 single, simple thing

Thing is unlike religion, these devices don't claim to be a savior

MickPC said..
At the end of the day, nothing beats removing problem sharks to reduce frequency of unwanted incidents & as people have pointed out. The controverisal WA drumline cull, although carried out at the wrong time of year, using the incorrect fishing tackle for GW & ending prematurely did have a positive effect on the frequency of negative human/shark interation. The last 5 weeks have seen a great deal of near misses, a few more bumps happened than documented in WA & I guess coz no one lost a leg & no one died its not a big deal.

We've had these shark threads so often, I'm tired of them. I grew up in a time when fear of shark attack was way off the beaten track and rare. Times have changed greatly. Its ridiculous to argue removing great white shark protection effects ecology when the protection itself effects ecology. Great white shark behaviour has changed over the last couple of decades because our behaviour, our response to these creatures has changed. In 1998 GW were protected & at about the same time the great Australian gun buy back sceme was in effect after Martin Bryant shot people in Tassie. Gun control laws changed, making it far more difficult for commercial fishermen to carry guns on their boats. In the past you did not have a shark circling your boat & you certainly did not have it chewing up your prop. You shot the barstard & sharks knew to stay away. They learnt as previously stated (learnt behaviours) to swim away in the opposite direction. They are now attracted as evidenced by countless fishermen. Want some fancy wanky Uni research reports, nope sorry not backing the required narative these days to meet the required research finding...yet, here we are...all seeing a greater number with our own eyes & a greater number of people dieing from GW sharks. A massive increase compared to the 80's & 90's, before human interaction messed with ecology by protecting GW's.

We have also stopped fishing whales & seals. Somehow these creatures have been put on a revered pedestal of untouchable greatness based upon being propped up as being in danger & now when the facts are plain to see we are still not responding responsively. What makes these animals any different to any others than the perceived viable worldwide number.

In the recent past a great deal of facts/research was collated from our fishermen. People who had a far greater understanding of our oceans than some greeny university student who's work was based on rewording the words of another just as clueless researcher. The same people (fishermen)s opinions on great white shark numbers are now being ignored when it was their input in the past which helped protect the species....why? I believe for the simple reason requiring more "research" provides these people with a job they enjoy & probably the almighty politically correct social justice warrior tag which is currently destroying the strength of Western society. Alarms have rung, its far past the time to wake up. But it is not too late.

Unfortunately the government is too damn scared it will cost them votes ironically from people who never use the ocean
Its plainly obvious for normal people to see what needs to be done but with too many hoops to jump through expect more of the same

Jay Davies

Before paddling out for a four-hour session, Jay let us into his headspace on the issue of sharks: "They've always been here. If you're scared of sharks, don't go surfing. And if you start thinking of sharks, go the **** in."

stabmag.com/stabcinema/no-contest-margaret-river-cancellations-shark-hysteria-pathetic-aussie-impersonations-and-jay-davies-tube-fests/

jbshack said..
Theirs lots of supporting info out their, you just refuse to look for it or except it.

Not everything in life can be taught through social media

Let's cut the bull****.

Shark Shield site has a bunch of big claims, some testimonials, test results featuring decoys, baits and videos of random sharks (misleading at best given only 1 species is really an issue) and 1 grainy 20sec of a video of a bloke near a solid white shark (ballsy though). Also trying to raise $5M. If the technology works its a sure fire way to make easy money so it shouldn't be that hard to come up with the money?

The rpela site has no videos, some pretty photos etc and also results based claims but no real evidence. Remember a photo speaks a thousand words and a video, 10 thousand.

Lets not even go into Sharkbanz, Anti Shark-100 and SharkShocker as i'm sure we can all agree the anti shark spray wont work? A white shark may indeed fear a 7m, 5000kg orca but i dont think a stripey surfboard or wetty causes them any real concern?

The last thing i want to do is discredit anyones work, without it we'll never move forward but let's not keep making claims with misleading testing.

