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Obelix said..
I got burned when I bought 9 years old car. No end of crap.

A friend drives an 80 Series naturally aspirated diesel, but that manual gearbox is built for a tractor.
His diesel goes strong after 300K, but he burnt the clutch several times where he shouldn't have.

Maybe it's just his driving, but he had a lot of other "minor" problems, and they always cost him "around $1500" to fix.


I hear a lot of good rap about Prado, but not too keen to buy a car older than 3 years.
At 3 years they are seriously expensive.

And what's with the troopy?
Why is such a rudimentary car so expensive?

I may take the challenger for a test drive into deep sand.

Whats' Pajero's durability like these days?

Nothing wrong with pajero's at all. I've had my 2005 np since it was just short of a year old and the only problem I have had is the dual mas flywheel failed(mine's a manual), but it was replaced under warranty at 5 years old with a new clutch and other than that hasn't missed a beat. A mate's uncle in the last year had just traded his 2000 mn exceed in with around 600000k's on the clock which he had from new.never had any problems and towed a big boat quite often with it.
You would get a good nw with lowish km's on it for the same dollars as a FJ. I do like the toyota a lot, but as you know you pay extra for them. I drive a toyota for work, but I will still own a paj over one. good 4x4 for your money and a bloody good warranty too.

I fit 3 boards, 3 Masts, 4 sails and 2 booms with 2 harness's and fin bag + esky and other crap in it with out a drama. That's all I own. generally only carry 2 boards and 2 sails only as I generally know what I'm going to use before I get to the beach.
2 sup's on the roof racks.
Would think that on the road the paj would be a more comfy ride than the FJ and the economy that you get from the diesel is fantastic.
I get on average 9-10 ltr's per 100km's out of mine combined urban and hwy use.
I've put 150000k's on mine now and will probably keep it for another 100000-150000. Its been the only car/4x4 that I've owned for more than 4-5 years before changing it over and I'll probably get another one when I do.

Thanks FlickySpinny,

I had a Pajero NH diesel, and the fuel consumption is great, but anything to fix on the engine costs me an arm an leg.
The water pump on the Diesel costs 5 times more than the petrol one. Silly things like that.

The V8 petrol cost would be high, but the overall cost of ownership is likely to be lower.
And I don't drive much anyway.
Still, do Landcruisers keep the value...

Hi Dave,

Good to hear the durability improved.
My NH Diesel lasted 240,000 and then it died, but started smoking at 185,000. Very unimpressive for a Diesel.

Have you tried it in the sand?

new model pajero's are very good in the sand. the super select shift on the fly is very smooth and reliable. the modern 3.2ltr diesel is very powerful and strong. they have been running this engine all but a few refinements along the way for 14 odd years now. A good example of if it aint broke than dont try fix it I think. I'd look at a late NT or NW, but steer clear of the NS(late 2006-2008). the changes to the omission systems and something in the auto box was a bit of a step backwards. but the newer one are good. Most of the mitsi mechanics that i have talked to rate the NP and NW as the better models.
I'm running a 2" lift in mine with air bags in the rear to help when loaded up and the boat on back.
I've done steep point in it and it went great.
as for Km's out of the engine, I'd expect big K's for a modern 4 cylinder diesel. as I mentioned, I've known of 500000 + with no trouble.

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dave.h said..
new model pajero's are very good in the sand. the super select shift on the fly is very smooth and reliable. the modern 3.2ltr diesel is very powerful and strong. they have been running this engine all but a few refinements along the way for 14 odd years now. A good example of if it aint broke than dont try fix it I think. I'd look at a late NT or NW, but steer clear of the NS(late 2006-2008). the changes to the omission systems and something in the auto box was a bit of a step backwards. but the newer one are good. Most of the mitsi mechanics that i have talked to rate the NP and NW as the better models.
I'm running a 2" lift in mine with air bags in the rear to help when loaded up and the boat on back.
I've done steep point in it and it went great.
as for Km's out of the engine, I'd expect big K's for a modern 4 cylinder diesel. as I mentioned, I've known of 500000 + with no trouble.

Is the Super Select in all models?

