Hi everyone !

It seems like there are more and more people using the eagle for downwind in Hawaii wether sup or prone.

I'm really interested in your opinion about the eagle 1090 for downwind sup. I mainly use the kujira 1440, how the 1090 eagle compare to it ? could it replace my takuma ?

I've heard that the eagle 790 is a better lift 120... is it true ?

Does anyone know if the DW210 is a solid cured piece and can be cut at any point? It feels like it needs to be 1/3 length of what is it currently. Anyone had luck shimming the tail, any difference?

The 990 with XXS and DW210 feels "dead", too stable, it can semi-effortlessly handle the speed for sure but it's lacking playfulness big time.
It doesn't glide or pump as well as my properly sanded ART 999/325 with -1 shim, the ART tends to "explode" at times when approaching 20 knots.
Eagle has tons of potential, I can feel it, but needs to be tweaked to "unlock" the full potential.
The trailing edges on the wing and stab are too square out of the box, pretty noisy, needs to be sanded.
Seems like there is no "perfect" all around glider out there...

Seems like there is no "perfect" all around glider out there..

Probably never will be, but I'm hoping the next Gen Naish will give me something to supplement my HA1040 without changing platforms.

The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

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burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

Yes it's not fair to compare two totally different wing aspect ratios. Let's stick to Eagles here

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burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

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Does anyone know if the DW210 is a solid cured piece and can be cut at any point? It feels like it needs to be 1/3 length of what is it currently. Anyone had luck shimming the tail, any difference?

The 990 with XXS and DW210 feels "dead", too stable, it can semi-effortlessly handle the speed for sure but it's lacking playfulness big time.
It doesn't glide or pump as well as my properly sanded ART 999/325 with -1 shim, the ART tends to "explode" at times when approaching 20 knots.
Eagle has tons of potential, I can feel it, but needs to be tweaked to "unlock" the full potential.
The trailing edges on the wing and stab are too square out of the box, pretty noisy, needs to be sanded.
Seems like there is no "perfect" all around glider out there...

If you do so the eagle become close a sk8 , some people sanded the tip of the eagle in france and the outline look the same than the sk8.
Still not this close in thing because the front profile of the eagle compared to sk8 might not look the same.

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

Has anyone compared the F One Eagle to the SABFoil blade wings (i.e. w800, w1000, w1110)? I saw one comparison on FB saying that they were slow and draggy compared to the equivalent SABFoil wing. I find that hard to believe given the stream lined fuselage to front wing connection

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

I think you miss spoke though, some people may not understand the use case of a model and many change brands like underwear but
many do that because they search for a certain feel or just like to shop as therapy because they can, really not for you to criticize.
As middle-age average foiler riding F-one, GoFoil, Slingshot, Sabfoil and some Axis at times, I believe puts me in a good position to give advise.

When certain posters asking about a "perfect" all-around glider and the best you can come up with is "compare apples to apples",
that comes off as silly, not wise The Eagle is too specific to be that. The Omen is just that. The Sk8 was close from the short time I spent on it, I tried both before I added the Omen. Still have a sk8 on backorder so I can play some more with it.

The topic of the thread is "F-one Eagle High Aspect" so if you ride one and can compare it to other foils that would be helpful.
Ask the original poster who came up with this thread, I believe he'll agree with me.

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

I think you miss spoke though, some people may not understand the use case of a model and many change brands like underwear but
many do that because they search for a certain feel or just like to shop as therapy because they can, really not for you to criticize.
As middle-age average foiler riding F-one, GoFoil, Slingshot, Sabfoil and some Axis at times, I believe puts me in a good position to give advise.

When certain posters asking about a "perfect" all-around glider and the best you can come up with is "compare apples to apples",
that comes off as silly, not wise The Eagle is too specific to be that. The Omen is just that. The Sk8 was close from the short time I spent on it, I tried both before I added the Omen. Still have a sk8 on backorder so I can play some more with it.

