I'm looking at simmer sails and was hoping i could get some comments and feedback.

i'm interested in comparing of the apex with the icon and the vmax with the enduro.

thx

I have started using the simmer race sails, the quality, the finish are great. Light and strong, love them.

It all depends on what size sails, conditions and what you want from a sail. I recently got a 5.9 and 5.4 enduro as cross over sails for medium wind foiling and bay blasting bump and jump conditions for which they have worked really well. The apex looks very similar and probably has a slightly higher cut in the foot as it is a wave sail. If you are looking at smaller sizes the icon would be great for onshore bump and jump and a great allround wave sail. At the other end of the spectrum if you are looking at the v max you should also consider the 2XC. I have these for foiling from 6.5 to 7.8. The 6.5 is probably my most used sail this season as it is also great to throw on a slalom board for a lazy after work blast rather than a full on session with the race sails.
Hope this helps a bit.

thanks guys for the comments.

i had a look at an new apex and used icon yesterday. but only saw the icon rigged.

i'm still swinging either way with the vmax and enduro. Am looking at 7+ size for flat water in light winds.
the other sails like the apex/icon/blacktip would be bump and jump and then pure wave in the smaller sizes.

how are you guys finding mast compatibility. everyone i know using simmer tells me they work on all constant curve masts. powerex, ka , unifibre etc.

At 7+ and flat conditions go the v max. It will give more stability than the enduru and be faster. I would still highly recommend the 2XC. Light, fast and stable and rotate so easy. I rig my 7.8 on a 460 ezzy rdm and it rigs perfectly and have rigged the 6.5 on a tushy 430 sdm with no issues.

Hi Gestalt

Yes all the Simmer Style sails are all Constant Curve.
They have been for many years and will continue to be.
All Simmer mast is constant curve (no big surprise :) )

The good thing is that you can use older Simmer masts just as fine in new sails / or newer mast in older Simmer sails..
Keep it simple :)

For the sails and what I can understand you are after, then like Roger all ready mentioned. Then for the bigger sails the Vmax is the go. (from 6.6 and up).

Enduro is a mix between wave and freeride. I used my 5.9 yesterday for a blast and they are amazingly fast / stable and lots of fun.
If you are 'just'doing Jump and Bump then consider following options.
5.4, 5.9, 6.5

If you want the full wave style sails in the smaller sizes , then Blacktip or Icon.
Icon is closer to the Enduro style sail and blacktip is the 4 batten powersail

Hope the above helped a bit.

Jesper are the SCS and SCR able to be used with RDM masts? Asking about sizes from 7m down. Cheers

Im using rdm cams in my SCR sails morts. 6.3 and down to 5.4 haven't tried in the 7 but should be ok. Jesper has the rdm cams unless i got them all.

Thanks Swindy

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Gestalt said..
how are you guys finding mast compatibility. everyone i know using simmer tells me they work on all constant curve masts. powerex, ka , unifibre etc.

Gestalt
I'm using a 7.1 2xc on a NP full carbon mast and it rigs and sails well despite the NP masts not being constant curve as I understand it?

I have now had quite a bit more time on the 2xc than my initial review and as far as great value for $$s go you can't go wrong. Cam rotation in gybes is amazing and sail is nice and light-

I have of late been spending a bit of time to tune ie downhaul/ outhaul and adjust harness lines as in the strong gusty conditions we've been having lately I was finding the sail isn't as stable in higher wind as my previous NP hellcats despite the cams BUT recent 10mm backward shift of harness lines made a huge improvement in this area and has significantly improved the comfort level. In lighter wind the sail shines !

Adam

thanks for all of the advice so far.

very valuable stuff.

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morts said..
Jesper are the SCS and SCR able to be used with RDM masts? Asking about sizes from 7m down. Cheers

Hi Morts

Like Swindy said, then yes you can easily use the RDM cambers on the SCR / SCS or 2XC if you want.
It is very simple to change over to the RDM cambers if required, and normally no extra spacers is needed (as the RDM cambers are longer)

Also for the 2XC twin cam they already comes with an extra RDM camber (top camber is a RDM for SDM or RDM mast already, so you just need to change the bottom one if needed)

Thanks Jesper

Simmer is finally getting some recognition in WA now. I see them everywhere. 15 years ago when I moved here, there were none. Its been a good push from passionate people.

so today i picked up a 6.2m 2018 apex and rdm10 mast plus carbon extension.

Went straight to the beach but the wind died.... lol. i went with the apex over the enduro because of the xlpy and the wave focus for when i occasionally take it in the surf.

my previous 6.4m bump and jump sail i always wished had a little more wave bias so i could throw it around more. so in the case of the simmers i went for the apex over the enduro.

i rigged it when i got home, it rigs very easily. the mast slips in and out no problems. huge draft too. looks very powerful. i really like the shape and graphics. i can't wait to give it a run.

next will be a 7.2m Vmax

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Sail Repair WA said..

morts said..
Jesper are the SCS and SCR able to be used with RDM masts? Asking about sizes from 7m down. Cheers

Hi Morts

Like Swindy said, then yes you can easily use the RDM cambers on the SCR / SCS or 2XC if you want.
It is very simple to change over to the RDM cambers if required, and normally no extra spacers is needed (as the RDM cambers are longer)

Also for the 2XC twin cam they already comes with an extra RDM camber (top camber is a RDM for SDM or RDM mast already, so you just need to change the bottom one if needed)

Hi Jesper,

Just switched to Simmer Sails from KA and got my new SCR's and i see you mentioned it was okay to use RDM masts in the smaller SCR's

I used to use RDM cams in my KA Koncept's 5.0m to 6.6m and i want to try RDM masts in my 5.4 & 6.3 SCR's as i did prefer RDM masts over SDM masts in the smaller Koncept's

What i was wondering is are the Simmer RDM cams similar to the KA RDM cams? because i still have some of my KA RDM cams that i can use and would they work okay on Simmer SCR's?