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Obelix said..

dave.h said..
new model pajero's are very good in the sand. the super select shift on the fly is very smooth and reliable. the modern 3.2ltr diesel is very powerful and strong. they have been running this engine all but a few refinements along the way for 14 odd years now. A good example of if it aint broke than dont try fix it I think. I'd look at a late NT or NW, but steer clear of the NS(late 2006-2008). the changes to the omission systems and something in the auto box was a bit of a step backwards. but the newer one are good. Most of the mitsi mechanics that i have talked to rate the NP and NW as the better models.
I'm running a 2" lift in mine with air bags in the rear to help when loaded up and the boat on back.
I've done steep point in it and it went great.
as for Km's out of the engine, I'd expect big K's for a modern 4 cylinder diesel. as I mentioned, I've known of 500000 + with no trouble.

Is the Super Select in all models?

yep.

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Obelix said..
My NH Diesel lasted 240,000 and then it died, but started smoking at 185,000. Very unimpressive for a Diesel.

the longevity myth of diesel engines was built on:
a) simple low output diesel engines from the 1970s with 80hp
b) early petrol engines

In the last 30+ years, with advancements in oil lubrication design in petrol engines, plus the increasing efficiency in diesel engines, there is no real longevity differences between diesel vs petrol engines.

Of course like any Mitsubishi, lots of hi quality polish and try not to let it get sunlight on it.

A good quality polish protects your car from sunlight...

Seems not to for Mitsis

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dave.h said..
new model pajero's are very good in the sand. the super select shift on the fly is very smooth and reliable. the modern 3.2ltr diesel is very powerful and strong. they have been running this engine all but a few refinements along the way for 14 odd years now. A good example of if it aint broke than dont try fix it I think. I'd look at a late NT or NW, but steer clear of the NS(late 2006-2008). the changes to the omission systems and something in the auto box was a bit of a step backwards. but the newer one are good. Most of the mitsi mechanics that i have talked to rate the NP and NW as the better models.
I'm running a 2" lift in mine with air bags in the rear to help when loaded up and the boat on back.
I've done steep point in it and it went great.
as for Km's out of the engine, I'd expect big K's for a modern 4 cylinder diesel. as I mentioned, I've known of 500000 + with no trouble.

Is the Super Select in all models?

Hi Obelix,Dave is right about the NT or NW,I am looking at getting one next year and have done a bit of research.
The drivetrain is very good on them and there is not much difference between the late NT & NW,things like a seatbelt warning chime ,different colour roof rails and other minor differences.All the late Pajero's only come in diesel,petrol was not a big seller.
From what I have researched they are pretty much bulletproof as the engine & geabox etc have been around for a long time and have had the bugs ironed out of it.
However they do not hold there value so its best to either flick it after a short time or keep it till it dies,hope this helps

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chris35 said..
I use an Fj for my windusrfing kit and love it, easy to clean, as far as sup's go can fit my 9.6 starboard widepoint inside, plenty of room for my windsurfing kit as well, only drama is if its 2012/13 model the fuel tank is kinda small, and they can be a little bit of a pig on fuel :)

http://thelongranger.com.au/fjcruiserlongrangefueltank.html

Thanks djl070

re: holding value
Seems like it. The new one is $56K+
18 moths later, they are $43K
36 months $39K...

Pretty rapid value detoriation. But the cars are really not assets...as much as dealers would like us to think differently.
However, all Mitsubishies drive really well.

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Obelix said..
Thanks djl070

re: holding value
Seems like it. The new one is $56K+
18 moths later, they are $43K
36 months $39K...

now compare with Prado 150 and post result :)

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Obelix said..
Thanks djl070

re: holding value
Seems like it. The new one is $56K+
18 moths later, they are $43K
36 months $39K...

now compare with Prado 150 and post result :)

At a guess, add another 10-15k.
Ok if you can afford it and justify the extra, but I don't really think you get that much extra for your buck. Not even as powerful engine.
You'd be the one getting the good deal with a 1yo truck for about 40k.
I've traveled in prados, and not trying to say anything bad about them as they clearly are a quality 4x4, but I can't see the extra $ value personally.
all personal choice and budget I think.

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dave.h said..
At a guess, add another 10-15k.

maybe dont guess.

my uncle just sold his 2 year old diesel GXL with 60,000kms (about to require 60k service and new tyres) ... cost him $8k to trade it in and get a new one at the toyota dealer, so $4k/yr depreciation ... very good on a $60k car.

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The V8 petrol cost would be high, but the overall cost of ownership is likely to be lower.
And I don't drive much anyway.
Still, do Landcruisers keep the value...

As a friend said when I was in your position, working out between diesel and petrol... "Pay at the pump or pay at the garage".

I don't drive much so went for the pay at the pump option.