Every 2nd person doing anything remotely interesting can upload a half decent video in this day and age so i'm not sure why shark detterent testers cant? GoPros on gumtree are cheap and you can live bait a 15kg sambo easily so not sure why that is so hard?

As for social media, well i don't even have facebook (im 33..) but given a million++ people have seen a seabreezer get nailed by a dolphin in just a few days i'm very sure the day a video is released of one of these devices stopping a 5m angry white shark attacking a human or live bait, it will be seen by millions of water users world wide. Show a few repeated tests and they would sell thousands in the first month alone.

But hay, if you know where this footage is, please let me know as i'm yet to find it.

MDSXR6T said..

jbshack said..
Theirs lots of supporting info out their, you just refuse to look for it or except it.

Not everything in life can be taught through social media

Let's cut the bull****.

Shark Shield site has a bunch of big claims, some testimonials, test results featuring decoys, baits and videos of random sharks (misleading at best given only 1 species is really an issue) and 1 grainy 20sec of a video of a bloke near a solid white shark (ballsy though). Also trying to raise $5M. If the technology works its a sure fire way to make easy money so it shouldn't be that hard to come up with the money?

The rpela site has no videos, some pretty photos etc and also results based claims but no real evidence. Remember a photo speaks a thousand words and a video, 10 thousand.

Lets not even go into Sharkbanz, Anti Shark-100 and SharkShocker as i'm sure we can all agree the anti shark spray wont work? A white shark may indeed fear a 7m, 5000kg orca but i dont think a stripey surfboard or wetty causes them any real concern?

The last thing i want to do is discredit anyones work, without it we'll never move forward but let's not keep making claims with misleading testing.

Every 2nd person doing anything remotely interesting can upload a half decent video in this day and age so i'm not sure why shark detterent testers cant? GoPros on gumtree are cheap and you can live bait a 15kg sambo easily so not sure why that is so hard?

As for social media, well i don't even have facebook (im 33..) but given a million++ people have seen a seabreezer get nailed by a dolphin in just a few days i'm very sure the day a video is released of one of these devices stopping a 5m angry white shark attacking a human or live bait, it will be seen by millions of water users world wide. Show a few repeated tests and they would sell thousands in the first month alone.

But hay, if you know where this footage is, please let me know as i'm yet to find it.

Sorry again showing the level of knowledge some have..

Did you know that in WA you have to pay for a permit, to be able to film a great white in WA for scientific testing.

Do some genuine research and find out whats involved. Much of what your wanting, will never be provided..

MDSXR6T said..

jbshack said..
Theirs lots of supporting info out their, you just refuse to look for it or except it.

Not everything in life can be taught through social media

Let's cut the bull****.

Shark Shield site has a bunch of big claims, some testimonials, test results featuring decoys, baits and videos of random sharks (misleading at best given only 1 species is really an issue) and 1 grainy 20sec of a video of a bloke near a solid white shark (ballsy though). Also trying to raise $5M. If the technology works its a sure fire way to make easy money so it shouldn't be that hard to come up with the money?

The rpela site has no videos, some pretty photos etc and also results based claims but no real evidence. Remember a photo speaks a thousand words and a video, 10 thousand.

Lets not even go into Sharkbanz, Anti Shark-100 and SharkShocker as i'm sure we can all agree the anti shark spray wont work? A white shark may indeed fear a 7m, 5000kg orca but i dont think a stripey surfboard or wetty causes them any real concern?

The last thing i want to do is discredit anyones work, without it we'll never move forward but let's not keep making claims with misleading testing.

Every 2nd person doing anything remotely interesting can upload a half decent video in this day and age so i'm not sure why shark detterent testers cant? GoPros on gumtree are cheap and you can live bait a 15kg sambo easily so not sure why that is so hard?

As for social media, well i don't even have facebook (im 33..) but given a million++ people have seen a seabreezer get nailed by a dolphin in just a few days i'm very sure the day a video is released of one of these devices stopping a 5m angry white shark attacking a human or live bait, it will be seen by millions of water users world wide. Show a few repeated tests and they would sell thousands in the first month alone.