The topic of the thread is "F-one Eagle High Aspect" so if you ride one and can compare it to other foils that would be helpful.
Ask the original poster who came up with this thread, I believe he'll agree with me.

I think you should read your first post again. It's crap advice and as misleading as all the brand marketing that says this lower aspect foils pumps and glides like a very good high aspect foil. I called it out and explained why.

Most foilers are sick of spending money chasing something that doesn't live up to expectations.

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AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

I think you miss spoke though, some people may not understand the use case of a model and many change brands like underwear but
many do that because they search for a certain feel or just like to shop as therapy because they can, really not for you to criticize.
As middle-age average foiler riding F-one, GoFoil, Slingshot, Sabfoil and some Axis at times, I believe puts me in a good position to give advise.

When certain posters asking about a "perfect" all-around glider and the best you can come up with is "compare apples to apples",
that comes off as silly, not wise The Eagle is too specific to be that. The Omen is just that. The Sk8 was close from the short time I spent on it, I tried both before I added the Omen. Still have a sk8 on backorder so I can play some more with it.

The topic of the thread is "F-one Eagle High Aspect" so if you ride one and can compare it to other foils that would be helpful.
Ask the original poster who came up with this thread, I believe he'll agree with me.

I think you should read your first post again. It's crap advice and as misleading as all the brand marketing that says this lower aspect foils pumps and glides like a very good high aspect foil. I called it out and explained why.

Most foilers are sick of spending money chasing something that doesn't live up to expectations.

Calling a 7.7AR low aspect foil really shows how wise you are, just like you claim to know what most
foilers want.

If want to call out something and explain why, it might be a good idea to have a basic understanding of the
foil terminology you are using and at least some hands on experience with what you're trying to explain.

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

I think you miss spoke though, some people may not understand the use case of a model and many change brands like underwear but
many do that because they search for a certain feel or just like to shop as therapy because they can, really not for you to criticize.
As middle-age average foiler riding F-one, GoFoil, Slingshot, Sabfoil and some Axis at times, I believe puts me in a good position to give advise.

When certain posters asking about a "perfect" all-around glider and the best you can come up with is "compare apples to apples",
that comes off as silly, not wise The Eagle is too specific to be that. The Omen is just that. The Sk8 was close from the short time I spent on it, I tried both before I added the Omen. Still have a sk8 on backorder so I can play some more with it.

The topic of the thread is "F-one Eagle High Aspect" so if you ride one and can compare it to other foils that would be helpful.
Ask the original poster who came up with this thread, I believe he'll agree with me.

I think you should read your first post again. It's crap advice and as misleading as all the brand marketing that says this lower aspect foils pumps and glides like a very good high aspect foil. I called it out and explained why.

Most foilers are sick of spending money chasing something that doesn't live up to expectations.

Calling a 7.7AR low aspect foil really shows how wise you are, just like you claim to know what most
foilers want.

If want to call out something and explain why, it might be a good idea to have a basic understanding of the
foil terminology you are using and at least some hands on experience with what you're trying to explain.

I think the word I used was lower not low. It's a relative term.

You know nothing about me and my experience or knowledge. How about you just stick to the facts and if you have more money than sense and wish to brag about your latest purchase then that is fine but not under the guise of a comparative review of equipment designed for totally different functional purposes.

I come here to help and learn and people like you have made that harder over the years.

The thread and your replies will be here for all to read.

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burchas said..

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burchas said..

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

I think you miss spoke though, some people may not understand the use case of a model and many change brands like underwear but
many do that because they search for a certain feel or just like to shop as therapy because they can, really not for you to criticize.
As middle-age average foiler riding F-one, GoFoil, Slingshot, Sabfoil and some Axis at times, I believe puts me in a good position to give advise.

When certain posters asking about a "perfect" all-around glider and the best you can come up with is "compare apples to apples",
that comes off as silly, not wise The Eagle is too specific to be that. The Omen is just that. The Sk8 was close from the short time I spent on it, I tried both before I added the Omen. Still have a sk8 on backorder so I can play some more with it.