Alastair

Hi Alastair

Great to hear you are on the Simmer Sails. :)
You will be blown away with how easy and fast they are to use.

For the RDM cambers. Yes they are the same spec as the KA ones.
So no problem to use your old RDM cams for the Simmer.

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Sail Repair WA said..
Hi Alastair

Great to hear you are on the Simmer Sails. :)
You will be blown away with how easy and fast they are to use.

For the RDM cambers. Yes they are the same spec as the KA ones.
So no problem to use your old RDM cams for the Simmer.

Hi Jesper,

Thanks for the quick reply and that's great to hear the cams are the same.

The sails look amazing and i can't wait to get them wet

Alastair

i'm switching from KA to simmer as well.

i'll look to replace a 5.3 kaos soonish. it's probably my favourite ka sail. i think it's around 2010 era. it's light and powers on and off very smoothly and has a great shape. i'm not sure i really want to sell it.

looking at the simmer wave sails the 5.6m blacktip will rig on the 430 mast i just bought. if i get an icon i'll need to use a 400 mast for the 5.6m. i've got a CC mast but would prefer a one mast quiver if i can because of travel so i'm leaning towards the blacktip.

i'm keen to hear any comparisons between the icon and blacktip 5.6m size

second session on the apex 6.2m today.

have now ordered a 7.2m Vmax and 5.6m blacktip..... that will give me from 7.2m to 5.6m on one mast a 430 rdm. great stuff.

I loved my old Icon... regret selling it. One of the more powerful wave sails I've had but it always felt... 'relaxed'

yeah you nailed the feel. powerful but relaxed.

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Gestalt said..
so today i picked up a 6.2m 2018 apex and rdm10 mast plus carbon extension.

Went straight to the beach but the wind died.... lol. i went with the apex over the enduro because of the xlpy and the wave focus for when i occasionally take it in the surf.

my previous 6.4m bump and jump sail i always wished had a little more wave bias so i could throw it around more. so in the case of the simmers i went for the apex over the enduro.

i rigged it when i got home, it rigs very easily. the mast slips in and out no problems. huge draft too. looks very powerful. i really like the shape and graphics. i can't wait to give it a run.

next will be a 7.2m Vmax

Wow, that looks like a beautiful set up, nice one !

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shoodbegood said..

Gestalt said..
so today i picked up a 6.2m 2018 apex and rdm10 mast plus carbon extension.

Went straight to the beach but the wind died.... lol. i went with the apex over the enduro because of the xlpy and the wave focus for when i occasionally take it in the surf.

my previous 6.4m bump and jump sail i always wished had a little more wave bias so i could throw it around more. so in the case of the simmers i went for the apex over the enduro.

i rigged it when i got home, it rigs very easily. the mast slips in and out no problems. huge draft too. looks very powerful. i really like the shape and graphics. i can't wait to give it a run.

next will be a 7.2m Vmax

Wow, that looks like a beautiful set up, nice one !

i'm pretty happy with the graphics. seems to match my board too.

the blacktip i ordered is blue and the vmax orange. both 2018 as well.

Cant go wrong with the 7.2m Vmax.

Photo of the Apex , the upper sail is in the sun, can't see it properly.My guess is a little 1cm , more downhaul.
if that's what your asking.

i had a 5.0 Icon, it felt it was a nice combination of power and release. Not sure, what Simmer calls it but to me a power wave. It did have 5 battens, in that size I'm into 4 .

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forceten said..
Photo of the Apex , the upper sail is in the sun, can't see it properly.My guess is a little 1cm , more downhaul.
if that's what your asking.

i had a 5.0 Icon, it felt it was a nice combination of power and release. Not sure, what Simmer calls it but to me a power wave. It did have 5 battens, in that size I'm into 4 .

the blacktip has 4 battens and the tricera 3 battens so plenty of choice. I went for the blacktip because the 5.6 rigs on a,430. Otherwise id probably got an icon. I could get an icon a little cheaper because it was in stock. I prefer a one mast quiver for when i travel. Being able to go from lightwind freeride to med wind wave all with one board is a great outcome for me and camping trips away.

ill try more downhaul and see what happens. In the photo it already has a fair amount but always keen yo tweak and see what happens.

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forceten said..
Photo of the Apex , the upper sail is in the sun, can't see it properly.My guess is a little 1cm , more downhaul.
if that's what your asking.

Second that advice on the downhaul. My experience with Simmer is that they feel heavy in the hands without enough downhaul.

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philn said..

forceten said..
Photo of the Apex , the upper sail is in the sun, can't see it properly.My guess is a little 1cm , more downhaul.
if that's what your asking.

Second that advice on the downhaul. My experience with Simmer is that they feel heavy in the hands without enough downhaul.

yeah seems to be my finding so far as well.

I put an initial review in the gear review forum.

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Gestalt said..
second session on the apex 6.2m today.

have now ordered a 7.2m Vmax and 5.6m blacktip..... that will give me from 7.2m to 5.6m on one mast a 430 rdm. great stuff.

Hi

New to this forum. Having the same considerations as you. Looking for a 7,0-7,2 sail for light wind (flattish) coastal sailing. Please let me know your experience with the VMax. Im a little surprised no one is mentioning what board the sail is to match.
My use will be on a 109L kode Freewave (3-strap setup) and Im more or less fixed on the Enduro freemove sail or similar.

I guess the freemove-like Enduro have a higher - and more forward - centre of effort (better for 3-strap setup I suppose) while the freerace VMax would be lower and more in the middle (putting more pressure on the board and need to be sailed more from the fin -> outboard straps)?

Please let me know your thoughts?
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