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Mark _australia said..Bloody Labor asleep at the wheel

So what do you want them to do?? Liberals are a great alternative.

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Mr Milk said..
If you read the history of the establishment of the state of Israel

I haven't read it myself, but my grandchildren will be learning about the horrors of the holocaust and David Gonski's version of Jewish history at kindergarten as part of their antisemetic curriculum.

If you pop up to the Nowra library there is a copy of this book waiting for you somewhere about 956.9 in the catalogue, up against the back wall.
Palestinians and Israelis : a short history of conflict / Michael Scott-Baumann.

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hilly said..

Mark _australia said..Bloody Labor asleep at the wheel

So what do you want them to do?? Liberals are a great alternative.

Ask yourself what would you want them to do if the group that was attacked wasn't jews.

Imagine it was some LGBT people that were attacked by religious extremists killing 1200 and taking hostages

If the day after people were celebrating on the steps the opera yelling "gas the gays" what would you want the authorities to do. If week after week after week demonstations were held calling for a global war on LGBT people what would you want the government to do.

You would want it stopped wouldn't you, it would not be tolerated, rightly so. Why are you confused about what to do because it jews.

Btw the only thing standing between LGBT people in the middle east and islamic extremists that would seek to eliminate them is Israel. The hypothetical situation I used as an example is not difficult to imagine.

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cammd said..
Imagine it was some LGBT people that were attacked by religious extremists killing 1200 and taking hostages

What a simple question.

I would expect a country to respect international law when responding. If Israel wasn't a pariah state run by a democraticly elected genocidal far right wing war criminal, this rise in antisemitism around the world would likely evaporate.

You are a effing dingbat if you can't understand that!

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philn said..
I am not a fan of religion in general (even though it does help to control the weak minded, but throughout history religion has also caused the weak minded to commit terrible atrocities in the name of their deity) but that does appear to be worse than the other ones. But maybe the Muslims are like the Christians and they just choose which parts of the quaran they are going to ignore and which parts they are willing to destroy a country over (judging by selective application in the USA).

Until you eradicate hateful words in religious or non religious texts (or public marches) there will be certain followers that gather wrong views and act out in hatred. There's quite a few words in the Quran that are easily interpreted to endorse violence.

Unfortunately it's a hard sell to tell the leaders of the different faiths to eradicate the hateful passages and keep the good ones. Not sure why anyone would want to keep words of hate in any religious text.

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cammd said..
Imagine it was some LGBT people that were attacked by religious extremists killing 1200 and taking hostages

What a simple question.

I would expect a country to respect international law when responding. If Israel wasn't a pariah state run by a democraticly elected genocidal far right wing war criminal, this rise in antisemitism around the world would likely evaporate.

You are a effing dingbat if you can't understand that!

I understand what your saying, you think Israel and the Jews brought this on themselves.

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I understand what your saying, you think Israel and the Jews brought this on themselves.

No, you are saying that, which would be an antisematic statement.

That's quite different to what I said.

You don't understand much.

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cammd said..

I understand what your saying, you think Israel and the Jews brought this on themselves.

No, you are saying that, which would be an antisematic statement.

That's quite different to what I said.

You don't understand much.

I understand you said the rise in antisemitism is a result of the Jewish people electing the current Israeli Government, who you believe are genocidal and criminal.

What did I miss.

What a simple question.

I would expect a country to respect international law when responding. If Israel wasn't a pariah state run by a democraticly elected genocidal far right wing war criminal, this rise in antisemitism around the world would likely evaporate.

You are a effing dingbat if you can't understand that!

For such a simple question, as you put it, you seem to be struggling to articulate what you actually mean.

Or

What I think is really happening, is that you are having second thoughts on spelling out what you really believe.

What is it that I have to articulate for you?

I think you are getting a bit mixed up, flustered and unnecessarily triggered again.

Maybe stay off those angry pills for a bit.

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I didn't hear assault weapons, as in semiautomatic, firing and reloading in response to a trigger action.
What I got from the news is that they were using slide action rifles and shotguns. Some of the video looks like a pump action weapon.
I thought they were banned way back in 1996, but gun manufacturing has changed since then. There are lever action weapons that do the same job and are legal and carry 10 rounds.

