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Taavi said..

TomDW said..

Link to a map:

www.google.com/maps/@58.9429599,22.0501222,152m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

That looks like a cool spot Taavi! Never figured you could wavesail in Estonia ??
I am Belgian, sailing on the Southern shores of Holland. Just like you, I have noticed the winds becoming much less steady and predictable over the last years. We definitely get less SW and more/longer periods of totally **** weather for windsurfing. Reason why I took to windfoiling as well.

Thnx Tom. Same, wingfoiling has been a total lifesaver over the last few years, and fortunately it complements windsurfing pretty nicely. Will never completely replace the feeling though.

On the topic of Goya / Quatro 2025... have been super lazy with the videos lately, filmed on one day only.

Namibia looks epic... where is that spot? How consistent is it?

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Flying Dutchman said..

On the topic of Goya / Quatro 2025... have been super lazy with the videos lately, filmed on one day only.

Namibia looks epic... where is that spot? How consistent is it?

Sry for that little inside joke. It's still SA, but in a spot that can't be named. Not consistent for windsurfing, on smaller days surfers take all, they have the priority here.

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Taavi said..

Flying Dutchman said..

On the topic of Goya / Quatro 2025... have been super lazy with the videos lately, filmed on one day only.

Namibia looks epic... where is that spot? How consistent is it?

Sry for that little inside joke. It's still SA, but in a spot that can't be named. Not consistent for windsurfing, on smaller days surfers take all, they have the priority here.

Ah ok ha! Is it just me or are there surfers in that video saying f@#k off?

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Ah ok ha! Is it just me or are there surfers in that video saying f@#k off?

Sounded like that yes. Never took any of their waves though, and always left the wave early if somebody was on it.

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Taavi said..

Flying Dutchman said..

On the topic of Goya / Quatro 2025... have been super lazy with the videos lately, filmed on one day only.

Namibia looks epic... where is that spot? How consistent is it?

Sry for that little inside joke. It's still SA, but in a spot that can't be named. Not consistent for windsurfing, on smaller days surfers take all, they have the priority here.

The clue is the hill in the background.

Anyone tested the new Goya One? Can't find anything.

I wanted to add my 10c worth. I owned a 2022-23 Goya Quad 104L, and recently took delivery of a 24/25 99L Custom Thruster. I am 73kg and the 104L was just a little too big for me even in the often very light DTL conditions I sail. And the step down from the 104 is 96L in the quad, so I went for the 99L thruster. First off the 99L is a HUGE 1.3kg lighter than the 104L. You feel that every time you ride it. It rides really nice, bottom turns better than the 104L. It planes off really well. When pumping into a wave the 104L would sometimes feel like you had to push it over a hump , the 99L thruster just slips down the wave face. Little bit harder to tack of course, but no biggy. I use a 6.3 Banzai as my biggest sail , it handles it well and doesn't feel too big for the board.Just to add, the Goya Quads and Thrusters are very similar shapes and ride very much the same. Not like some other brands, where the Thruster and Quad models are quite different.

Hey guys, does anyone have the weight for new sails?, mean measured weight
Thanks

Good to see manufacturers working on lightening boards without compromising performance. Curious to see how these actually stack up on the scale when they hit the market.

Could anybody already compare durability of the new, lighter 2024/2025 boards to the older models?
I have some impressions after over half a year of use but that may be just related to the first batch of boards, where my board is from (July 2024 delivery).

I have a Custom4 from the year before but I haven't tried this year model. What are your findings?

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leto said..
I kinda like my 95L Quatro Cube 2016 with a bit narrower tail than 2025 model. 2016 cubes were super light and looked very happy. Not looking to change to 2025 any time soon (maybe in 2035) but absolutely hate brands changing fin systems every year considering some of us have nice sets of good performers ironed out. I actually rarely buy boards that don't fit my fin sets... silly I guess ..

I don't think it is such a minor issue. It's not good to have to through away fins ... I was looking into buying a 95L Goya One 12 2025 and then I realized that they use an offset central fin and mini-tuttle sides. Result: none of my fins fit. So ... no Goya 12 One 2025.

BTW: I wonder how wise is to use an offset fin .. can somebody explain the rational? I guess the "problem" is that the bolt of the fin would otherwise interfere with the footstrap bolt? And 1.5 cm displacement of foot position is so crucial that one has to come up with an offset fin?!#@#

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duzzi said..

I don't think it is such a minor issue. It's not good to have to through away fins ... I was looking into buying a 95L Goya One 12 2025 and then I realized that they use an offset central fin and mini-tuttle sides. Result: none of my fins fit. So ... no Goya 12 One 2025.

Similar problem I had with a Goya 2013 Custom Quad in 118 size. For the size of board you really needed a bigger fins than what came with the board. The problem was no one was making fins that fit the short boxes they used. The only option was to get a fin for a different style box and re-build the base. It was frustrating at best.

