^ i agree with the "no indicator" if going straight through. it's what was in the test when i got my license in vic and i think it makes total sense

i think more of the "roundabout rules" type videos should be played as ads on TV. i remember seeing them interstate. i don't think i've ever seen one played in se queensland

if a rule changes slightly, how are the masses going to know? how many people regularly check their states road authority website for the latest rules? how many read the racv or racq type mags?

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Haircut said..
^ i agree with the "no indicator" if going straight through. it's what was in the test when i got my license in vic

more of the "roundabout rules" type videos should be played as ads on TV
. i remember seeing them interstate. i don't think i've ever seen one in se queensland

exactly , the split second that Kozzie requires you to flash left as you go straight through a RB is just crap if you do it a 1/2 second early Kozzie will pull out in front of you !!!

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Mark _australia said..
^^ Yup that is what sh!ts me, the rudeness or inconsiderate nature. I can't fathom somebody who either does not notice or does not care how their actions affect others. Surely once they saw the above scenario and they were the one who didn't make it through the lights..... so then they think 'gee I won't do that anymore cos I am holding up others' ? Seemingly not...
Or is there actually that many dumb / plain rude people around?

Can you explain a little? I assume we are talking about standard traffic lights and people moving into the intersection to turn right.

In my experience most people squash up into the intersection, nose to tail, and the bunch goes around when there's a gap or on the yellow light (provided no bastard is running the yellow light to go through - another super annoying thing).

No, turning on a green right turn arrow.
20 people waiting in the turn lane, 10 get thru....... but some losers left a 4 car length gap as they rolled thru

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Adriano said..
Did they test a faulty cell phone, or when that phone is dropped onto concrete right next to a hose nozzle? Did they rule out a dropped phone or faulty phone will not spark?

I've learned not to trust Mythbusters - it's just an American TV show after all.

The law is still the law, even for a minor risk. Aside from that fact, making a call while filling up just slows you down and annoys other people at the servo.

Naked Lights?? Flames maybe...? Does it bother you that servos are subjected to sparking spark plugs sparking sparks all day every day when all those switched off engines are switched back on?

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>>>>, and there are many here among us that think life is but a joke. Whoops, lapsed into Hendrix mode.

Yes well Hendrix did say it, but he was quoting Dylan. Both versions great songs.

Flashback Friday on the radio today and guess what came on..... I'm An A$$hole by Dennis Leary hahaha:

"I drive really slow in the ultrafast lane
While people behind me are going insane
I'm an asshole
(He's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(He's an asshole, such an asshole)"

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However, we know even to this day,that there are on the market, override ECM's to get around the on-board system. Fitting one is easy to do. Big problem is, it leaves a signature on the standard ECM, so the system will show a pirate system was/had been installed, with time and date stamp fitted and removed.

There's a guy that you know, that may or may not have designed and fitted one of those override circuits to a truck once upon a time...

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Chris6791 said..
Turkeys that don't know how to indicate on a roundabout. You can't get off a roundabout without indicating, even if you're going 'straight through'.

Edit - you beat me to it Kozzie.

thats crap, you only have to indicate going straight though " if practical " ITS NOT NEEDED OR ****ING PRACTICAL"

Geez, hows your blood pressure, no need to shout. What's so hard about indicating on a roundabout and why are you so special you don't need to indicate your intentions to other road users? I mean, that's what those flashing lights are for right?

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Haircut said..
^ i agree with the "no indicator" if going straight through. it's what was in the test when i got my license in vic and i think it makes total sense

i think more of the "roundabout rules" type videos should be played as ads on TV. i remember seeing them interstate. i don't think i've ever seen one played in se queensland

if a rule changes slightly, how are the masses going to know? how many people regularly check their states road authority website for the latest rules? how many read the racv or racq type mags?

Correct. No indicator required in Victoria if you are going straight through. We also have enlightened laws like traffic lights are the perfect place for right turns and u-turns, unless there's a sign specifically saying no u-turn. 90% of intersections we can turn right or u-turn. Not that I have to worry about traffic or lights where I live.