Could've fooled me. However, I surrendered my two high powered rifles in early 1997 and let my permit expire. I haven't had anytime to do with firearms since that date.

Nb/ The NT had very restrict gun control prior to 1996. Semi autos were a B class weapon, with a magazine restriction of 5 rounds.

Here we go:

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/19/australia-gun-buy-back-bondi-beach-terror-attack-anthony-albanese

"Shooters Union Australia president Graham Park said the buyback was a bad idea, and the focus should be on illegal weapons."

Exactly Graham. Not that it matters me. I have not used a firearm in 30 years, but it ****s me with the brainlessness.

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Here we go:

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/19/australia-gun-buy-back-bondi-beach-terror-attack-anthony-albanese

"Shooters Union Australia president Graham Park said the buyback was a bad idea, and the focus should be on illegal weapons."

Exactly Graham. Not that it matters me. I have not used a firearm in 30 years, but it ****s me with the brainlessness.

"Never let a good disaster go to waste" is the mindset behind this gun buy back.

If the governments (liberal and labor) keep importing people who are not tolerant of others we will, in due course, get more disasters, more chaos, more division that will allow the government to justify further turning of the screw on our rights and freedoms.

Thought I'd post this again for the slow ones.

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Thought I'd post this again for the slow ones.

If you disagree with a post why don't you respond with some debate and thoughtful arguments rather than just seek to insult or if you must insult try at least to make it original and or funny.

It would make this forum much more interesting.

From FB www.facebook.com/share/p/1KjsrpsaXA/


Alright. Gloves off.
Josh Frydenberg and the modern LNP should be forced to sit quietly and read this out loud until the shame finally lands.
After Port Arthur, when 35 Australians were murdered, something extraordinary happened. Politics stopped.
Kim Beazley, as Labor leader, did not posture. He did not hedge. He did not wait for polling. He offered immediate, unconditional bipartisan support to John Howard for gun reform.
No culture war.
No dog whistles.
No "thoughts and prayers" cowardice.
Just adults doing the job.
Howard acted because he could, and he could because the Opposition let him. Beazley understood something that today's conservatives pretend not to grasp: when people are slaughtered, the country comes first or you forfeit your right to govern.
Fast-forward to Bondi.
And what do we get from the LNP, its media outriders, and the Hansonite swamp?
Not unity.
Not restraint.
Not respect for the dead.
We get vicious, self-serving politicking before the blood is dry. We get insinuations, racial baiting, conspiracy-adjacent garbage, and opportunistic fear-mongering designed to juice engagement and protect fragile political brands.
This is not leadership. This is moral rot.
Josh Frydenberg loves to cosplay as a statesman. Loves the photo ops, the gravitas voice, the talk of values. But when the test arrives, his political tribe chooses outrage over responsibility, division over decency, clicks over country.
Port Arthur showed what courage looks like in politics.
Bondi has shown how far the right has fallen.
Kim Beazley stood beside John Howard because Australians mattered more than party.
Today's conservatives stand behind talking points because self-preservation matters more than Australians.
That is the difference.
That is the indictment.
And history will not be kind to the cowards who learned nothing from 1996.
Disgraceful.

And the blaming started, not within days or weeks, but within hours of the attack.

Yep, disgraceful.

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From FB www.facebook.com/share/p/1KjsrpsaXA/


Alright. Gloves off.
Josh Frydenberg and the modern LNP should be forced to sit quietly and read this out loud until the shame finally lands.
After Port Arthur, when 35 Australians were murdered, something extraordinary happened. Politics stopped.
Kim Beazley, as Labor leader, did not posture. He did not hedge. He did not wait for polling. He offered immediate, unconditional bipartisan support to John Howard for gun reform.
No culture war.
No dog whistles.
No "thoughts and prayers" cowardice.
Just adults doing the job.
Howard acted because he could, and he could because the Opposition let him. Beazley understood something that today's conservatives pretend not to grasp: when people are slaughtered, the country comes first or you forfeit your right to govern.
Fast-forward to Bondi.
And what do we get from the LNP, its media outriders, and the Hansonite swamp?
Not unity.
Not restraint.
Not respect for the dead.
We get vicious, self-serving politicking before the blood is dry. We get insinuations, racial baiting, conspiracy-adjacent garbage, and opportunistic fear-mongering designed to juice engagement and protect fragile political brands.
This is not leadership. This is moral rot.
Josh Frydenberg loves to cosplay as a statesman. Loves the photo ops, the gravitas voice, the talk of values. But when the test arrives, his political tribe chooses outrage over responsibility, division over decency, clicks over country.
Port Arthur showed what courage looks like in politics.
Bondi has shown how far the right has fallen.
Kim Beazley stood beside John Howard because Australians mattered more than party.
Today's conservatives stand behind talking points because self-preservation matters more than Australians.
That is the difference.
That is the indictment.
And history will not be kind to the cowards who learned nothing from 1996.
Disgraceful.