Someone somewhere worked out the total cost of ownership between a petrol and diesel landcruiser, and at 300,000 kms they were exactly the same. I'm trying to find the article now and will post it if I can find it.

The diesel off road and particularly steep off road descending/climbing is a better option - its more than just comparative costs - thats why they use a 5.0l v8 petrol to almost do the same job and get the torque of a3 l turbo diesel

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russh said..
The diesel off road and particularly steep off road descending/climbing is a better option - its more than just comparative costs - thats why they use a 5.0l v8 petrol to almost do the same job and get the torque of a3 l turbo diesel

landcruiser 200

petrol = 4.6L
diesel = 4.5L

http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-200/features/car-performance/v8-turbo-diesel

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russh said..
The diesel off road and particularly steep off road descending/climbing is a better option - its more than just comparative costs - thats why they use a 5.0l v8 petrol to almost do the same job and get the torque of a3 l turbo diesel

landcruiser 200

petrol = 4.6L
diesel = 4.5L

http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-200/features/car-performance/v8-turbo-diesel

Yep From the above website:
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Torque is what you need for when you're towing heavy loads or driving in off road situations. The LandCruiser 200 comes with massive amounts of it - the 4.6L V8 petrol engine (not available on GX) delivers an awesome 439Nm at 3400rpm and the V8 Turbo-diesel puts out a jaw dropping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm. Both engines are available with 6-speed transmission for excellent performance, efficiency and drivability.

Many of the 3l turbo diesels will give you equivalent torque to the petrols - I'm talking abou crew retro fitting V8's

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russh said..

wind012 said..

russh said..
The diesel off road and particularly steep off road descending/climbing is a better option - its more than just comparative costs - thats why they use a 5.0l v8 petrol to almost do the same job and get the torque of a3 l turbo diesel

landcruiser 200

petrol = 4.6L
diesel = 4.5L

http://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-200/features/car-performance/v8-turbo-diesel

Yep From the above website:
Quote:
Torque is what you need for when you're towing heavy loads or driving in off road situations. The LandCruiser 200 comes with massive amounts of it - the 4.6L V8 petrol engine (not available on GX) delivers an awesome 439Nm at 3400rpm and the V8 Turbo-diesel puts out a jaw dropping 650Nm at 1600-2600rpm. Both engines are available with 6-speed transmission for excellent performance, efficiency and drivability.

Many of the 3l turbo diesels will give you equivalent torque to the petrols - I'm talking abou crew retro fitting V8's

Engine torque is only of interest to folks who don't change gears, for everyone else power is all that matters.

"Engine torque is only of interest to folks who don't change gears, for everyone else power is all that matters"


Yep - off road low range steep hill climbing and sand driving are perfect examples

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russh said..
"Engine torque is only of interest to folks who don't change gears, for everyone else power is all that matters"


Yep - off road low range steep hill climbing and sand driving are perfect examples

My old Pajero Diesel (2.5 TD) towed a dinghy without any effort. And it would tow it in 5th at 40kmh in fifth.
Not that I like that, and I prefer to change the gear then... to 4th ?

RAV4 2.4i struggles to tow anything. Struggles unless revved hard and then it burns the clutch.

Struggles to get going in the 1st gear without revving high (towing or not).

From 100kmh onwards, it smokes the 2.5L Diesel Pajero.
This is where the power kicks in.

My preference is for torque.
Probably just personal.

I like dirt bike thumpers. My mate prefers 2 stroke screamers.
Nothing wrong with either of them.

Yeah - I had an early 80's Landcruiser SWB 6 cyl petrol (original FJ55 edit 40) many years ago and towed a 16ft caravan up to the NW of WA then back to SA over a year and a bit

They seemed very low geared and didn't like going more than about 90/hr (Towing or by itself) and it always seemed to need max revs in the sand (got stuck a few times heading over to Turtles ) - I'm sure the razor blade split rims didn't help - and must say I didnt have a compressor or any recovery gear back then other than a shovel (was a long drive to Carnarvon to pump up the tyres)

Cancel the debate. I've just found a reason why the FJ Cruiser will be the best vehicle.

Seems it comes with an on-the-fly automatic wheel changing system. At least, the Middle East version does.
www.chonday.com/16141/sauditire2/

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MikeyS said..
Cancel the debate. I've just found a reason why the FJ Cruiser will be the best vehicle.

Seems it comes with an on-the-fly automatic wheel changing system. At least, the Middle East version does.
www.chonday.com/16141/sauditire2/

Insane
It's so practical, I'm getting one