If there any plans to adding 500 meters run to team challenge scoring parameters:
My members just ask 4 it :)

I wouldn't think so. The team challenge is pretty well balanced at the moment with a bit of everything for everyone to keep the states fairly even. Adding a new division would run the risk of upsetting that balance and biasing it towards one or two venues, probably in favour of Victoria.
If you are thinking individual rankings, that is not the prime philosophy behind the GPSTC, and I think we should continue to focus on the unique team aspect of The Challenge. The 500m distance is featured in the individual rankings of GPS-Speedsurfing. If that is your interest, post there. GPS-SS can easily give individual rankings by spot(venue) and country as well.

I have set it up in Realspeed for my own personal reference.

Here you go. This is the current 500m ranking from GPS-SS. All comers:



Here is the Australian ranking. You need to be a Gold Member to access this one:
Hmmm.... I wonder where you have to go in Australia to set a good 500m speed?

burrum heads?

If you nail a good 500 it's always good to chuck that in the comments, just like you would if you had, say, a 40 on the screen they dropped back to 39 on the 2 sec.

On the subject of the Aust ranking, it would be useful if you could filter out Sandy Point and see what you were left with!

The NM ranking might be not so biased towards sandy point

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Bender said...

The NM ranking might be not so biased towards sandy point

Thats got to be a wind up isn't it? NM is what kills us.....

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sailquik said...

Bender said...

The NM ranking might be not so biased towards sandy point

Thats got to be a wind up isn't it? NM is what kills us.....

noth'in like back leg burn to sort the men from the girls

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sailquik said...

Bender said...

The NM ranking might be not so biased towards sandy point

Thats got to be a wind up isn't it? NM is what kills us.....

noth'in like back leg burn to sort the men from the girls

The leg burn is not the problem, it's the short run and lack of a NM run without a gybe that we lack.
The inclusion of the NM in the team Challenge, and to a lesser extent the 1 hr, keeps the PiT crew from potentially dominating the thing. We wholeheartedly support that balance.

I can't find a way to just filter out Sandy Point from the Australian 500m ranking but you can get a ranking for any single venue, like for instance Burrum Heads:

it is yet to be fully exploited.

on a serious note NM potential is fantastic.

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Bender said...

sailquik said...

Bender said...

The NM ranking might be not so biased towards sandy point

Thats got to be a wind up isn't it? NM is what kills us.....

noth'in like back leg burn to sort the men from the girls

The leg burn is not the problem, it's the short run and lack of a NM run without a gybe that we lack.
The inclusion of the NM in the team Challenge, and to a lesser extent the 1 hr, keeps the PiT crew from potentially dominating the thing. We wholeheartedly support that balance.

I'm fully aware of that and am very glad the GTC is set up this way.It gives other teams other than the Pit Crew a chance. I'm only having a friendly dig.

Hi Daffy and Bender,

I think to keep the balance fair, now we have no speed spots in SA - lose the 2 sec and 5 x 10 sec and leave everything else.

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Gestalt said...

it is yet to be fully exploited.

on a serious note NM potential is fantastic.

Having sailed both Burrum & Sandy, Sandy Point has the strongest winds more often and the best speeds to date,Burrum has the most "potential" and on the right day will produce speeds that will match or better Sandy Point, the run is LONG over 4ks there's nothing to interfere with the wind plus walking around in shorts and tank top in a beautiful place with crystal clear blue water is sweet....wish i was there....it's the main reason why we are moving up to QLD

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wkcwarrior said...

If there any plans to adding 500 meters run to team challenge scoring parameters:
My members just ask 4 it :)

It has been proposed a few times since the GTC started, but for various reasons rejected.
Sailquick names most of them, but as well, Nebs says 6 divisions fit nicely on the page, adding any more is complicated. The GPS works better for time divisions not distance. It's impossible to get an exact time over 500m at 1hz sample rate. (how many metres per sec are you doing at 40knts?), it has to be an average speed over somewhere close to 500m.

Hey SA guys, what's Sellicks Beach like for speed sailing when the gully winds are firing? Obviously you'd need a day with no swell..

and hopefully we can tempt you back again.

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choco said...

Gestalt said...

it is yet to be fully exploited.

on a serious note NM potential is fantastic.

Having sailed both Burrum & Sandy, Sandy Point has the strongest winds more often and the best speeds to date,Burrum has the most "potential" and on the right day will produce speeds that will match or better Sandy Point, the run is LONG over 4ks there's nothing to interfere with the wind plus walking around in shorts and tank top in a beautiful place with crystal clear blue water is sweet....wish i was there....it's the main reason why we are moving up to QLD

Interesting to see where the best Nautical Miles have been done in Australia. Sandy Point comes in at 24th @30.51 knots. ( Al Green)

MVP comes in with the best at 36.52 knots from Burrum Heads and Hardies Run features prolifically with 10 out of the top 15 rankings.

i think that was the run mvp did when cyclone hamish was brushing the coast. it was meant to be 40 knots but only came in at 25-30

if it had of really blown i'm guessing we would have seen the potential.