What a load of Horse#*#t, the victims of this terrorist attack have not been calling for a gun buy back for two years.

They are not calling for a gun buy back now, they have been begging for something to be done about antisemitism. Whats shameful is in that whole fb post antisemitism wasn't even mentioned once, its a complete diversion fron the real cause of the attack.


Calling the victims of terrorist attack cowards because they are angry at the government inaction is disgraceful.

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cammd said..

hilly said..
From FB www.facebook.com/share/p/1KjsrpsaXA/


Alright. Gloves off.
Josh Frydenberg and the modern LNP should be forced to sit quietly and read this out loud until the shame finally lands.
After Port Arthur, when 35 Australians were murdered, something extraordinary happened. Politics stopped.
Kim Beazley, as Labor leader, did not posture. He did not hedge. He did not wait for polling. He offered immediate, unconditional bipartisan support to John Howard for gun reform.
No culture war.
No dog whistles.
No "thoughts and prayers" cowardice.
Just adults doing the job.
Howard acted because he could, and he could because the Opposition let him. Beazley understood something that today's conservatives pretend not to grasp: when people are slaughtered, the country comes first or you forfeit your right to govern.
Fast-forward to Bondi.
And what do we get from the LNP, its media outriders, and the Hansonite swamp?
Not unity.
Not restraint.
Not respect for the dead.
We get vicious, self-serving politicking before the blood is dry. We get insinuations, racial baiting, conspiracy-adjacent garbage, and opportunistic fear-mongering designed to juice engagement and protect fragile political brands.
This is not leadership. This is moral rot.
Josh Frydenberg loves to cosplay as a statesman. Loves the photo ops, the gravitas voice, the talk of values. But when the test arrives, his political tribe chooses outrage over responsibility, division over decency, clicks over country.
Port Arthur showed what courage looks like in politics.
Bondi has shown how far the right has fallen.
Kim Beazley stood beside John Howard because Australians mattered more than party.
Today's conservatives stand behind talking points because self-preservation matters more than Australians.
That is the difference.
That is the indictment.
And history will not be kind to the cowards who learned nothing from 1996.
Disgraceful.

What a load of Horse#*#t, the victims of this terrorist attack have not been calling for a gun buy back for two years.

They are not calling for a gun buy back now, they have been begging for something to be done about antisemitism. Whats shameful is in that whole fb post antisemitism wasn't even mentioned once, its a complete diversion fron the real cause of the attack.


Calling the victims of terrorist attack cowards because they are angry at the government inaction is disgraceful.

I think you missed the point. It was saying if politicians work together we get a better outcome rather than blaming each other.
oh but you might enjoy the blame game behind your keyboard.

Pretty divisive clip.

I think it was a fair question Sarah asked him at the 10:36 mark - many don't agree. Great bit of TV when Josh loses the plot nonetheless.

Josh is not a victim and Albo was not the gunman.

@hilly I got the point, blame gun ownership not antisemitism.

Its stupidity at best, most likely its a diversion to shift responsibility and hide inaction and also an opportunity to further restrict firearm ownership.

But hey if you explain how a gun buy back will reduce antisemitism I would love to hear it.

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@hilly I got the point, blame gun ownership not antisemitism.

Its stupidity at best, most likely its a diversion to shift responsibility and hide inaction and also an opportunity to further restrict firearm ownership.

But hey if you explain how a gun buy back will reduce antisemitism I would love to hear it.

So legal guns killed people but it is antisemitism that is the only issue? Remember the worst shooters in Australia and NZ are white Anglo Saxon.

I think we need to look at all hate and reduce guns in the hands of people who really do not need them.