The topic of the thread is "F-one Eagle High Aspect" so if you ride one and can compare it to other foils that would be helpful.
Ask the original poster who came up with this thread, I believe he'll agree with me.

I think you should read your first post again. It's crap advice and as misleading as all the brand marketing that says this lower aspect foils pumps and glides like a very good high aspect foil. I called it out and explained why.

Most foilers are sick of spending money chasing something that doesn't live up to expectations.

Calling a 7.7AR low aspect foil really shows how wise you are, just like you claim to know what most
foilers want.

If want to call out something and explain why, it might be a good idea to have a basic understanding of the
foil terminology you are using and at least some hands on experience with what you're trying to explain.

I think the word I used was lower not low. It's a relative term.

You know nothing about me and my experience or knowledge. How about you just stick to the facts and if you have more money than sense and wish to brag about your latest purchase then that is fine but not under the guise of a comparative review of equipment designed for totally different functional purposes.

I come here to help and learn and people like you have made that harder over the years.

The thread and your replies will be here for all to read.

Bragging about how wise you are by criticizing people purchases and choices clearly show you're not here to help
or learn since you think you know everything and feel comfortable trolling the forum and spreading misinformation.

I try and buy the gear I write about so I can stand behind it and I do.

These are my observations based on my skills and conditions. I always answer as best as I can so
others could make informed decisions.

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SilverFoilSurfer said..
Does anyone know if the DW210 is a solid cured piece and can be cut at any point? It feels like it needs to be 1/3 length of what is it currently. Anyone had luck shimming the tail, any difference?

The 990 with XXS and DW210 feels "dead", too stable, it can semi-effortlessly handle the speed for sure but it's lacking playfulness big time.
It doesn't glide or pump as well as my properly sanded ART 999/325 with -1 shim, the ART tends to "explode" at times when approaching 20 knots.
Eagle has tons of potential, I can feel it, but needs to be tweaked to "unlock" the full potential.
The trailing edges on the wing and stab are too square out of the box, pretty noisy, needs to be sanded.
Seems like there is no "perfect" all around glider out there...

Since you contemplated about the perfect all around glider I made the comparison to the Operator 1050 as I share your opinion regarding the Eagle (890-1090) feeling too stable and not playful.

For me, changing the DW210 tail with the C200 added playfulness to the Eagle, took some of the glide though.
I would try the Xs fuse with the C200. I've tried other tails and shimming but I can't say I've found a combination
that unlocked both on the larger Eagles.

Burchas, you can try my Marlin 14" if you're coming this summer;

kdfoils.myshopify.com/collections/tail-wings/products/the-marlin

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Thatspec said..
Burchas, you can try my Marlin 14" if you're coming this summer;

kdfoils.myshopify.com/collections/tail-wings/products/the-marlin

Thank you man! Got the Marlin 14" on the FoilParts F-one bottom mount for some time now. Regardless, I'll see you when I'm there next month. Hope all the fire crisis is behind you.

What are you running the Marlin on?

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burchas said..

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

I think you miss spoke though, some people may not understand the use case of a model and many change brands like underwear but
many do that because they search for a certain feel or just like to shop as therapy because they can, really not for you to criticize.
As middle-age average foiler riding F-one, GoFoil, Slingshot, Sabfoil and some Axis at times, I believe puts me in a good position to give advise.

When certain posters asking about a "perfect" all-around glider and the best you can come up with is "compare apples to apples",
that comes off as silly, not wise The Eagle is too specific to be that. The Omen is just that. The Sk8 was close from the short time I spent on it, I tried both before I added the Omen. Still have a sk8 on backorder so I can play some more with it.

The topic of the thread is "F-one Eagle High Aspect" so if you ride one and can compare it to other foils that would be helpful.
Ask the original poster who came up with this thread, I believe he'll agree with me.