But hay, if you know where this footage is, please let me know as i'm yet to find it.

But with no real knowledge that's exactly what you are doing....

Greetings all,
I am pro fishing. Catch and kill, anyway that doesn't seem very likely in the near future.
The closest we will get is these smart drum lines if at all.
Anyway there are buses organised from Margie's grace town and I think yallingup to get up to Perth and have a good old fashioned protest.


This is as good as we may get, I'm going along to have a listen.
Apparently one of the lads has half a dozen gummy sharks he will be cooking up on a barbie.
Get involved

LateStarter said..

jayet said..

There's also more people surfing in more locations more often (bloody FIFO!).

That's actually not true, according to Peter Sprivulus' published report: Western Australia coastal shark bites: A risk assessment

"Despite significant total population growth in Western Australia, water sport participation data for Western Australia in the 10 years 2001-2010 showed a non-significant decreasing trend from 4,171,000 to 3,394,000 surf sport or diving episodes per year"

I would be interested to know where he got his numbers from.

This is the report

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941575/

high correlation between increase in shark attacks and whale population increase (0.9) . almost no correlation between west australian ocean based activity or state population growth (0.2)

jbshack said..

DARTH said..
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2018/02/15/drumlines-catching-sharks-and-protecting-surfers

^^ I hadn't seen this before re smart drumlines. Looks like a good idea but the upkeep would be expensive.

Its been quoted at around $10 grand a day for 6 drum lines. To catch and tag sharks.. Drag them 500m out to sea and release..

That is very expensive. Just go for standard drum lines and let the shark die.

jbshack said..

MDSXR6T said..

jbshack said..

Im simply trying to fill in a few blanks as some may know, Dave is super busy. But one think that is so clear, the same Nay sayers really have zero clue about how these products work.

I've come to the conclusion that all these shark deterents are a bit like religion. Supporters continue to spout studies/truths/experiences but still fail to prove 1 single, simple thing

Actually id say people who are pro cull, are like anti vaxers. Theirs lots of supporting info out their, you just refuse to look for it or except it.

Not everything in life can be taught through social media

You going fishing JB
Careful you might catch a GWS
Might have to turn your shark shield to the peanut setting.

I have got to say its good to see that JB is annoying a whole new generation of surfers????
I used to care when i read BS now i do not

Bara said..

jbshack said..

oz surf said..

jbshack said..

DARTH said..
http://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2018/02/15/drumlines-catching-sharks-and-protecting-surfers

^^ I hadn't seen this before re smart drumlines. Looks like a good idea but the upkeep would be expensive.

Its been quoted at around $10 grand a day for 6 drum lines. To catch and tag sharks.. Drag them 500m out to sea and release..

That is very expensive. Just go for standard drum lines and let the shark die.

Remember standard drum lines cost around $5000 a day just for the South west.

Those were not removed morning and night, they were also not monitored constantly with a boat large enough. It will involve at least two boats. Actually the commercial fishermen involved in the last drum line have suggested it will be more around $30000 a day.

But the original number was the government estimate.

Yeah that's correct cos the fisherman involved wanted danger money and compo for the harassment he would receive from the Looney shark cult activists like last time.

I'm loving the fact they bitch sbout the cost of action , any action, while contributing to it themselves.

It's one of their fall back mantras " why should we pay for your hobby"

Answer - cos I and other tax payers pay for yours.

You can be anti shark attack without being pro-cull. Some of the arguments that the greenies put forward are absolutely ridiculous.

They moan about the cost of tagging/drum lines but ignore the taxpayer dollars being hemorrhaged on helicopter patrols, jetskis for clubbies, aqua barriers and bull**** studies like bubble curtains.

The 'pay for your hobby' claim is laughable too. Who do you think pays for footy/cricket grounds, swimming pools, skate parks and public open space.