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hilly said..
Remember the worst shooters in Australia and NZ are white Anglo Saxon.

I think we need to look at all hate...

I hate white people now.

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Flying Dutchman said..

hilly said..
Remember the worst shooters in Australia and NZ are white Anglo Saxon.

I think we need to look at all hate...

I hate white people now.

Which ones, the Angles or the Saxons?

Anglo Saxon is a great thing to ponder here

should the poms hate on French for taking their country? Or maybe the Nordic when the Vikings came over?
the issue here is -

(1) generational hate
(2) irrational beliefs where social media feeds contribute to a massive polarisation of society with the far left and far right becoming more extreme. There's no middle left (watch The Social Dilemma which was a wake up call 15yrs ago)
(3) ignoring dumb sh1t said or done by protected species due to fear of being called racist ie: you can not in any way criticise the folks who wear ISIS flags and scream hateful stuff in a crowd permeated with dumb white uni students.
Libs can be blamed for 'letting them in' etc as some suggest in posts above. Fine. but the Labor govt recognising Palestine recently definitely emboldened the hateful folks who are anti-Israel.



regardless of the history - for Aussie residents to openly celebrate the Hamas incursion into Israel, murdering kids at a music festival is just not on and blind Freddy could see this crap coming. There is no reset button now.
Banning guns will do nil. Nothing. neither will the new legislation that just adds circumstances of aggravation to existing offences (bigger penalties) for things nobody gets charged with anyway. When was the last time you saw an Imam being charged for hate speech / death to Jews etc? Now it's just a bigger penalty - well yay.
Its just typical Govt 'gotta be seen to be doing something' and the populace falls for that rot.

love thy neighbour.

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Mark _australia said..
Anglo Saxon is a great thing to ponder here

should the poms hate on French for taking their country? Or maybe the Nordic when the Vikings came over?
the issue here is -

(1) generational hate
(2) irrational beliefs where social media feeds contribute to a massive polarisation of society with the far left and far right becoming more extreme. There's no middle left (watch The Social Dilemma which was a wake up call 15yrs ago)
(3) ignoring dumb sh1t said or done by protected species due to fear of being called racist ie: you can not in any way criticise the folks who wear ISIS flags and scream hateful stuff in a crowd permeated with dumb white uni students.
Libs can be blamed for 'letting them in' etc as some suggest in posts above. Fine. but the Labor govt recognising Palestine recently definitely emboldened the hateful folks who are anti-Israel.



regardless of the history - for Aussie residents to openly celebrate the Hamas incursion into Israel, murdering kids at a music festival is just not on and blind Freddy could see this crap coming. There is no reset button now.
Banning guns will do nil. Nothing. neither will the new legislation that just adds circumstances of aggravation to existing offences (bigger penalties) for things nobody gets charged with anyway. When was the last time you saw an Imam being charged for hate speech / death to Jews etc? Now it's just a bigger penalty - well yay.
Its just typical Govt 'gotta be seen to be doing something' and the populace falls for that rot.

love thy neighbour.

So if you were Albo what would you do?

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Mark _australia said...
love thy neighbour.

Genocide of the Palestinians is not going to end well for the jews. I would like to think a two state solution is a preferable outcome for Israel to continue to exist. Whether that will ever happen - who knows.

Edit replying to hilly

Go windsurfing

I know I would not do the immediate gun announcement. That's clutching at straws. then after a few days a criticism, suddenly say ohh I could have done more. His PR people told him he had to do that. Crocodile tears.
He is wearing criticism about ASIO dropping the ball. How about funding them properly as in reality they have 10000 people with the same risk as the son (that they apparently had on the books and then ignored)
That's not dropping the ball, it's prioritising based on resources and when you see what has to be ignored based on resourcing it's rather shocking.

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myscreenname said..

Mark _australia said...
love thy neighbour.

Genocide of the Palestinians is not going to end well for the jews. I would like to think a two state solution is a preferable outcome for Israel to continue to exist. Whether that will ever happens - who knows.

Arabs attacking Israel won't go well for them as then they get bombed by the west. Goes both ways and it's sad two-state solution is clearly the best but IS will continue to want to eradicate Jews. They just can't leave it alone
We need to eradicate the hate and that's hard. So Govt just tinkers with legislation and hopes we all move onto Boxing Day sales soon