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LeeD said..
Joey Valera made his 1st triple at Half Moon Bay on his first windsurf board, within 9 months of his very first day. 9'6" Seatrend poly, maybe 90 liters....very thin tail.
Rewarded himself with the new then Sunset.
His quad was at Lake Lopez maybe 6 months later.
He could only duckjibe at Jalama.

Nobody has ever attempted a quad loop.

Boujmaa's triple nearly killed himself:
Koster - whom is probably the best looper of all time:

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mathew said..

LeeD said..
Another guy I know did a quad flip duckie before he ever made a regular jibe. He started ducking only within 3 days of his 1st time ever on a windsurf board. Needless to say, he progressed to double ducks, then triples by his second year.

No one has ever done a "quad flip duckie" ... there are about 3 or so people whom have ever even attempted a triple rotation.... Koster, Campello, Guiloul, etc.

Wouldn't a quad flip duckie be a downwind zig zag doing 4 duck gybes? ie 4 rig flips, not board rotations

PS I'm only a spectator at this thread. Here to watch the lone Yank take on all ozzy comers

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Mr Milk said..

PS I'm only a spectator at this thread. Here to watch the lone Yank take on all ozzy comers

Me too. He's doing pretty well despite what the Ozzy sledgers throw at him. Do you think there's always a little bit of truth in his one liners?

I thought a quad duckie might be something you do on a board with four fins?

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LeeD said..
Mathew, I know a sailor who has sailed Backyards and the channel outside of Diamond head who has never tried to uphaul ever.
And one of them regularly windsurfe from Kahala to view Molokai 20 miles away, and he cannot jibe at all, but jumpjibes fine.
- You just haven't seen that many sailors in your life.
Another guy I know did a quad flip duckie before he ever made a regular jibe. He started ducking only within 3 days of his 1st time ever on a windsurf board. Needless to say, he progressed to double ducks, then triples by his second year.

What are those moves? the ones I bolded.

Mr. Milk got it.
Quad duck is 4 duck flips within one long slow carving jibe. That would be fall, 1984.

^^^And the earlier line about people learning to loop before they can gybe was a tongue in cheek comment about catapults, right?
After all, you didn't say successfully learn loops

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Mr Milk said..

mathew said..

LeeD said..
Another guy I know did a quad flip duckie before he ever made a regular jibe. He started ducking only within 3 days of his 1st time ever on a windsurf board. Needless to say, he progressed to double ducks, then triples by his second year.

No one has ever done a "quad flip duckie" ... there are about 3 or so people whom have ever even attempted a triple rotation.... Koster, Campello, Guiloul, etc.

Wouldn't a quad flip duckie be a downwind zig zag doing 4 duck gybes? ie 4 rig flips, not board rotations

PS I'm only a spectator at this thread. Here to watch the lone Yank take on all ozzy comers

The context of the hijacked-thread was that a forward-loop can be learnt before a gybe - therefore the board-rotation *is* part of the discussion of complexity... adding a flip, duckie or whatever, thus adds even more complexity.

And it is a real move - its called a Chachoo (or Air Chachoo):
... I think do a double Chachoo has been done, but I couldn't find an example.

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LeeD said..
Mr. Milk got it.
Quad duck is 4 duck flips within one long slow carving jibe. That would be fall, 1984.

BFD.... get on a long board and then do 15 duck's on a very slow carving gybe.

In 1984'ish, a windsurfing sail was attached to a door, just to prove it could sailed... does that mean forward-loops can be learnt before a gybe ?

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mathew said..

Mr Milk said..


Wouldn't a quad flip duckie be a downwind zig zag doing 4 duck gybes? ie 4 rig flips, not board rotations

PS I'm only a spectator at this thread. Here to watch the lone Yank take on all ozzy comers

The context of the hijacked-thread was that a forward-loop can be learnt before a gybe - therefore the board-rotation *is* part of the discussion of complexity... adding a flip, duckie or whatever, thus adds even more complexity.

You hijacked it. Maybe LeeD should have been using sarcastica font, but I think he was joking.
Only he knows what he meant

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Mr Milk said..

mathew said..

The context of the hijacked-thread was that a forward-loop can be learnt before a gybe - therefore the board-rotation *is* part of the discussion of complexity... adding a flip, duckie or whatever, thus adds even more complexity.

You hijacked it. Maybe LeeD should have been using sarcastica font, but I think he was joking.
Only he knows what he meant

Yes. I did.

This forum ends up in Google searches - thus people use it as a reference for info. Given he has made so many false statements (such as the recent waveboard-thread) -> the absurdity of LeeD's statement re looping, should be struck-down because most of those statements are patently wrong (and some are possibly dangerous).... people shouldn't be using them as a reference.

Here's the deal - if you write something that is vaguely correct, then awesome.... if what is written is about 100% wrong, be ready to be hounded.

Sure, LeeD often makes somewhat curious statements. The "loop before jibe" is not one of them. It all depends on where you sail. On a nice flat water spot in Oz, not planing out of a jibe is hard. At many choppy spots in the US, even very good sailors don't plane out all the time, and intermediate sailors almost never. I've done plenty of 3 to 5-day camps, and if someone learns the planing jibe in 2-3 days, it's a big exception. Even then, it's just making it dry and a with a bit of speed, but not planing out.

On the other hand, I have seen at least one guy do a forward loop in moderate chop the first day he tried. I know another kid who loops but can't plane through jibes.

That LeeD was talking about some kind of duck jibe variation when he said "quad flip duckie" was quite obvious. There's plenty of people who think that planing out of a duck jibe is easier than planing out of a step jibe. Duck jibes are pretty similar to loops here: a bit easier to learn than the step jibe, but much more spectacular crashes .