www.indiegogo.com/projects/surfing-the-ghost

camel wants his board

Yep, the main holdup is how long it takes me to make a board... can't believe how fast the production guys are compared to me.

i like a good cheese cutter.

I would go the wooden ghost board but heavily committed these days sadly. Good luck

Roy , this is a serious question . how can you justify asking $27000 for a f/glass surfboard ?


and $1000000 for a timber surfboard ? Is it a massive typo too many zeros ?


cost breakdown ? labour, material , profit margin ?

Big money Roy?

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SandS said..

Roy , this is a serious question . how can you justify asking $27000 for a f/glass surfboard ?


and $1000000 for a timber surfboard ? Is it a massive typo too many zeros ?


cost breakdown ? labour, material , profit margin ?

I'm resisting communism.

Funny how so many forumites are only interested in the money.

It's ok to ignore and go back to playing fantasysurfer or slobbering over the next generic mal.

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RoyStuart said..

SandS said..

Roy , this is a serious question . how can you justify asking $27000 for a f/glass surfboard ?


and $1000000 for a timber surfboard ? Is it a massive typo too many zeros ?


cost breakdown ? labour, material , profit margin ?

I'm resisting communism.

Funny how so many forumites are only interested in the money.

It's ok to ignore and go back to playing fantasysurfer or slobbering over the next generic mal.

I think its a fair question....I would of thought you could come up with a better response than that

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RoyStuart said..

SandS said..

Roy , this is a serious question . how can you justify asking $27000 for a f/glass surfboard ?


and $1000000 for a timber surfboard ? Is it a massive typo too many zeros ?


cost breakdown ? labour, material , profit margin ?

I'm resisting communism.

Funny how so many forumites are only interested in the money.

It's ok to ignore and go back to playing fantasysurfer or slobbering over the next generic mal.

well of course it is,as I don't think anyone in their wildest dreams could imagine a board costing that much....so yes it would become a focus.

Also I think its a valid question that a lot of people would like answered. You cant just ask for a bucketful of cash and think peeps wont wonder why you are asking for so much.

Resisting communism ,could please explain that one to me please...

I am one of your supporters,but you have left me scratching my head this time.

You have got to $96 so that's great.

The minimum contribution is only $1, so for those who'd like to see this event happen it's not a great expense.

The goal is $40k for the campaign which is not a ridiculous amount if one wants to do the job properly. We have seven riders, assuming that five of them would like to take the designs to the top, (which will require several rounds of board customisation and tuning) that means probably about eight boards per rider, so about 40 boards and not all sent at once so the freight isn't cheap.

In fact $40k isn't enough but we trimmed it as it will get the first stages under way.

You don't seem to realise just how much on average surfers spend supporting the big corporate backed events out there with no complaint... those companies don't print money they get it from you guys... and spend bucket loads of money making sure that you don't see it as a money grab.

It seems that you also don't realise how much is being raised by crowdfunding campaigns which hit the right note. A couple in Byron Bay just raised 12 plus million, and good luck to them as they have a great product. Are they immoral? How can they justify accepting the money when they only asked for $70k?

So far we have a handful of people who want to see it enough to contribute, lots of uncommitted observers who would like to see it, and a few dozen people who want to make sure that it doesn't happen and spend quite a lot of time working to that end.

It's interesting anyway.

Interesting clip Roy, good seeing the explanation and boards...

Good luck with it..

Thanks, I think that most surfer would be interested to see these boards competing at Mavericks and Jaws against conventional designs.... buit not enough to shell out a buck.

With crowdfunding people prefer to contribute to campaigns which have surpassed their goal, that's when the money floods in... but they don't like to contribute to campaigns which have low contributions... it's the herd behaviour thing.

At some point these shapes will be 'discovered' by the industry, whether or not I'll be around to see it remains to be seen.

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chrispy said..

RoyStuart said..

SandS said..

Roy , this is a serious question . how can you justify asking $27000 for a f/glass surfboard ?


and $1000000 for a timber surfboard ? Is it a massive typo too many zeros ?


cost breakdown ? labour, material , profit margin ?

I'm resisting communism.

Funny how so many forumites are only interested in the money.

It's ok to ignore and go back to playing fantasysurfer or slobbering over the next generic mal.

well of course it is,as I don't think anyone in their wildest dreams could imagine a board costing that much....so yes it would become a focus.

Also I think its a valid question that a lot of people would like answered. You cant just ask for a bucketful of cash and think peeps wont wonder why you are asking for so much.

Resisting communism ,could please explain that one to me please...

I am one of your supporters,but you have left me scratching my head this time.

You have got to $96 so that's great.

I'm not going to spoon feed people everything, use your own head a bit.... scratching it does help.

If anyone has a custom 'perk' which they'd like then let me know.