I think you should read your first post again. It's crap advice and as misleading as all the brand marketing that says this lower aspect foils pumps and glides like a very good high aspect foil. I called it out and explained why.

Most foilers are sick of spending money chasing something that doesn't live up to expectations.

Im in this case, im struggling with board foil compatibility , more struggle and money wasted i wanted. Most of the brand are not transparent about characteristic of their gear, rake of angle of the mast, rake the usbox is it flat is angled and so on, list of compatible foil, thing that could really help the customer at the end.

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burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..

AnyBoard said..

burchas said..
The Eagle 1090 glides forever and pumps great but it is turns like a truck in comparison to other wings.
I replaced the Eagle 1090/890 with the Omen Operator 1050.
It glides and pumps just as good as the 1090 and it's easier and more responsive in manuvers than the 890 (and Seven Seas for that matter).

Some qualification on your statements would make them useful.
why on earth would you wing with the larger eagles unless downwinding? Comparing wings with aspect 7.7 to 9.6? What type of riding?
How much do you weigh?

within the context of DW, both Eagle 1090/890 has great glide from my experience though some comments call it to question.

Aspect Ratio is not the only metric by which foils are being measured - Surface Area/Span are also useful metrics which brings me to my comparison.
The Operator 1050 has a surface area similar to the Eagle 1090 and a similar span to the 890 and even though "only " 7.7 AR it has similar glide to the 1090 but is more responsive and playful than the 890. it takes care of all my bump needs and replaced my 3 main foils. (Seven Seas 1200 is the third ). I'm 90kg

Mmm aspect 7.7 gliding like a similar surface area aspect 9.6 foil, not likely even close but in your local circumstances it may not matter that much. Eagle = dw glide and efficiency
sk8= all round surf wing
operator = all round intermediate surf wing according to omen.
let's compare apples for apples.

There is a reason fone and a lot of foil companies offer foils in the 10 aspect and then a range in the 8 or lower aspect. Does the sk8 pump as good as the eagle. Definitely no. Does the eagle turn as good as the sk8 definitely not.

If you like the omen then great but the sk8 would likely get the same review from you based on your descriptions above.

Most wingers will be most happy on aspect 8 and below and particularly the medium to heavy riders.

The reason companies offer many foils is to have more opportunities to separate you from your money.
We can discuss how the abundance of options on the market really benefits the average user on another thread.

As for the numbers you recite, I've read the same marketing material in the catalog. What about your real world experience with these foils.
Which eagles and sk8s are you riding? What are you comparing them with? Which applications?

Real world experience is I have the eagle 790 for prone and the 690 on order based on surfing with others with the whole range. It is my new prone foil and I would probably choose a smaller sk8 for winging in waves if I were to buy more fone. I have proned for nearly six years and winged since the beginning. I am old but watching foilers on here changing brands like they change underwear because they don't understand the basic limitations of the particular model of foil makes me feel wise.
It would be nice if this forum could help people make the best purchasing decisions for them which is why I spoke up.It seems omen marketing material was good enough to seperate you from your money. Some would say extravagance.

I think you miss spoke though, some people may not understand the use case of a model and many change brands like underwear but
many do that because they search for a certain feel or just like to shop as therapy because they can, really not for you to criticize.
As middle-age average foiler riding F-one, GoFoil, Slingshot, Sabfoil and some Axis at times, I believe puts me in a good position to give advise.

When certain posters asking about a "perfect" all-around glider and the best you can come up with is "compare apples to apples",
that comes off as silly, not wise The Eagle is too specific to be that. The Omen is just that. The Sk8 was close from the short time I spent on it, I tried both before I added the Omen. Still have a sk8 on backorder so I can play some more with it.

The topic of the thread is "F-one Eagle High Aspect" so if you ride one and can compare it to other foils that would be helpful.
Ask the original poster who came up with this thread, I believe he'll agree with me.

I think you should read your first post again. It's crap advice and as misleading as all the brand marketing that says this lower aspect foils pumps and glides like a very good high aspect foil. I called it out and explained why.

