Had anybody else managed to try the new HA wings - keen to find out how they compare to the old ones - especially the 1240

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MilesH said..
Had anybody else managed to try the new HA wings - keen to find out how they compare to the old ones - especially the 1240

I've talked to guys that have used them and they say the main difference is that they have a better low end and a better high end.. and the new tip design allows the foil tips to come out of the water during hard turns without cavitating.. So all round noticeable better.

As I have the previous version of the HA1040, I am keen to know whether I go for the new 1240 or the 840.

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DavidJohn said..

MilesH said..
Had anybody else managed to try the new HA wings - keen to find out how they compare to the old ones - especially the 1240

I've talked to guys that have used them and they say the main difference is that they have a better low end and a better high end.. and the new tip design allows the foil tips to come out of the water during hard turns without cavitating.. So all round noticeable better.

Great thanks, all sounds positive!

Any comments on the extra width?

Has anybody else tried the new Naish HA wings?

I've managed to get hold of the new 1240 but we've had a wind drought in the UK for the last week or so!

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MilesH said..
Has anybody else tried the new Naish HA wings?

I've managed to get hold of the new 1240 but we've had a wind drought in the UK for the last week or so!

I had a demo on the new 1040 on their 72L Hover. The foil was very smooth and reactive, good glide as well
I think the only missing piece is a good tail wing but these are coming soon.

The Hover wing is one of the best 70L range boards I tried. Easy take off, very balanced for a sinker and feel really
good and natural on flight. Took no time to get used to.

Along withe the new ADX wing one can get a full Naish setup and not look elsewhere. Definitely upped their game.

Thanks Burchas, I hear new flat tails are coming in the new year!

Good news on the board. Have you ridden the old Hover? Naish say if you currently ride the old Hover wing board to chose a size lower in the new one to get the same stability (I.e. old 85l Hover equates to new 72l Hover). Would you agree? We have no demo's in the UK so I am buying blind :)

Hi, I have the 2023 85L Hover, and have just bought the new (2024) 72L Hover.
I haven't tried it yet, but hopefully in the next few days,___will report back!
The longer water line, and slight increase in width towards the nose, on the new 72L, will make the transition easier, I hope.

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MilesH said..
Thanks Burchas, I hear new flat tails are coming in the new year!

Good news on the board. Have you ridden the old Hover? Naish say if you currently ride the old Hover wing board to chose a size lower in the new one to get the same stability (I.e. old 85l Hover equates to new 72l Hover). Would you agree? We have no demo's in the UK so I am buying blind :)

I never tried the older hover and I can't say I spent meaningful time of the new 72L hover but I'm around 90kg wet and had no issue working the board in bigger chop. That said, if I'm winging in enough marginal days, I think the 80L range would make it easier.

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jonysan said..
Hi, I have the 2023 85L Hover, and have just bought the new (2024) 72L Hover.
I haven't tried it yet, but hopefully in the next few days,___will report back!
The longer water line, and slight increase in width towards the nose, on the new 72L, will make the transition easier, I hope.

Let me know John

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burchas said..

MilesH said..
Thanks Burchas, I hear new flat tails are coming in the new year!

Good news on the board. Have you ridden the old Hover? Naish say if you currently ride the old Hover wing board to chose a size lower in the new one to get the same stability (I.e. old 85l Hover equates to new 72l Hover). Would you agree? We have no demo's in the UK so I am buying blind :)

I never tried the older hover and I can't say I spent meaningful time of the new 72L hover but I'm around 90kg wet and had no issue working the board in bigger chop. That said, if I'm winging in enough marginal days, I think the 80L range would make it easier.

Thanks, I'm on the 2023 85l and around the same weight, so that's helpful!

I fnally.managed to get out on the new 1240HA - although the wind died after about an hour!

Set up: 85ish kg with wetsuit etc, 85l Naish Carbon Ultra, Carbon 100 mast and 220 HA stab (chopped).

My previous foil was the old 1240HA, so by direct comparison my views are:

- The increase in glide is really noticeable and a welcomed addition.
- It is slightly quicker than the old 1240, but only marginally.
- It turns nicely for its size (wider than the old 1240). I was expecting to notice the extra width in turning but I didn't.
- More noticeable from foot pressure build up as the speed increased (I quite liked that).
- I didn't get much chance to try pumping it, but the Limited chances I did, it felt like you needed to use less front foot pressure, with more pressure on the back leg. (I am no expert yet so take that with a pinch of salt). The extra glide was great for pumping.
- A similar stall speed as the old 1240 (which I feel is quite low for a foil of its size).
- It needed slightly more wind to get it up than the old 1240 and would stall if you gave it too much angle of attack. Like most HA foils it seems to need glide along the water to build speed and then a gradual lift.
- The extra width was noticeable in chop and I could feel it moving under me more than the old 1240.

