Haha leggo the only reason I take the piss out of The Dacron Disaster is because you are such a fanboy. And You easily get ultra defensive when provoked. It wouldn't matter if Former World Wave Sailing Champion Kauli Seadi BRA-253 (aka FWWSCKSBRA253) won the 2013 title on one. It'll still be funny offsetting your HSM plugs..

Guess FWWSCKSBRA253 digs the light gear too, that's why he left pryde?

*A disclaimer I have never used a Super Freak.
**Disclaimer 2, this is OT but hey

I used to race sailing boats at a national level and the two classes I competed in over the years had dacron sails mandated by the rules, man they were horrible. One season of hard racing, sails... finished! I can't imagine 'dacron technology' has advanced much since then and even though the loads on a windsurfing rig aren't nearly as high it still doesn't sound like a good idea. If dacron was that good everyone would be using it, they aren't, not one high performance class where sail cloth isn't dictated by the rules uses dacron. The world has moved on

Does anybody seriously think we'll ever see Kauli on a superfreak for anything other than promotional shots? I don't.

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CJW said...
*A disclaimer I have never used a Super Freak.

That says it all!

word on the street is that when the factories were left with a ton of dacron - as windsurf and sail manufacturers had moved on to better technologies - hot sails came along and grabbed the lot for cheap ! smart business having super low material costs
hopefully they have found a way to make this old tech work. i liked some of their color schemes un the past - especially the aussie flag. but have really never been able to take hi percentage dacron sails seriously from a performance perspective. they might have a nice soft forgiving feel for progressing sailors though.

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Reflex Films said...
word on the street is that when the factories were left with a ton of dacron - as windsurf and sail manufacturers had moved on to better technologies - hot sails came along and grabbed the lot for cheap ! smart business having super low material costs
hopefully they have found a way to make this old tech work. i liked some of their color schemes un the past - especially the aussie flag. but have really never been able to take hi percentage dacron sails seriously from a performance perspective. they might have a nice soft forgiving feel for progressing sailors though.

The Superfreak was introduced in 2002 that is about 10+ years after Dacron sails stopped being the norm. So I very much doubt your rumour is true and it dose not explain the SuperFreak Ultra light which use Kite Material in the majority of panels.

Anyway regardless of your fondness for the Superfreak it does not belong in the ultra light weight rig thread, they are heavy sails by any measure, even the 'UL' edition. Maybe they 'feel' light when you are sailing in a steady state but that is not what we are talking about, they are not in the ballpark when it comes to swing weight, which in the waves/freestyle is huge. Firelight yes, Superfreak, no.

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Anyway regardless of your fondness for the Superfreak it does not belong in the ultra light weight rig thread, they are heavy sails by any measure, even the 'UL' edition. Maybe they 'feel' light when you are sailing in a steady state but that is not what we are talking about, they are not in the ballpark when it comes to swing weight, which in the waves/freestyle is huge. Firelight yes, Superfreak, no.

I did not start talking about it here. I am just commenting on other people comments.

"The SuperFreak Maui Edition is Jeffrey Henderson's new personal design wave sail. He took everything he loves about the SuperFreak, (and that is nearly everything) and combined it with all the most contemporary pure wave sail features.

The result is a sail with a much more loose leech, extreme maneuverability, and is very lightweight yet tough. It is designed for wave riding and also for freestyle as there is more room for your body to move in extreme moves.

Landing jumps like a back loop is easier with the looser leech, and any underwater recovery is a snap. Power is strong; with better pull out of low wind situations due to the increased shape below the boom."

Lol. Leggo the superfreakgeek always delivers.

So has anybody weighed their full rig? It's pretty easy to look up the component weight stats, but I think a total weight of an irl rig is needed.

All I own is a boom atm, so I can't get a total.

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legless said...
I did not start talking about it here. I am just commenting on other people comments.

Well you posted a 4+ min video of someone sailing a Superfreak? Sure you made no comment but was the intention of posting such a video, "hey guys consider this sail"?

Anyway, I'll get the scales cranking barn, to the garage! :)

Edit: weights

'13 S1 4.7 - 2748g
370 Gorilla - 1648g
Enigma 140-190 with lines and uphaul - 2425
Wave grenade 38cm carbon ext - 509g
Uni base - 348g

Rig weight = 7.678kg

My 5.3 is still wet so didn't think it was fair to weigh it, will do when it dries, but stick to 4.7's for now....pretty common size.