It's up to the crowd, you fund it and it's your project as well.

the surfing world has discovered this shape already Roy!, it happened in the 40s and 50s....you are building those shapes with modern materials....different rocker and rails....assemble the team@ a place that gets a good swell.....they can test a few boards in sequential sessions

Not the whole team will be available@ the same time though

Yeah yeah yeah..another non answer...don't take this the wrong way but why should anyone pay for you to vaildate your design?

If I make a board that goes well I will generally give it way to a bunch of different guys to ride for free to confirm I'm not drinking my own cool aid

If they like the board usually I get an order or two out of it and I give the test riders boards at cost on the understanding they tell people if they like and maybe give them a ride

What you doing and what you have consistently done is charge a rediculous amount for boards that no one other than yourself has ever said are any good

When people have called you out on the fact that your boards don't work you have resorted to personal attacks, conspiracy theories and just ignoring the question

I appreciate your passion and good luck I hope you get some guys to ride your boards in giant waves but for mine this smells like a giant scam if you truly believed in your design you would do what the rest of us do and get the boards in the hands of the best test pilot you can find and hope for the best

Please spoon feed baby Chrispy

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Tux said..
Yeah yeah yeah..another non answer...don't take this the wrong way but why should anyone pay for you to vaildate your design?

People should only do it if they feel like it, and not if they don't

it is thus self tending and no hand wring is required.

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wavemaniac said..
the surfing world has discovered this shape already Roy!, it happened in the 40s and 50s....

No it didn't (Greetings Kayu)

A somewhat similar planshape existed during those times, but not only are many of our planshapes significantly different, everything else is different too... the boards are almost entirely different animals.

Nevertheless they are big pintails, and in some respects continue the evolution of big pintails which was interrupted by the 'Malibu' design.

If you think that the performance of my boards in big waves can be tested by wheeling out a 30's era Blake board or anything from the 40's/50's then you are dreaming.

Plenty of these about in those times I'm sure,so I'm just a copycat... the same could be said of any surfboard currently existing if one decides to ignore differences and find only similarities. Boards which float existed in ancient Hawaii therefore everything we see now was already discovered then... it fails the logic test.




As far as guns go it makes big news when apparently small changes are made to the mainstream boards... what I'm offering is a design genre which has many major differences and which uses a different paradigm.... but nothing to see here move along... just get some old videos of the 50's and it's covered.... yeah right

Here we go again,another Roy pig headed thread

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Macaha said..
Here we go again,another Roy pig headed thread

You don't have to be here.

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RoyStuart said...

Macaha said..
Here we go again,another Roy pig headed thread

You don't have to be here.

If you start a thread and people ask a question try answer it without being rude your just making a dick of yourself

When talking to a free man try not to give him direct orders, as you have just done.

Besides, I have been polite and did answer the question... I'm not people's nursemaid though.

My nickname where I live is Jesus, so this might lighten things up for you at 4:31:

?t=4m31s

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RoyStuart said..

Macaha said..
Here we go again,another Roy pig headed thread

You don't have to be here.

and neither do you with your free pimp feast

I'm quite happy to slobber over my generic surf craft and its a pop out to boot. It gives me hours of pleasure

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RoyStuart said..
When talking to a free man try not to give him direct orders, as you have just done.

Besides, I have been polite and did answer the question... I'm not people's nursemaid though.

My nickname where I live is Jesus, so this might lighten things up for you at 4:31:

Im not sure what the link is but i enjoyed the video

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SandS said..

Roy , this is a serious question . how can you justify asking $27000 for a f/glass surfboard ?


and $1000000 for a timber surfboard ? Is it a massive typo too many zeros ?


cost breakdown ? labour, material , profit margin ?

Still no answer to this pretty straight forward question

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Tux said..

SandS said..

Roy , this is a serious question . how can you justify asking $27000 for a f/glass surfboard ?


and $1000000 for a timber surfboard ? Is it a massive typo too many zeros ?


cost breakdown ? labour, material , profit margin ?

Still no answer to this pretty straight forward question

The justification is that it pleases me to list the boards at such a price... that's a straight answer, not a joke.

No it's not a typo.

The accounting stuff you are asking about : I don't know, that sort of thing I leave to my accountant. I could find out but I have stuff to do which is more interesting.

I'm surprised that no one mentioned the titanium fin.

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jbshack said..

RoyStuart said..
When talking to a free man try not to give him direct orders, as you have just done.

Besides, I have been polite and did answer the question... I'm not people's nursemaid though.

My nickname where I live is Jesus, so this might lighten things up for you at 4:31:

Im not sure what the link is but i enjoyed the video

Tommy's a gem for sure.

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smh said..
I'm quite happy to slobber over my generic surf craft and its a pop out to boot. It gives me hours of pleasure

All good, don't let me take up too much of your valuable droooling time.