On the whole a great wing and definitely an upgrade on the previous version. I'll use it as a fairly light wind wing and upto about 18-20 knots. Above that and I'll use the Mach1 1100.

A question for any Naish people, does anyone know why Naish made the latest HA wings a lot wider than the previous versions?

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jonysan said..
Hi, I have the 2023 85L Hover, and have just bought the new (2024) 72L Hover.
I haven't tried it yet, but hopefully in the next few days,___will report back!
The longer water line, and slight increase in width towards the nose, on the new 72L, will make the transition easier, I hope.

Let me know John

Had my first chance today to ride my new (2024) 72L Naish Hover..........This time you can believe the 'Advertising' !!
It was excellent. some specs from today, my weight 73k, Naish Hover 72L, F-One SK8 950 foil, Naish ADX 5m wing.
windspeed today averaging 22knots, gusts to 29knots. water conditions - close chop.

At my weight the board sinks a little, but nothing worrying, best if you have perfected getting the wing over your head as you get on the board, then onto your knees,.......and away! I think the extra water line length created by the non chamfered tail makes a huge difference. As soon as the board gets on plane, it's a rocket. no trouble getting the SK8 950 up to speed.
'Touch downs' were smoother than on the 85L, maybe because the plan shape in the front third of the board has been made slightly wider on the 2024 boards, and also the increased and less rockered waterline length helps the board glide and release better.

The 82L should be perfect for 99.9%.

Anyone here ridden the c30 and c100 s27 masts? II can get the c100 95cm for just a few hundred more than the c30 85cm. Deciding if it's worth the upgrade and whether I want an 85 or 95cm mast.
Any noticeable performance benefits, mast weight?

I'm only 75kg so far from the heavyy weight category.
Cheers

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MilesH said..

jonysan said..
Hi, I have the 2023 85L Hover, and have just bought the new (2024) 72L Hover.
I haven't tried it yet, but hopefully in the next few days,___will report back!
The longer water line, and slight increase in width towards the nose, on the new 72L, will make the transition easier, I hope.

Let me know John

Had my first chance today to ride my new (2024) 72L Naish Hover..........This time you can believe the 'Advertising' !!
It was excellent. some specs from today, my weight 73k, Naish Hover 72L, F-One SK8 950 foil, Naish ADX 5m wing.
windspeed today averaging 22knots, gusts to 29knots. water conditions - close chop.

At my weight the board sinks a little, but nothing worrying, best if you have perfected getting the wing over your head as you get on the board, then onto your knees,.......and away! I think the extra water line length created by the non chamfered tail makes a huge difference. As soon as the board gets on plane, it's a rocket. no trouble getting the SK8 950 up to speed.
'Touch downs' were smoother than on the 85L, maybe because the plan shape in the front third of the board has been made slightly wider on the 2024 boards, and also the increased and less rockered waterline length helps the board glide and release better.

The 82L should be perfect for 99.9%.

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jonysan said..

MilesH said..

jonysan said..
Hi, I have the 2023 85L Hover, and have just bought the new (2024) 72L Hover.
I haven't tried it yet, but hopefully in the next few days,___will report back!
The longer water line, and slight increase in width towards the nose, on the new 72L, will make the transition easier, I hope.

Let me know John

Had my first chance today to ride my new (2024) 72L Naish Hover..........This time you can believe the 'Advertising' !!
It was excellent. some specs from today, my weight 73k, Naish Hover 72L, F-One SK8 950 foil, Naish ADX 5m wing.
windspeed today averaging 22knots, gusts to 29knots. water conditions - close chop.

At my weight the board sinks a little, but nothing worrying, best if you have perfected getting the wing over your head as you get on the board, then onto your knees,.......and away! I think the extra water line length created by the non chamfered tail makes a huge difference. As soon as the board gets on plane, it's a rocket. no trouble getting the SK8 950 up to speed.
'Touch downs' were smoother than on the 85L, maybe because the plan shape in the front third of the board has been made slightly wider on the 2024 boards, and also the increased and less rockered waterline length helps the board glide and release better.

The 82L should be perfect for 99.9%.

Thanks Jon - sounds like the new board is a great improvement over the previous Naish Carbon Ultra.

The Naish website says you can downsize 10l on the new board to get the same feel as the old board, which makes sense based on your feedback.

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Qtwind said..
Anyone here ridden the c30 and c100 s27 masts? II can get the c100 95cm for just a few hundred more than the c30 85cm. Deciding if it's worth the upgrade and whether I want an 85 or 95cm mast.
Any noticeable performance benefits, mast weight?