I grew up in the capital of NSW that I used to jokingly refer to as "No U-Turn". Of course, in the city of Melbourne we also have that silly hook turn but it's a great excuse to plant it out after the trams have passed.

^^^ Slippery on those metal tram lines too!

Re; indicating at roundabout - it's ok on big ones, but we have heaps of little ones on residential streets and it's just not practical (also awkward).

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Re; indicating at roundabout - it's ok on big ones, but we have heaps of little ones on residential streets and it's just not practical (also awkward).

said like someone who loves keeping everyone GUESSING

*while someones waiting to join roundabout* is this ****er going straight or is he turning but his indicators are broken? and if i join roundabout will kill me.....i better wait...oh he went straight! why didnt he indicate! cant think now here comes someone behind him...is he going straight or is his indicater broken and hes going to kill me if i join the roundabout!! ****er he went straight aswell!! god damnit! why didnt he just indicate off the roundabout!! *still waiting to get on roundabout* oh heres another car is he going straight? **** it he must be the last 2 did the same thing im going to join the round about and errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr zwuzzzzcchhhhhbannng klang a lang a klang pop.

Chill Kozzie - I should have been more detailed with my comment. I was referring to indicating whilst on the roundabout - ie; indicate to turn right before roundabout, then at the split-second you are just past the 2nd exit - flick your indicator to left, or indicating left at the exact instance when going straight.

Our roundabouts are about 6m wide, so it's like indicating right then left at a normal intersection...I always use my indicators otherwise btw.

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No, turning on a green right turn arrow.
20 people waiting in the turn lane, 10 get thru....... but some losers left a 4 car length gap as they rolled thru

That's pretty annoying. I don't think it's got anything to do with leaving car lengths. I thkink they're just not paying attention. Probably looking at texts or email or picking their nose.

Re: signals at roundabouts, in the UK you turn left onto a roundabout, drive for a bit, then turn left to get off. The shape and size of the roundabout makes signalling necessary.

Most Australian roundabouts tend to go straight through with a minor deviation. It makes no sense to signal left if you're going straight through. You can signal left if you're completing a right turn and about to go off, but nobody that matters will be able to see your indicator. You're never actually travelling straight on at the waiting traffic.

It makes more sense for drivers turning in the roundabout to travel at a speed where the waiting drivers can get across and not floor it to intimidate or harrass people.

I appreciate when people indicate to exit the roundabout while I am entering to be sure to be sure. So I almost always indicate to exit the roundabour even though its not necessary.

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SandS said..

Chris6791 said..
Turkeys that don't know how to indicate on a roundabout. You can't get off a roundabout without indicating, even if you're going 'straight through'.

Edit - you beat me to it Kozzie.

thats crap, you only have to indicate going straight though " if practical " ITS NOT NEEDED OR ****ING PRACTICAL"

Geez, hows your blood pressure, no need to shout. What's so hard about indicating on a roundabout and why are you so special you don't need to indicate your intentions to other road users? I mean, that's what those flashing lights are for right?

Chris , if i pulled out in front of the path of a car because i was watching a little FLASHING LIGHT ,, telling me the car car was not coming my way.

I would not be here to SHOUT AT ANYONE ! people are forgetful you cannot rely on a flasher to tell you what a car is doing !!!


you and kozzie just need to look at the direction of travel of the car ,where it is in the RB and what speed its doing .

its pretty simple , approach with caution and ENTER THE RB if no one is immediately on your right on the RB ie [ turning towards you ]

if every one did that it would work as designed .


i still cant believe that you and kozzie want other road users to indicate that they are going in a straight line


i have to stop now i,m laughing so hard im choking on my lunch !!!

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Adriano said..

To reply to your top post with a possible explanation, I talk of SA road system, so I am not sure if it carries over to Vic ?

