Interesting! Wonder if a hybrid HS/HA line up will follow soon?

Nice timing...I was just debating starting out with the CF2400 or the HS1850, and thinking something in between might be nice for a lightweight beginner...(as if I actually know anything!)

Where are you getting this from? Not up on the website yet...

Ouch!! Haha!

CF950 V2:

AREA: 950 sq/cm
WINGSPAN: 670mm
WEIGHT: 950gr
AR: 5

Yeah, it seems like the 37" span and 1100-1200 sq cm area is the sweet spot for an easy surfing and pumping foil and armie is insistent on dancing around it. Literally every other foil brand has one.

REAL summary:

Not what I thought they would bring out next...maybe the beginner market is bigger than the performance surf market where the Kujira ,Vyper, Cabhrina ,Gofoil RS have focused.

Do you think the new CF2050 will be good for learnjng flat water pumping from a dock for a 65kg foiler? I would also be interested in using it for light wind wingfoiling, downwinding or learning new transitions.

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dapara2004 said..
Do you think the new CF2050 will be good for learnjng flat water pumping from a dock for a 65kg foiler? I would also be interested in using it for light wind wingfoiling, downwinding or learning new transitions.

For what it's worht, I'm 65KGs and used the old CF2400 V1 to learn Dockstarts and winging.

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kobo said..
Not what I thought they would bring out next...maybe the beginner market is bigger than the performance surf market where the Kujira ,Vyper, Cabhrina ,Gofoil RS have focused.

My thoughts too since Armie values a surfing feel in his foils. Was really hoping for a middle ground aspect ratio between the HS1250 and HA1125 style foils. Figured the CF range already had enough ease of use built in, but more performance is welcome.

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Windoc said..

kobo said..
Not what I thought they would bring out next...maybe the beginner market is bigger than the performance surf market where the Kujira ,Vyper, Cabhrina ,Gofoil RS have focused.

My thoughts too since Armie values a surfing feel in his foils. Was really hoping for a middle ground aspect ratio between the HS1250 and HA1125 style foils. Figured the CF range already had enough ease of use built in, but more performance is welcome.

Same, i was really hoping for a ~1000 cm2 foil with an AR of 7-8 and a thin profile.

Here's another review:

I wish I had this range as my starting point. The V1 cf1600 was ridiculous in hindsight. Cf1200 was pretty good.
I'm sure the HS line is up next on the refresh list. Then the HA range.not that it needs it.

Armstrong really need to bring out a stiffer mast option IMO. A Wide body 75 or 85cm. That way the performance of their fast HA foils can really be unlocked for power wingers and Downwind SuP. Those who have converted to Cedrus seem to only have positive things to say about extra stiffness.

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Armstrong really need to bring out a stiffer mast option IMO. A Wide body 75 or 85cm. That way the performance of their fast HA foils can really be unlocked for power wingers and Downwind SuP. Those who have converted to Cedrus seem to only have positive things to say about extra stiffness.

Yeah, i bought a brand new 925 complete, rode it for 2 sessions, and sent it back to armie at a loss (had to eat shipping back to hong kong) because the flex was all over the place! Its probably less of an issue if you came up on that feel but i was used to a stiff setup at that point and it felt like garbage.

The connections were also all over the place. Lots of movement between the mast and wing.

Why make a more numpty foil than the HS range?
This line makes sweet FA sense. What, make the numpty CF range slightly better? Honestly beggars belief from where I stand.

Yet there a massive gap between the HS and HA range which competitors are sh1tting all over armie gear. Just dumb.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..

baldy123 said..
Armstrong really need to bring out a stiffer mast option IMO. A Wide body 75 or 85cm. That way the performance of their fast HA foils can really be unlocked for power wingers and Downwind SuP. Those who have converted to Cedrus seem to only have positive things to say about extra stiffness.

Yeah, i bought a brand new 925 complete, rode it for 2 sessions, and sent it back to armie at a loss (had to eat shipping back to hong kong) because the flex was all over the place! Its probably less of an issue if you came up on that feel but i was used to a stiff setup at that point and it felt like garbage.

The connections were also all over the place. Lots of movement between the mast and wing.

Hey at least you gave two tries

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Armstrong really need to bring out a stiffer mast option IMO. A Wide body 75 or 85cm. That way the performance of their fast HA foils can really be unlocked for power wingers and Downwind SuP. Those who have converted to Cedrus seem to only have positive things to say about extra stiffness.

I couldn't agree more I can't even access the the 1525 of fear I will snap my mast firstly because I'm a heavy weight and then probably loose the rest of the foil and only be left with a part mast I'm 112 kg the 1125 can't handle my weight let alone the bigger ones saying this I have a lot of Armstrong equipment and love my surf riding gear and have a fun time every sesh but if i push hard in the speed department the soft mast are really letting me down I'm just hanging in there with my gear trying to stay loyal waiting for a decent mast so I can get some of the other wings I arnt bagging Armstrong as I am happy with the majority of my gear I just want a stiffer mast to get the most out of the foils

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eppo said..
Why make a more numpty foil than the HS range?
This line makes sweet FA sense. What, make the numpty CF range slightly better? Honestly beggars belief from where I stand.