I'm only 75kg so far from the heavyy weight category.
Cheers

I would go the C100, otherwise if going the C35 you're going to wonder if the C100 was the better option. I have the 85 and 95 in the C100, I use the 85 for winging and 95 for kitefoil. But, when the conditions are big I use the 95 on the wing as it helps avoid breaching when dropping in on big swells.

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Qtwind said..
Anyone here ridden the c30 and c100 s27 masts? II can get the c100 95cm for just a few hundred more than the c30 85cm. Deciding if it's worth the upgrade and whether I want an 85 or 95cm mast.
Any noticeable performance benefits, mast weight?

I'm only 75kg so far from the heavyy weight category.
Cheers

I have both if you can afford it I'd recommend getting the 100% Carbon mast because it's noticeably better/stiffer..

I've noticed that the C35 mast is now a C50 so that might bring the stiffness up closer to the 100..

Regarding the length I also have the 85 and 95 and I'd recommend the 85..

My new Jet 1040HA arrived today and looking forward to a session tomorrow.

Pic shows the new versus the previous iteration.

Nice one! Let us know how you feel it compares and differs to the previous.

I'd be interested to know if you run it in the same place in the foil tracks as the previous 1040. I found the 1240 needed to be moved slightly further back, but I've still only really used it in overpowered conditions to date, so need to get it out on a reasonable day to make a fair conclusion.

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MilesH said..
Nice one! Let us know how you feel it compares and differs to the previous.

I'd be interested to know if you run it in the same place in the foil tracks as the previous 1040. I found the 1240 needed to be moved slightly further back, but I've still only really used it in overpowered conditions to date, so need to get it out on a reasonable day to make a fair conclusion.

MilesH, how are you finding the 1240 for light conditions? I'm looking for something that gets going earlier than the Mach 1 900 which I love for the stronger stuff. The previous 1240 is too thick and sluggish, not really enjoyable to ride, is the S28 1240 a good option? Even the 1440 might be a good light wind option maybe, the previous 1440 was a real slug. I'm 80kgs.

I just purchased the 1440 and the 1040, I have the s27 1240 to compare. Until now I just tried out the 1040 for one time. Feels very stable, needs a little more speed to take off than the s27 1240, which I expected.

Turns very nicely. So far I'm happy but need more testing for sure. I hope I can try the 1440 next week. If so I'll report back.

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MilesH said..
Nice one! Let us know how you feel it compares and differs to the previous.

I'd be interested to know if you run it in the same place in the foil tracks as the previous 1040. I found the 1240 needed to be moved slightly further back, but I've still only really used it in overpowered conditions to date, so need to get it out on a reasonable day to make a fair conclusion.

MilesH, how are you finding the 1240 for light conditions? I'm looking for something that gets going earlier than the Mach 1 900 which I love for the stronger stuff. The previous 1240 is too thick and sluggish, not really enjoyable to ride, is the S28 1240 a good option? Even the 1440 might be a good light wind option maybe, the previous 1440 was a real slug. I'm 80kgs.

I have the Mach 1 1100 for strong winds and until recently the S27 HA1240 for lighter wind.

The new S28 HA1240 I've used as low as 12 knots and once up it is a great light wind foil. Glides a lot further than the old one and turns well for its size. In comparison to the Mach 1 1100 it gets up a lot earlier and will be a LOT earlier than the Mach 1 900.

For my weight at 85kg it needs slightly more wind than the old S27 1240 and you really have to let it plane along the surface to build speed or it will stall a lot more than the old 1240. But once up, it is a step up. More glide, slightly faster and turns well. Don't expect night and day difference in speed, but it does have more pace.

Lower than 12 knots I am yet to find a reliable way to pump it up (unlike the old 1240). It stalls out too much for me, but maybe I just need to adapt my technique.

To answer your question, yes I'd happily use it as a light wind foil if down to 12 knots. But any less I'd be looking at something slightly bigger (maybe the 1440), but only because of the need for planing before getting it up, once up it would be great.

If I find a reliable way to pump it up with limited wind, I'll let you know
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I managed a few sessions over the last couple of days in varying conditions on the 1040HA. I'm still dialling it in, but it's very similar to the S27 version, but much improved in turning and gliding. At 70kg on an 85L board, easy to get going in 8-10 kn.

Other than the improved tune and glide, the biggest difference I've noticed is that it wants to ride much higher on the mast compared to the old version. So much so, I was ready to breach a few times but it just hung in and rode really high on the swell.

My mast was set back so the HO and half the V was shower in HOVER, so around 35mm back from the front of the track.