Buster fin said..

dan111984 said...
People who drive erratically, speed, tail gate, swerve in and out of lanes without indicating. I don't see it too often, maybe once a fortnight on average but it gives me the ****s..

Also road ragers.. I've seen people swerving at other drivers on busy freeways.. intimidating and screaming at women.. Brain dead losers..

Not a sandgroper then?

Only on Wednesdays.. :S

^^ Yup that is what sh!ts me, the rudeness or inconsiderate nature. I can't fathom somebody who either does not notice or does not care how their actions affect others. Surely once they saw the above scenario and they were the one who didn't make it through the lights..... so then they think 'gee I won't do that anymore cos I am holding up others' ? Seemingly not...
Or is there actually that many dumb / plain rude people around?

Mark _australia said..
^^ Yup that is what sh!ts me, the rudeness or inconsiderate nature. I can't fathom somebody who either does not notice or does not care how their actions affect others. Surely once they saw the above scenario and they were the one who didn't make it through the lights..... so then they think 'gee I won't do that anymore cos I am holding up others' ? Seemingly not...
Or is there actually that many dumb / plain rude people around?

Can you explain a little? I assume we are talking about standard traffic lights and people moving into the intersection to turn right.

In my experience most people squash up into the intersection, nose to tail, and the bunch goes around when there's a gap or on the yellow light (provided no bastard is running the yellow light to go through - another super annoying thing).

The problem with that is if you're a tailender then you're likely to get booked on a red light camera. That happens all the time here. (One local intersection is constantly mentioned in stories in the local newspapers.) Unfortunately "the guy in front moved off too slow" is not a defence when it comes time to pay the fine.

While we're at it, I have been approaching a yellow light as it is about to turn red and stopped easily and comfortably. On more than one occasion the car behind me has changed lanes and floored it through the intersection.

Honestly, the cause of the most aggro and annoyance on the roads is the attitude of "I must get where I am going as quickly as possible and anything that gets in my way will feel my anger." A far more relaxed and considerate attitude makes the vast majority of road stresses disappear. I have mastered this, to an extent. Still working on it.

My most hated...

Used to own a 1.6 litre Corolla. Would often get stuck behind somone in, lets say a Falcon or Commodore. Sure their car was more powerful, but they would be driving a lot slower than I wanted on a curvy coastal road, and I'd be stuck behind them for miles. Then comes the overtaking lane that is always on an uphill grade because of the slow trucks. I'd try to overtake, but the Falcon or Commodore could power up the hill, and I wouldn't get past them. Then back into the windy road again, and I'm stuck on their tail for another 10 km until it happens again. And again. The solution was to drop back when the passing lane was 1km away, and then floor it and pass them at full speed at the beginning of the overtaking lane. But if it was a long uphill passing lane, they'd often overtake me at the top of the hill, and so I'd be stuck behind them for another 10km. No thinking "Gee, I've been holding that car up for the last 30 minutes, maybe I should let them pass me."

When the next overtaking lane approached, I'd try to give them the message by sitting about 2 meters off their tail, flashing high beam, and beeping my horn. No idea.

What about when you(in a sedan) are turning left at a "T" junction and a big four wheel drive is turning right .They drive right up to the line and block your vision of traffic coming toward you,rather than sitting back a bit(from there elevated position they still have a clear view) so you can safely see whats coming toward you.Next you have to wait till both lines of traffic are clear and they cross giving you clear vision.

Chris6791 said..
Turkeys that don't know how to indicate on a roundabout. You can't get off a roundabout without indicating, even if you're going 'straight through'.

Edit - you beat me to it Kozzie.

True... back when roundabouts were of a reasonable size that you could indicate 90 degrees before your exit. You're also supposed to indicate onto the roundabout. ie treat it as a new road, which for big roundabouts, they are.


As most roundabouts are now no more than a bump in a normal cross road or T junction, and everyone can see everyone else, how can you indicate onto and off in such a small space? you cant!
It make more sense to treat it as a normal junction and indicate before you get there, where youre going.
Turning Left, Indicate Left before the roundabout.
Turning Right Indicate Right before the roundabout. Flick your left on if time at 90 degrees before hand
Straight on, no indication beforehand, Flick your left on if time at 90 degrees.



We've recently had a roundabout added at a normal suburban T junction - for the sole reason that it gave busses priority to pull out turning left (rather than waiting for both directions to be clear) Its tiny.

Gorgo said..
Can you explain a little? I assume we are talking about standard traffic lights and people moving into the intersection to turn right.

In my experience most people squash up into the intersection, nose to tail,

In W.A., only one right turning vehicle is allowed to enter the intersection at a time, and wait for a space in oncoming traffic.


stephen

My pet hates........

- Cars with dodgy indicators, brake lights and tail lights - or stuck on high beam in broad daylight.

- The little Chinese [ish?] joker in the grubby white Camry that insists on driving through Girrawheen at between 10 and 20 klicks around 0630 every morning, where there is a string of roundabouts, traffic islands and stop signs - leaving no way of getting past.


stephen

imo - the roudabout rule should be altered to "if you are entering - you must give way to vehicles already on the roundabout, AND, give way to those entering on the right"

on some small single lane roundabouts, if two vehicles enter at the same time, and vehicle A enters at 5kph, and vehicle B on the right enters at 30 kph, what happens? I've seen that insurance can't sort it out and both are at fault as far as both the police and insurance are concerned. If both entered at 5kph it would be perfectly safe

most drivers seem to have accepted that it's safer to let the right hand enterers have right of way already

something i've only seen in qld - on a dual lane roundabout, when you are in the left lane going straight through, if you don't put your right indicator on, some people entering at the first exit think you're turning left and start to enter (and understandably, people in the right lane see your indicator and start to panic). so i now see people just give a few flicks of the flasher to warn those entering (i'm now doing the same). a funny old place is SE queensland

My wife thinks that when making any left or right hand turn she should drift in the opposite direction slightly to make the radius larger - ala the scandanavian flick from 70's rally drivers

bloody dangerous - but can't break the habit so I keep buying her smaller and smaller cars

even got her great lessons from a top professional driver trainer and still does it

SandS said..