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legless said...
I did not start talking about it here. I am just commenting on other people comments.

Well you posted a 4+ min video of someone sailing a Superfreak? Sure you made no comment but was the intention of posting such a video, "hey guys consider this sail"?

Check the posts I only posted that video after Barn slagged off the SuperFreak. I posted the video which is not a Hot Sails Maui promotional video which I could have posted to show people that Barn did not know what he was talking about it appears you don't either.............Maybe you should check your posts before posting as they seem to be full of factual errors!

What is your obsession with attacking a sail that you have not used and know little about. I do not attack other windsurfing products. I believe in supporting windsurfing whatever people choose to sail with even if it is a product I don't want to use.

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CJW said...

legless said...
I did not start talking about it here. I am just commenting on other people comments.

Well you posted a 4+ min video of someone sailing a Superfreak? Sure you made no comment but was the intention of posting such a video, "hey guys consider this sail"?

Check the posts I only posted that video after Barn slagged off the SuperFreak. I posted the video which is not a Hot Sails Maui promotional video which I could have posted to show people that Barn did not know what he was talking about it appears you don't either.............Maybe you should check your posts before posting as they seem to be full of factual errors!

What is your obsession with attacking a sail that you have not used and know little about. I do not attack other windsurfing products. I believe in supporting windsurfing whatever people choose to sail with even if it is a product I don't want to use.

simple barn is jealous

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Edit: weights

'13 S1 4.7 - 2748g
370 Gorilla - 1648g
Enigma 140-190 with lines and uphaul - 2425
Wave grenade 38cm carbon ext - 509g
Uni base - 348g

Rig weight = 7.678kg

It adds up! About time manufacturers quote top and bottom mast weights separately. Bushwalkers used to say "1lb in the boots is worth 4 lb in the pack" The same would be true of the top and bottom halves of a mast.

They must stop letting kids on the internet, gotta love the "but he did it first" argument.

If anyone else has complete rig weights for a brands gear, they should put them up. Severne quotes 1.65kg for the 370 gorilla, which is pretty close to what CJW weighed, so we can assume if we use a redline mast it would be close to the quoted 1.35kg? CJW, can you weigh the boom without the uphaul?

Legless, I assume as a distributor of hotsails you would have access to a 4.7 wave rig to weigh?

Will post for north platinum set up for my 2013 hero 4.7 + carbon boom + 100% carbon 400 rdm + carbon Chinook ext

Not a lot else to do when theres no wind, no surf and my downhill mountain bike is buggered

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Check the posts I only posted that video after Barn slagged off the SuperFreak.

And I slagged it off because you're always running around pumping the Rick James Pro Model.

I just thought it was funny that there's the firelight and superfreak on the same same sail range.

This place is not serious, I've never had a whisper from the ezzy or pryde distributors, presumably they don't give a fark what I say on here. None of it is personal. This is an internet forum.

Cjw, measure the gear without the uphaul! Nobody else uses them!

How are you weighing this? What equipment?

I'll weigh some NP, North and a SuperFreak for fun.

I have 2 superfreaks and am very satisfied...

I would also recommend Exocet's XO Fusion, 3 batten freestyle-wave sail...I bought a 6.5 2 years ago, did about 35 days on it so far and it's as good as new. Woorks with 200cm boom, 475luff...I am not sure how much it weights but it is guaranteed and tested that 6.5 XO fusion is lighter than 4.5 NS ICE(2008 model)...

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evlPanda said...
How are you weighing this? What equipment?

I'll weigh some NP, North and a SuperFreak for fun.

You may be better of weighing the rig wet if you want a real comparison. After all most of us sail the rig wet unless your a real hot shot.

If a rig has a tendency to hold more water due to shape or material then this will undermine the dry weight.

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evlPanda said...
How are you weighing this? What equipment?

I'll weigh some NP, North and a SuperFreak for fun.

Digital kitchen scales.

And just weigh it dry. Weighing it wet, although a more 'real world' scenario is insanely arbitrary, was it soaked, how long did it drip for before you weighed it etc etc...just weigh the stuff dry.