In the case of this board it looks like without the offset the bolt hole for the powerbox fin would otherwise end up right under the rear foot strap. The solution they picked was to offset the fin. The probably tried it without offset and found the board either didn't turn as well or had too much drag due to the spacing between thrusters and center fin.

To sell it as a no compromise solution is one thing... trying to find fins that fit that solution is another.

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duzzi said..

I don't think it is such a minor issue. It's not good to have to through away fins ... I was looking into buying a 95L Goya One 12 2025 and then I realized that they use an offset central fin and mini-tuttle sides. Result: none of my fins fit. So ... no Goya 12 One 2025.

BTW: I wonder how wise is to use an offset fin .. can somebody explain the rational?

It's quite common to have power box center fin for freewave boards, it's not only Goya that does that. JP does it too for example (jp-australia.com/p/windsurfing/boards/freestyle-wave-pro/). And you don't need to use that novel MFC fin that moves the fin a bit more forward in the box. You can use a normal powerbox fin, as you would with any other board that has a powerbox. The beauty of this fin ( mfchawaii.com/eu/shop/windsurf/fins/freewave/freewave-single-fin-2024/ ) is that it places the fin a bit closer to the back foot strap, and just by doing that the board becomes much more enjoyable to wave ride, compared to other freewave boards with powerbox and ordinary powerbox fins.

BTW, wave boards have the center fin (or center fins, in case of a quad) even more forward. See the pictures below. And that's one of the reasons what makes the wave boards so agile and turn so well.

So, yes, it's a very wise thing to move the fin further forward on your freewave board. But you don't have to. You may use a normal powerbox fin, if you prefer a more locked in feel and are not yet looking for ways how to make the board more agile.

Interestingly, Starboard chose the opposite approach for the Kode:
finbox centered below the footstrap with a normal centered fin for a wave configuration and a fin all the way back (instead of all the way forward like the Goya One) for a freeride single fin configuration (the board is sold with two sets of fins).
The screw is easily accessed by twisting a bit the strap (unfortunately, I have no right to post a photo of this).

One disadvantage of having a powerbox fin all the way forward is that in case of touching the bottom of the sea (getting too close to the shore, for instance) the leverage force is much greater on the back of the fin and thus it is easier to damage the finbox. Another one is obviously the fact that you can't use any other fin that you already own.

Anyway, in my view it makes no sense to make wave-oriented boards with a non-adjustable box (at least below 90 liters). All these issues would be gone with a standard us-box.

BTW, hello everybody, this is my first post here. Great place to read very interesting info!!

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Galerna said..
Interestingly, Starboard chose the opposite approach for the Kode:
finbox centered below the footstrap with a normal centered fin for a wave configuration and a fin all the way back (instead of all the way forward like the Goya One) for a freeride single fin configuration (the board is sold with two sets of fins).
The screw is easily accessed by twisting a bit the strap (unfortunately, I have no right to post a photo of this).

One disadvantage of having a powerbox fin all the way forward is that in case of touching the bottom of the sea (getting too close to the shore, for instance) the leverage force is much greater on the back of the fin and thus it is easier to damage the finbox. Another one is obviously the fact that you can't use any other fin that you already own.

Anyway, in my view it makes no sense to make wave-oriented boards with a non-adjustable box (at least below 90 liters). All these issues would be gone with a standard us-box.

BTW, hello everybody, this is my first post here. Great place to read very interesting info!!

Welocme @Galerna, here is a picture of the fins included with the code. Different approach, but kind of similar end result. I can only guess, but perhaps one of the reasons why MFC came up with such a fin ( mfchawaii.com/eu/shop/windsurf/fins/freewave/freewave-single-fin-2024/ ) is that it helps to make heaps of already existing free-wave boards more fun.
You wrote that by having a powerbox fin all the way forward has an obvious disadvantage that you can't use any other fin that you already own. Not true. You can easily use any powerbox fin with the Goya One, it just gives you a different feel. By that logic you could say the same about the code - you can't use any of your existing fins if you'd want to get the feel and riding characteristics that you get with the Drake fin (second from the left on the picture above).

BTW, the smallest Goya One has US boxes both for the center and for the side fins. But generally, I'd say that with the freewave and freeride boards, having less options to mess up the board trim is a positive thing. Once a rider is advanced enough that the possibility of making small adjustments starts to truly pay off, it's perhaps time to advance to a wave board. Until then, the extra time on the water is much more rewarding than messing with the settings. I think.

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Taavi said..

duzzi said..

I don't think it is such a minor issue. It's not good to have to through away fins ... I was looking into buying a 95L Goya One 12 2025 and then I realized that they use an offset central fin and mini-tuttle sides. Result: none of my fins fit. So ... no Goya 12 One 2025.

BTW: I wonder how wise is to use an offset fin .. can somebody explain the rational?