Kozzie said..
not indicating off the roundabout when they are going in a straight line.

it is the law to allways indicate when leaving the roundabout so if your one of i swear ****ing everyone, who just drives straight thru then you can be booked for that.
other road users need to know what the **** you are doing. (if i see you indicate off the roundabout even if you are going in a allmost straight line i can then safely enter the roundabout from one of the other exits without wondering if your going to stay ON the roundabout and tbone me

its really ****ing annoying and dangerous i swear it must not have been the law 30 years ago or something because its seriously not a minority of drivers doing this

bull shiiit , what does it ****ing matter , if im on the round about first on your right, if you are comming in at 90 deg to me you stay of it !! if im comming from oposite you and going to where you have come from . if you are on the roundabout first , there no ****ing problem is there?

****ing sooks .............. just get on the ****ing round about first and go where you want to ****ing go !!! and if im there first i go where i want to ****ing go and there is no need for any indication

PEANUT PEANUT PEANUT



watch 45 seconds ya peanut

SandS said..

Kozzie said..

SandS said..

Kozzie said..
not indicating off the roundabout when they are going in a straight line.

it is the law to allways indicate when leaving the roundabout so if your one of i swear ****ing everyone, who just drives straight thru then you can be booked for that.
other road users need to know what the **** you are doing. (if i see you indicate off the roundabout even if you are going in a allmost straight line i can then safely enter the roundabout from one of the other exits without wondering if your going to stay ON the roundabout and tbone me

its really ****ing annoying and dangerous i swear it must not have been the law 30 years ago or something because its seriously not a minority of drivers doing this

bull shiiit , what does it ****ing matter , if im on the round about first on your right, if you are comming in at 90 deg to me you stay of it !! if im comming from oposite you and going to where you have come from . if you are on the roundabout first , there no ****ing problem is there?

****ing sooks .............. just get on the ****ing round about first and go where you want to ****ing go !!! and if im there first i go where i want to ****ing go and there is no need for any indication

PEANUT PEANUT PEANUT



watch 45 seconds ya peanut

just drive your car and if you are on a RB and i,m not i will give way to you YOU DROPKICK . and i hope you do the same for me !

watch the video dickhead your endangering lives when you fail to indicate off a roundabout even if your going straight

if you still cant handle the basic rules of driving on the road sands even tho theres a clear video explaining the exact situation at 45 seconds as i posted before heres some more videos for you mate

Mark _australia said..
Not gripe but one I am curious about - if anyone can tell me the rationale I'd love to know.

Two lanes in each direction, 70 zone. I have to turn left into my suburb. I have an old fourby so make the left turn a bit slower than most.
People behind me don't move the right to pass me.... the right lane is almost always clear...... rather they are content to slow down to almost nothing then accelerate again. Changing lanes would save fuel, brakes, time etc.

Not annoying I just don't understand why they don't move over to avoid me holding them up. Weird. I reckon about 60 - 75% of people don't move over.

Agree with above - the Perth freeway makes my blood boil, 3 lanes across doing 90kpm, and often when you do finally get to pass they speed up like they just realised they can go faster!
My big whinge is turning at traffic lights - some people leave a 4 car length gap and that is 4 cars that don't get thru the lights on the turn arrow. Happy to sit 2 carlengths behind someone on the freeway but have to leave a big gap at 20kph WTF? Selfish inconsiderate grrrr

Its because people are afraid of changing lanes. Some people hate having to look over their shoulder and instead will do whatever it takes not to. I think in your case they are not wanting to look and will almost stop to avoid it.

These same people will sit in the right hand lane at whatever speed it takes, to avoid having to go left and then back into the right hand lane. Over here in NSW, on the F3 north of Sydney, hundreds of people will sit in the right hand lane and vary their speed from 80kmh to 140kmh to avoid changing lanes.


I must admit, I have that practice of leaving a gap at the lights. Not 4 car lengths, but probably 1. People assume that I am leaving it because I am slow. I am not. I am guilty of driving faster than most people. In my case, that gap is so that the second the light turns green I can move off, instead of waiting for the numpty in front of me to move off first. The idea is that the person behind me can move off after I move, and as a result you get MORE people through the intersection.

It sounds wrong, but it actually works that way. The reason people are slow through intersections is because they sit too close to each other, so they are locked and can't move until the person infront has already started moving. Using a gap, you move off straight away, and only have to brake if the person infront of you is asleep.

Of course, there actually are people that leave gaps at intersections because they are slow.... tar and feather 'em I say!

DaylightDebt said..
Have to disagree, it may be the law however very flawed!

It is safe to assume people do not know how to indicate. Taking this as the premise indicating incorectly is far more dangerous. As far as I am aware it is only Australia that has this ridiculous rule.

I have almost been cleaned up a few times due to confusion on behalf of other drivers indicating incorrectly.

In my opinion no indicators when traveling straight ahead is the safest rule.

Indicating early for straight ahead is very dangerous ( this happens a lot) for trafic entering at the next point.

spot on . its simple, approach with caution and the car on the RB has right of way especially if that car is on your right.