Yet there a massive gap between the HS and HA range which competitors are sh1tting all over armie gear. Just dumb.

I think they are aiming at the wake market which is massive

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leepasty said..

eppo said..
Why make a more numpty foil than the HS range?
This line makes sweet FA sense. What, make the numpty CF range slightly better? Honestly beggars belief from where I stand.

Yet there a massive gap between the HS and HA range which competitors are sh1tting all over armie gear. Just dumb.

I think they are aiming at the wake market which is massive

Ah right. Yeh i suppose that makes sense from that perspective. Although I know our preferred wing behind a boat is the 725 and we've tried them all. But hey . we talking the advanced wake market or advanced riders pushing the limit - or for numpty beginners.

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TooMuchEpoxy said..
Yeah, it seems like the 37" span and 1100-1200 sq cm area is the sweet spot for an easy surfing and pumping foil and armie is insistent on dancing around it. Literally every other foil brand has one.

He'll release a video about how those foils are sh!t and how everyone else is wrong, then a year later he will bring one out

Hearing rumours the new 1200 V2 is faster than the HS 1250. Mmmmmm

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eppo said..
Hearing rumours the new 1200 V2 is faster than the HS 1250. Mmmmmm

I'd love to try out that 950 but not wanting to shell out the cash. I have a new love for the 1250. Such a great wing for wake, wing and prone.

This is the nail in the coffin for me spending any more money on armstrong.

It makes sense from a business perspective I guess if the wake and beginner market are huge but disappointing if prone surf is your focus.

Not sure why they didnt just rebrand the HS line as CF (more than doable to learn on these wings), then create the wings everyone is screaming out for that would be between the HS and HA line. Lots of people in my area have gone to lift, takuma and cab for this reason.

Ill keep one of my armstrong setups with my 2 HA wings but selling the rest to cover cost of a new lift/takuma or cab setup.

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CJ2478 said..
This is the nail in the coffin for me spending any more money on armstrong.

It makes sense from a business perspective I guess if the wake and beginner market are huge but disappointing if prone surf is your focus.

Not sure why they didnt just rebrand the HS line as CF (more than doable to learn on these wings), then create the wings everyone is screaming out for that would be between the HS and HA line. Lots of people in my area have gone to lift, takuma and cab for this reason.

Ill keep one of my armstrong setups with my 2 HA wings but selling the rest to cover cost of a new lift/takuma or cab setup.

Seems a strange move to bring out another beginner set of wings. As said above the HS are very user friendly and could be rebadged CF. They must have done their research and have a business plan. At my local it used to be 90% Armie foils, which is down to 20% at the most now. Axis, GoFoil and Lift are making serious in roads, but we are a niche market and wake riding in the US would be a huge market in comparison.

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hilly said..

CJ2478 said..
This is the nail in the coffin for me spending any more money on armstrong.

It makes sense from a business perspective I guess if the wake and beginner market are huge but disappointing if prone surf is your focus.

Not sure why they didnt just rebrand the HS line as CF (more than doable to learn on these wings), then create the wings everyone is screaming out for that would be between the HS and HA line. Lots of people in my area have gone to lift, takuma and cab for this reason.

Ill keep one of my armstrong setups with my 2 HA wings but selling the rest to cover cost of a new lift/takuma or cab setup.

Seems a strange move to bring out another beginner set of wings. As said above the HS are very user friendly and could be rebadged CF. They must have done their research and have a business plan. At my local it used to be 90% Armie foils, which is down to 20% at the most now. Axis, GoFoil and Lift are making serious in roads, but we are a niche market and wake riding in the US would be a huge market in comparison.

Serious in roads indeed.. the premium pricing for flexy masts and their wing lineup rank them pretty low in my view. They will very likely fix all the above with time, but one can also opt for another brand and have a blast, today.
As for the CF, someone give a kit to Adam for a test drive and we'll have a comparison with the current best gear AR seems too low to be a serious candidate, pumping wise.

Curious to hear if the CF950 (AR5.0)could replace the HS1050(AR 4.3) Looks to be same span with shorter Chord

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CJ2478 said..
I guess if the wake and beginner market are huge but disappointing if prone surf is your focus.
Not sure why they didnt just rebrand the HS line as CF

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hilly said..
As said above the HS are very user friendly and could be rebadged CF.

Seams like current HS and CFv2 have too much overlap to coexist. Maybe CF2 is a new user friendly version of HS? Gotta be a new HS coming for this release to make sense.

Boat waves are kinda perfect for easy foiling so I guess there's lots of untapped market potential. Would like to give the 950 a try behind my boat. Sure I'll be doing ollies in no time!

Armstrong Facebook group has some interesting feedback.

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eppo said..
Armstrong Facebook group has some interesting feedback.

Such as??