Ultra light wave Sailing Rig!? I never tried the new hotsail, however I think a sail can be light and feel heavy and a sail can be heavy and feel light. I guess for most of us, regular sailor, best advice would consider a board floaty enough to go out on a 5.0 and smaller for our hability in light wind days, unless you are 100kg or the wind is onshore. Bigger than 5.0 is adding weight for nothing in side, side-off days with relatively good swell. No Gain really. Now, 0.5kg lighter??? Sail must have good range and good stability. Let say you are ok on your light sail on a mast high day and the wind is gusty. Average Joe needs to control the 5 to 8 knts more wind in the face of the wave...with gust of the day. Now, lighter sails really matters? If they got all that, Good!!

Kauli up close and personal with a GoPro mounted to his harness, somewhere above Kanaha with his SuperFreak Maui Ed. video coming soon!

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Kauli up close and personal with a GoPro mounted to his harness, somewhere above Kanaha with his SuperFreak Maui Ed. video coming soon!

blah blah blah, this is why your posts are annoying. weigh a rig and post the weights. pimping unrelated **** is annoying.

Results for north:

4.7 hero = 3200g
150-200 platinum boom = 2650g
400 platinum mast = 1310g
chinook carbon extension = 400g
mast base = 300g

total = 7860g

interestingly, a 370 severne gorilla weighs more than a 400 north platinum. the north packs a bit more chub when it comes to the sail though. enigma boom weighs a bit less than north platinum, but its not fair in comparing because the severne in question is 140-190 and the north in question is 150-200

i personally dont think 1kg + or - makes that much difference. what matters to me is the feel of the sail, power, de-powering ability... a bit of weight sometimes isn't a bad thing (not just saying that because the north is 200g heavier)

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legless said...
Kauli up close and personal with a GoPro mounted to his harness, somewhere above Kanaha with his SuperFreak Maui Ed. video coming soon!

blah blah blah, this is why your posts are annoying. weigh a rig and post the weights. pimping unrelated **** is annoying.

"How to post a review...

This is an open-slather review fest.

Joe public and shops are welcome to post reviews of any/all windsurfing kit they've got, including everything from boards to sails to videos and more!

If you disagree with a review .. think it's biased .. whatever - thats ok. But please post your own review - don't waste everybodies time bagging the original review/reviewer. We'd all rather hear your opinion of gear, not your opinion of the review/reviewer! "


www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/How-to-post-a-review/

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legless said...
"How to post a review...

This is an open-slather review fest.

Joe public and shops are welcome to post reviews of any/all windsurfing kit they've got, including everything from boards to sails to videos and more!

If you disagree with a review .. think it's biased .. whatever - thats ok. But please post your own review - don't waste everybodies time bagging the original review/reviewer. We'd all rather hear your opinion of gear, not your opinion of the review/reviewer! "


www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/How-to-post-a-review/

Then start a hot sails review thread which we can happily ignore and stop polluting this thread. This thread is about ultralight wave sailing rigs, so feel free to post some firelight weights, but what does kauli signing with hotsails have to do with anything?

Legless this is not a review thread, this is the Ultralight wave sailing rig thread. It has been supposed that the Superfreak does not fit into this category, if you disagree, weigh one and post it. Otherwise start a review thread on the Superfreak.


@ Bowsa, yeah the gorilla is a bit porky but it's tough and comes with a pretty impressive warranty, which is why I own one. I also think the difference between a 140-190 and a 150-200 boom is 20 cm of carbon which would weigh what, 10g? Either way i'd be surprised if it's more than 50g diff. Did you weigh with an uphaul?

Swing weight is everything


*edit: swoosh beat me ^_^

jesus christ - are you two brothers in real life who argue about everything and always have to have the final say?

@CJW - yeah the north boom is probably a bit heavier, even in proportion to my slightly bigger one. and nope, thats not with an uphaul, haven't sailed with an uphaul for about 15 years (not bagging anyone that does sail with one though)

ok,

5.5 FL (trashed the 5.0), 370 powerex 85%, 48cm streamlined extension. aeron boom alloy with harness lines.

the 5.5 does not really go on the 370 but with min DH of 17cm it can, sort of, not really.

didn't have the mast base in, does it really count as rig weight as there is zero swing weight from it being so close to the board.

total weight 7.29Kags

i'll pull out the Dacron picnic rug (Barns lingo not mine) and weigh it.

des,
hosed it down 7.78kg and falling.