To get to A to B here (particularly rural driving) you must go for example: 50, 80, 90, 100, 50, 70, 90, 50 etc. Speed limit changes on our roads sometimes are poorly posted (behind trees and only one notification, damaged, missing signs) and these changes can sometimes occur for no apparent reason to the casual observer (ie: no change in road conditions or build up), but it is normally to do with council boundaries and "knee jerk" reactions by authorities when there is an accident on that section of road. There is also no consistency with municipal speed limits. Speed limits through townships can randomly range from 50 to 70. It is not uncommon to find yourself doing well over the limit because you were distracted by a hazard, a sign was blocked by a passing vehicle or tree etc and missed the speed limit posting. The only que you have (if you are not using some phone app) is copying other road users. I believe SAPOL take advantage of this confusion, and people give up and drive slowly. I have been living in Adelaide for 13 years and know this region very well. This "50-80-60-50 confusion" (as I like to call it) catches me out occasionally. So for tourists, new comers, and people with bad memory, I can understand them driving slow.

The thread started by Adriano raised a few relevant issues. He is complaining about people "chose" to drive below the speed limits. Such behaviour is, according to his majesty, not acceptable. So he toots his horns, he flashed his lights at the slower car, etc. In others words, he is making a bloody nuisance of himself.

Such behaviour could potentially lead to a road rage. By the way, I always drive below the speed limit. Why? Because ...
(1). There are no rules that say you can't.
(2). I get more time to respond in case of a stuff up,
(3). I have a 4WD which hates being pushed hard,
(4). I get to conserve fuel,
(5). I don't believe I am a very good driver, even though I have an unblemished driving record,
(6). I still get to where I want to go, safe, and may be 5 minutes later than the jock who did 120 KPH.

In the situation when some boy racer flashed his lights at me, I subconsciously slowed down. I can't explain it, but I just do !

So I am a pain in the ass ? Yes and no. I moved to the side to allow faster cars to pass, when it is safe for all parties. When I see a queue is formed behind me, I slowed down and pulled right off the road for them to pass.

Just because you are safely cocooned within a steel cage, at the command of a car, doesn't mean you own the road. Washing off 10 KPH around some sharp bends may even keep you live another 10 years longer.

Jupiter you have plenty of valid points, but provided drivers are adhering to the rules - including keeping left unless overtaking, I have no issue. The instance I raised of the Q7 driver travelling for over 5 minutes on a freeway next to a car in the left lane when he had plenty of opportunities to merge left I think is ridiculous. It's just plain rude. If you don't like being reminded of the road rules by other drivers then perhaps should should get off the road. Naturally, he chose to drive in the right lane and moved into that position. The question is, why? To sit next to another car at the same speed for five minutes.

If you think his behaviour is courteous and my behaviour was rude, you really should rethink the whole scenario again.

It's not a question of 'boy racers' flashing lights. It's a question of driving courteously and that extends to allowing other road users the freedom to enjoy the infrastructure as it was intended - to get from A to B safely and in a timely manner. That means keep freaking left if you aren't freaking overtaking - OK? If you are aware of others, you will drive to be courteous. If you don't give a rats about sitting in the right lane and blocking free flow of traffic or worse, deliberately slow down to annoy drivers then you are as much a problem as hoons.

What really gets to me and I mean really really really really really wrecks my day and brings me to hyperventilating mess of madball tears is when someone s turning (left or right either) mainly at a intersection where the said car has to come to a stop and check traffic left right etc.

Now this inconsiderate person doesnt pull over to the side of the lane in which they intend to make the turn, therefore effectively blocking any other car who might want to make a turn in the opposite direction.

If I indicate left to go straight, what do I have to indicate to go left?
Should be hazards to go straight??

Here in northern NSW on the Pacific highway, I often get stuck in a queue of cars behind someone travelling well below the speed limit. But when you get to the overtaking section, the guy speeds up to whatever speed it takes to stop anyone overtaking him. You get to the end of the overtaking section and he slows right back down.

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Chris6791 said..

SandS said..

Chris6791 said..
Turkeys that don't know how to indicate on a roundabout. You can't get off a roundabout without indicating, even if you're going 'straight through'.