Most foilers are sick of spending money chasing something that doesn't live up to expectations.

Calling a 7.7AR low aspect foil really shows how wise you are, just like you claim to know what most
foilers want.

If want to call out something and explain why, it might be a good idea to have a basic understanding of the
foil terminology you are using and at least some hands on experience with what you're trying to explain.

I think the word I used was lower not low. It's a relative term.

You know nothing about me and my experience or knowledge. How about you just stick to the facts and if you have more money than sense and wish to brag about your latest purchase then that is fine but not under the guise of a comparative review of equipment designed for totally different functional purposes.

I come here to help and learn and people like you have made that harder over the years.

The thread and your replies will be here for all to read.

Bragging about how wise you are by criticizing people purchases and choices clearly show you're not here to help
or learn since you think you know everything and feel comfortable trolling the forum and spreading misinformation.

I try and buy the gear I write about so I can stand behind it and I do.

These are my observations based on my skills and conditions. I always answer as best as I can so
others could make informed decisions.

Again stick to the facts and not put words in my mouth. That is version of trolling.

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SilverFoilSurfer said..
Does anyone know if the DW210 is a solid cured piece and can be cut at any point? It feels like it needs to be 1/3 length of what is it currently. Anyone had luck shimming the tail, any difference?

The 990 with XXS and DW210 feels "dead", too stable, it can semi-effortlessly handle the speed for sure but it's lacking playfulness big time.
It doesn't glide or pump as well as my properly sanded ART 999/325 with -1 shim, the ART tends to "explode" at times when approaching 20 knots.
Eagle has tons of potential, I can feel it, but needs to be tweaked to "unlock" the full potential.
The trailing edges on the wing and stab are too square out of the box, pretty noisy, needs to be sanded.
Seems like there is no "perfect" all around glider out there...

Adam bennetts tried many tail combinations including the kd tails for the eagle for his prone surfing setup and found the best outcome with the following. Short fuse with c200 tail and just keep chopping the tail in small increments till It loosens enough for your ability. This has resulted in the eagle delivering for him his best prone surf foil to date after riding literally almost all brands.

For most proners we are trying to maximise pump and glide while keeping manoeuvrability at speed and this was Adam's solution.

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youdigsurf said..

Im in this case, im struggling with board foil compatibility , more struggle and money wasted i wanted. Most of the brand are not transparent about characteristic of their gear, rake of angle of the mast, rake the usbox is it flat is angled and so on, list of compatible foil, thing that could really help the customer at the end.

If I manage to find a board I like I'll try to stay within a system.

My F-one rocket wing works really well with the eagle and seven seas. For my Omen foil I bought the Omen flux
board and that worked really well other than deck pad which is too abrasive on the skin if I have a session with
a lot of contact.

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burchas said..

youdigsurf said..

Im in this case, im struggling with board foil compatibility , more struggle and money wasted i wanted. Most of the brand are not transparent about characteristic of their gear, rake of angle of the mast, rake the usbox is it flat is angled and so on, list of compatible foil, thing that could really help the customer at the end.

If I manage to find a board I like I'll try to stay within a system.

My F-one rocket wing works really well with the eagle and seven seas. For my Omen foil I bought the Omen flux
board and that worked really well other than deck pad which is too abrasive on the skin if I have a session with
a lot of contact.

yes i dig that, but the best is one board for all quiver =) especialy for exemple armstrong board which is one the most expensive on the market here in europe 2000 euros. used around 1300 euros.

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Thatspec said..
Burchas, you can try my Marlin 14" if you're coming this summer;

kdfoils.myshopify.com/collections/tail-wings/products/the-marlin

Thank you man! Got the Marlin 14" on the FoilParts F-one bottom mount for some time now. Regardless, I'll see you when I'm there next month. Hope all the fire crisis is behind you.

What are you running the Marlin on?