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Interesting to see where the best Nautical Miles have been done in Australia. Sandy Point comes in at 24th @30.51 knots. ( Al Green)

MVP comes in with the best at 36.52 knots from Burrum Heads and Hardies Run features prolifically with 10 out of the top 15 rankings.

You must take into account that MVP wasn't even attempting to do a NM run he was concentrating on Max & 10 sec speeds but happen to get in a NM while sailing back.
Hamma has the best NM in OZ! not sure why it hasn't appeared in the GPSS rankings but then again MVP's NM took over 6 months before it appeared.

Yes. From what I have seen, Burrum Heads run will be sensational when it next gets the required amount of wind from the right direction. I think it has by far the best Nautical Mile potential of all the accessible spots in this country. (Now that Clayton is gone )

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choco said...
....it's the main reason why we are moving up to QLD

So now we can call you a banana bender Choco. I've just got three words of advice....Moreton Bay Mob

^ hey, what the!

i missed that. choco is becoming a banana bender..... cool,,,,,

better get ray to break out the lemoncelo

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Interesting to see where the best Nautical Miles have been done in Australia. Sandy Point comes in at 24th @30.51 knots. ( Al Green)

MVP comes in with the best at 36.52 knots from Burrum Heads and Hardies Run features prolifically with 10 out of the top 15 rankings.

Hardies is a great place to sail but we'll be struggling to go much above 36 for the mile because it is an onshore spot. It gets its 'flattness' from the fact that it is at times bloody shallow and as such bloody dangerous!
I'm not sure everyone is aware of this.
It is also a very tidal spot - having said that when the ducks line up and the wind and tide are right it can get very flat for an onshore spot
Going upwind at Hardies December 2007 [note bent tree in left background]!!!

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Yes. From what I have seen, Burrum Heads run will be sensational when it next gets the required amount of wind from the right direction. I think it has by far the best Nautical Mile potential of all the accessible spots in this country. (Now that Clayton is gone )

we put more emphasis on the distance classes at the speed event at burrum at AMACs request. once i explained the setup of the location he really felt that was it's selling point.

gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2009-01-01&team=16

looks like the pit does have the goods

Here is my selective 500 meter stats from the GPSSS site.
Western Aus States (pop 22 million), 19 sailors over 40 knots for 500 meters.

In the far poorer, smaller Eastern Island State (NZ),
with no "Sandy Point status" & no "consistent wind"
~ 8 sailors have exceeded "40 knots for 500 meters".

5 of those 40 knots Sailors used KA Koncepts & 5 home made boards,
What is most surprising from the homeland of Carbon Art,
Not one Sailor used a Carbon Art speed board.

All but bar 1 of these 500 meters was recorded many moons/ 500 meters ago.


For GTC to be fairer, 500m should be included!
If the Far Eastern State weather returns back to normal,
NZ may be able to compete in the GTC & the 500 meter will make it fairer comp.



We know 500m! Its here to there.

Time of 10 seconds, can't see, can't feel!.....

Bring on 500m to the GTC!

Tradition can not be discarded!

I also think 500m is also important. It doesn't have to be high ranked, but it will be great if it is shown.
Ok, Sandy is great, but there are also other countries that compete, and we are fighting like crazy to reach 30 on 500 meters, and we will never be as fast as you on Sandy, but it is great to know difference.

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If the Far Eastern State weather returns back to normal,
NZ may be able to compete in the GTC & the 500 meter will make it fairer comp.

We know 500m! Its here to there.

Time of 10 seconds, can't see, can't feel!.....

Tradition can not be discarded!

Only ONE spot in the eastern state has produced 40 knot 500's. That is Chris Torcklers home spot.
When a guy as fast as Chris Torckler is stuck on 42.32 500m and has even gone over to the Kites to try to go faster, you should see the writing on the wall. Come over here to the big Western state like Dave MacInnes has done if you want a fast 500.

As for 10 seconds, that is much easier than some measured distance. Just count to yourself, 1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10... You can count and speedsail at the same time can't you?

BTW, as has been mentioned, with our GPS, 500m is not 500m, it is the next nearest distance that falls on the full second. Not exactly traditional.

As I said, you want 500m = GPS-SPEEDSURFING

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I also think 500m is also important. It doesn't have to be high ranked, but it will be great if it is shown.
Ok, Sandy is great, but there are also other countries that compete, and we are fighting like crazy to reach 30 on 500 meters, and we will never be as fast as you on Sandy, but it is great to know difference.

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