It's quite common to have power box center fin for freewave boards, it's not only Goya that does that. JP does it too for example (jp-australia.com/p/windsurfing/boards/freestyle-wave-pro/). And you don't need to use that novel MFC fin that moves the fin a bit more forward in the box. You can use a normal powerbox fin, as you would with any other board that has a powerbox. The beauty of this fin ( mfchawaii.com/eu/shop/windsurf/fins/freewave/freewave-single-fin-2024/ ) is that it places the fin a bit closer to the back foot strap, and just by doing that the board becomes much more enjoyable to wave ride, compared to other freewave boards with powerbox and ordinary powerbox fins.

BTW, wave boards have the center fin (or center fins, in case of a quad) even more forward. See the pictures below. And that's one of the reasons what makes the wave boards so agile and turn so well.

So, yes, it's a very wise thing to move the fin further forward on your freewave board. But you don't have to. You may use a normal powerbox fin, if you prefer a more locked in feel and are not yet looking for ways how to make the board more agile.

You are right, I just got an e-mail reply from Mr.Goya himself regarding the One and he confirmed that you can use the normal fins on the board ... t he "hyped-up" description on the Gpya site made it sound like that small change was of fundamental consequence, something not to mess with ... It is actually just 1.5 cm difference at the end of the story and on a free-ride fun-board it probably makes for really little difference ...

Anyway, yes, of course an offset fin is pretty much the only way to change fin position on a power box, so if you want more agility for wave sailing you could get the MFC. More straight on speed and B&J? You need to go the reverse direction, like starboard has done without much fanfare.

In my small experience fins which are offset ahead of the box do a lot less board damage if they make contact with something hard at speed. That said below ~105L I don't know why they aren't just fitting US-boxes on multi fin boards.

If K4 made a forward offset version of their 3SW fin I can think of a few boards I'd like to try it on.

Bruch is using off-sets in both directions, depending on application, as I understand it:

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Taavi said..
You wrote that by having a powerbox fin all the way forward has an obvious disadvantage that you can't use any other fin that you already own. Not true.

Yes, of course you can use any powerbox fin. What I meant is that it is not optimal.

Most freewave boards are sold in a thruster configuration. This means that those boards are mostly intended to be used in waves or for bump & jump, with an option to go a bit faster in a straight line in case of flatwater, by changing the fin. I would say a 70/30% wave/flatwater use.

Therefore, I think it makes more sense to go with a "normal" fin position (interchangeable with other brands/models) for the main use and have "special" positions (not centered) for the secondary use of the board.

Of course, one could argue that the 70/30% wave use is only in our dreams and the real world use is 70/30% flatwater... in other words, the thruster configuration is there to sell the board and the single fin is there to actually use it ;-)

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Could anybody already compare durability of the new, lighter 2024/2025 boards to the older models?
I have some impressions after over half a year of use but that may be just related to the first batch of boards, where my board is from (July 2024 delivery).

Picked one up in May'24 (Quatro Power 114), seems to be holding up beautifully. Have been sailing it from 6.8 down to 5.2. Couple of good spins in the 'washing machine' some flat landings but all in one piece and pretty much unscratched......... What are your impressions?

The MFC offset powerbox fin made sense to me for Freewave boards so I picked one up and tried it on my 85-liter JP Freewave which used a powerbox. The experiement did not work out well on that board. There was no noticable improvement when wavesailing in 20-25 mph crossshore winds on waist to overhead waves. The biggest difference was in spinouts. I have not had spin-out issues since fin designs improved decades ago. The offset fin spun out at least once or twice during every run. In fairness, it could just be a mismatch with the JP Freewaves but the bolt position is the same as on the Goya One. I should mention that the JP fin I usually use on the Freewaves is one of the 10 year old copies of the Maui Fin that has almost no tip rake which effectively makes the fin function further forward than 90% of the wave or freewave fins out there which may explain why I did not feel much different when wavesailing.

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AlexF said..
Could anybody already compare durability of the new, lighter 2024/2025 boards to the older models?
I have some impressions after over half a year of use but that may be just related to the first batch of boards, where my board is from (July 2024 delivery).

Picked one up in May'24 (Quatro Power 114), seems to be holding up beautifully. Have been sailing it from 6.8 down to 5.2. Couple of good spins in the 'washing machine' some flat landings but all in one piece and pretty much unscratched......... What are your impressions?

My last twelve Goya wave/freewave boards i did own since 2014 never had an issue with scratches and dings. If they happend they where only superficial or cosmetical. I often wondered that there wasn't "more" damage.
E. g. my last Nitro 106 was blown over a tarmac/gravel parking lot by a 40+ knot Mistral gust and only had some paint chips and small dents or once it got washed over a rocky reef leaving just some minor scratches on the bottom. But it also weighted 7,3 kg.

With my current Quad 104 i have to take more care regarding such events because it seems to be a little more sensitive. But it's also about 1 kg lighter than my previous Nitro 106 though. Asking around dealers and owners of the new boards almost all of them seem to be as tough as the older generations. Maybe it's just an isolated issue with my board (first batch delivery).

Have you talked to the shop or importer about this issue?