The fire seems to be out though WA. side launches are still closed. It's not clear when they might reopen (makes the Hood River launches a bit more crowded). That said a new fire just started about 30 miles Southeast of town

The Marlin 14 I've been using with the Lift 150 & 110X. It does make them much more downwind/race oriented with the long FP adapter and 0 shim. Still turns really well though. The stock 26 carve tail better suits my style but haven't tried shimming the Marlin for more lift yet to make it similar. Kind of wishing I'd gotten the 13 Marlin, maybe you too...

Eagle
Now my post is less off topic

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Thatspec said..

burchas said..

Thatspec said..
Burchas, you can try my Marlin 14" if you're coming this summer;

kdfoils.myshopify.com/collections/tail-wings/products/the-marlin

Thank you man! Got the Marlin 14" on the FoilParts F-one bottom mount for some time now. Regardless, I'll see you when I'm there next month. Hope all the fire crisis is behind you.

What are you running the Marlin on?

The fire seems to be out though WA. side launches are still closed. It's not clear when they might reopen (makes the Hood River launches a bit more crowded). That said a new fire just started about 30 miles Southeast of town

The Marlin 14 I've been using with the Lift 150 & 110X. It does make them much more downwind/race oriented with the long FP adapter and 0 shim. Still turns really well though. The stock 26 carve tail better suits my style but haven't tried shimming the Marlin for more lift yet to make it similar. Kind of wishing I'd gotten the 13 Marlin, maybe you too...

Eagle
Now my post is less off topic

Sorry to hear about the fires

Last year you were looking to test the Eagle did you get around to it? Any comparison to the Lift?

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Thatspec said..

burchas said..

Thatspec said..
Burchas, you can try my Marlin 14" if you're coming this summer;

kdfoils.myshopify.com/collections/tail-wings/products/the-marlin

Thank you man! Got the Marlin 14" on the FoilParts F-one bottom mount for some time now. Regardless, I'll see you when I'm there next month. Hope all the fire crisis is behind you.

What are you running the Marlin on?

The fire seems to be out though WA. side launches are still closed. It's not clear when they might reopen (makes the Hood River launches a bit more crowded). That said a new fire just started about 30 miles Southeast of town

The Marlin 14 I've been using with the Lift 150 & 110X. It does make them much more downwind/race oriented with the long FP adapter and 0 shim. Still turns really well though. The stock 26 carve tail better suits my style but haven't tried shimming the Marlin for more lift yet to make it similar. Kind of wishing I'd gotten the 13 Marlin, maybe you too...

Eagle
Now my post is less off topic

Sorry to hear about the fires

Last year you were looking to test the Eagle did you get around to it? Any comparison to the Lift?

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Sorry to hear about the fires

Last year you were looking to test the Eagle did you get around to it? Any comparison to the Lift?

The Hatchery should be open again on the 13th and maybe we'll get lucky with the other. This mornings air quality is pristine with the strong westerlies

I never did get a ride on an Eagle. A guy I sailed with quite a bit last winter though used an Eagle 890 and killed me upwind on every reach (me on a Go Foil RS1150). He's 25+ Kg lighter than me and a better technical sailor too.

I'm mostly impressed with the HM mast of the F-one system (thin and still one of the stiffest), but not the design of their connection to the fuse. It does keep fuse diameter to a minimum but If the bolts loosen in use they are subject to back and forth bending. There are now two people that I know of that have lost complete F-one planes due to the bolts breaking. That said there's a lot of F-one foils on the water here. Keep those bolts tight and there should be no problem (as with any system).

Why doesn't F-One publish volume? I use Gong foils and I had a demo on an Eagle 790. I was surprised how easy it was to get up and how user friendly it was. It was really quick and loved the wingtips coming out. However Im struggling to do a like to like comparison as Fone don't publish volume. Volume is equally important to Cm3 in comparing foils. Gong publish full data on all foils including the crucial volume measurement in L (litres). Id like to compare the 790 against a similar foil with a volume 0.57L. Shame that a premium brand only provides limited data on their products.