Edit - you beat me to it Kozzie.

thats crap, you only have to indicate going straight though " if practical " ITS NOT NEEDED OR ****ING PRACTICAL"

Geez, hows your blood pressure, no need to shout. What's so hard about indicating on a roundabout and why are you so special you don't need to indicate your intentions to other road users? I mean, that's what those flashing lights are for right?

Chris , if i pulled out in front of the path of a car because i was watching a little FLASHING LIGHT ,, telling me the car car was not coming my way.

I would not be here to SHOUT AT ANYONE ! people are forgetful you cannot rely on a flasher to tell you what a car is doing !!!


you and kozzie just need to look at the direction of travel of the car ,where it is in the RB and what speed its doing .

its pretty simple , approach with caution and ENTER THE RB if no one is immediately on your right on the RB ie [ turning towards you ]

if every one did that it would work as designed .


i still cant believe that you and kozzie want other road users to indicate that they are going in a straight line


i have to stop now i,m laughing so hard im choking on my lunch !!!

Can't be a roundabout if you are going in a straight line. I'm with the indicate your intentions crowd, it's easy and lets everyone know where you are going.

rex think about it !!!! indicating is the correct thing to do if you are turning left or right . but if you are going STRAIGHT A ****INNG HEAD what the point ! ?

you are out of there before you have had a chance to indicate any way !!!!! FFS

as long as the WA and QLD crew stay where they are and indicate to them themselves all will be fine .

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djt91184 said..
I appreciate when people indicate to exit the roundabout while I am entering to be sure to be sure. So I almost always indicate to exit the roundabour even though its not necessary.

same except i ALLWAYS indicate when i change a lane or exit a roundabout.

its incredible the poeple who refuse to indicate off the roundabout dont sit there wondering if someones going to plow right thru them because theyre just ASSUMEING they are going straight aswell..... how are you people not reaping the seeds your sowing?!!? you just book it onto the roundabout faster then the car driving on it i bet

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bobajob said..
If I indicate left to go straight, what do I have to indicate to go left?
Should be hazards to go straight??

?t=44 45 seconds mate aint hard and it is the law

About 25 years plus ago-- I was playing in an amateur golf tournament in Kwinana.

A friend of mine rang me on the day and said he will pick me up to which I agreed--- big mistake!

After picking me up he then set off 20kms north in the wrong direction to pick up another friend.

His driving technique was to continuously put his foot on and off the accelerator pedal.

With about 10 Kms to Kwinana I started feeling sick.

When we arrived at the carpark i was as sick as a dog and did a sprint to the nearest tap for a big drink.

I was then taken upstairs in the clubhouse and for half an hour put on oxygen.

Came back to life completely and with a rearranged tee off time,played one of my best rounds ever!

To this day will not be a passenger on any extended journeys.

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rex think about it !!!! indicating is the correct thing to do if you are turning left or right . but if you are going STRAIGHT A ****INNG HEAD what the point ! ?

The point is, you are letting everyone know what your intentions are. If I'm at the opposite side of the roundabout waiting to get on, I don't know if you are going straight through or continuing around because of the haphazard way people use their indicators. If you indicate your intentions then everyone knows. What's the pushback about some common courtesy? It's so easy.

Amateurs. Come over here where idiotic and irritating driving is the rule, not the exception.

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SandS said..

rex think about it !!!! indicating is the correct thing to do if you are turning left or right . but if you are going STRAIGHT A ****INNG HEAD what the point ! ?

The point is, you are letting everyone know what your intentions are. If I'm at the opposite side of the roundabout waiting to get on, I don't know if you are going straight through or continuing around because of the haphazard way people use their indicators. If you indicate your intentions then everyone knows. What's the pushback about some common courtesy? It's so easy.

Because it's stupid beyond belief, counter to standard practice when cornering and forcing the indicator mechanism.

The problem is people are unable to react to changing road conditions, as their expectatuons are everyone else exists to get out of their way lay the road open just for them.

Note, they don't even do give way signs here, let alone roundabouts, because selfish stupid assholes.