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gavnwend said..
I like to see what weight the wase sails will be, constant curve l hope.anyone got any raw pics.

Here it is,

more info on the main site northwindsurfing.com/products/north-wave#technology

I'm happy to pay the freight BTW.

Shame about that 5.8, knocking off 2-4cm of luff and have it work on 400 would have been nice

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Mark _australia said..
I'm happy to pay the freight BTW.

Shame about that 5.8, knocking off 2-4cm of luff and have it work on 400 would have been nice

Hi Mark,

At this stage I only have a 4.2 wave with a 370 ultimate mast in demo.

I know you said it's to small for you but may be on a windy day?

anyway send me a DM and we'll try to sort something out for you.

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Kitekeeper said..

gavnwend said..
I like to see what weight the wase sails will be, constant curve l hope.anyone got any raw pics.

Here it is,

more info on the main site northwindsurfing.com/products/north-wave#technology

Hi KiteKeeper
3.5 battens on that 4.7. A lot of sails that size have 4 or 5 battens. Is the reduction in battens (and weight) possible due to shape created by the 3di construction process?

Thanks for the info.

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MrA said..
A question for those who have seen this technology on yachts etc
Will it roll into a bag ok?
will it be susceptible to damage more than a normal sail if something is put on top of the rolled sail?
or is it better than a Mylar and batten sail in that regard?

I know little to nothing about modern sail construction, but the color and texture of the material used for grey sail material looks almost identical to the leech reinforcement material that Phantom uses on their X and R foil sails, dubbed "Lite skin". Wonder if they're somehow related? Would love for someone to correct me on this.

Hopefully North distributes well enough, though the foil sails are probably not going to be available to most people till halfway through 2023.

Niichts, Liteskin is a sailcloth made in rolls by Dimension Polyant.
3Di is a carbon tissue layering process using very thin ply's to achieve strength.
This video shows the 3Di process

Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad

Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???

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mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad

Can't use the name Warp it is owned by Duotone.

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DarrylG said..
Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???

If the join there allows you to tension the batten separately from the camber inside the luff sleeve it's a damn good idea
a bit like the old Severne reflex system but moved forward

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Ben1973 said..

DarrylG said..
Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???

If the join there allows you to tension the batten separately from the camber inside the luff sleeve it's a damn good idea
a bit like the old Severne reflex system but moved forward

Does anyone know what the "Air camber" is about? sounds like an inflatable camber, but little details have been released that I have seen.

One comment on that proto, looks like its going to kill someone, there is very very little visibility, i have duotone warps at the moment, they are bad enough but this would be out and out dangerous the blindspot forward and to leeward is way to big, wing dings would be getting mowed down left right and center

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cald said..
wing dings would be getting mowed down left right and center

I guess what goes around comes around... that's my experience with most Wing Dingers at the moment... don't look down wind, don't look over your shoulder before you jump or jibe, don't look full stop. I guess just replicates the behaviour you see on the roads.

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cald said..

Ben1973 said..

DarrylG said..
Interesting cambers. batten with a join in luff???

If the join there allows you to tension the batten separately from the camber inside the luff sleeve it's a damn good idea
a bit like the old Severne reflex system but moved forward

Does anyone know what the "Air camber" is about? sounds like an inflatable camber, but little details have been released that I have seen.

One comment on that proto, looks like its going to kill someone, there is very very little visibility, i have duotone warps at the moment, they are bad enough but this would be out and out dangerous the blindspot forward and to leeward is way to big, wing dings would be getting mowed down left right and center

If you see that hammering your way, get outta the way, looks so stealthy

Incredible technology Jethro!!!! You guys doing stuff like that at Mona Vale??

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ka43 said..
Incredible technology Jethro!!!! You guys doing stuff like that at Mona Vale??

I've been out of the industry for many years, but I still dig the technology...

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mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad

thanks for sharing!

but it'll likely just be called "RACE" or some-such. looking forward to the "official" reveal some months away still.

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mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad

We had the chance to see the Foil proto in our latest meeting in Portugal but was too windy to give it a go!
To answer few questions:
- Batten has a joint close the mast are, then split in 2 separate battens to accommodate the deep profile.
- Air cam - Camber is very small (just up to the 3rd batten) does not need to be removed each time but can be removed relatively easy, it needs 2 pumps to be inflated as it very small volume. The camber transition is very smooth.
- The profile achieved with the air cam is more similar to an airplane wing (bit fuller on the inside of the sail), demonstrating superior capabilities during the wind tunnel trials, as said I have not tried in person.
- Crazy light for an 8m, I'd say around 4.5KG

I am torn between thinking great to see someone else pushing tech into new directions and wondering what happens when anything on those sails breaks.

It's hard enough finding a quality repair place for current membrane sails. Can't imagine how hard it will be to find someone that can replace a broken batten or torn sail. Maybe they have a plan for that. On the web site far is just says "a repair kit will be available in future".

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stehsegler said..
I am torn

Nice pun...

will be interesting to see - but I imagine patching whilst the sail shape is supported on a curve....?

in a vid i saw online i think they said you can patch the sails like you patch a board because the sails are fibre and resin. not reallly sure what that means.

in a few years, once my sails wear out i might switch to north.

^^^ Yeah someone will start doing that and then be told by the yanks a bog is just as good hahahahaha

Spackle!!!!

lol.

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Mark _australia said..
^^^ Yeah someone will start doing that and then be told by the yanks a bog is just as good hahahahaha

Spackle!!!!

C'mon, man. JB Weld or nothing.

(Yank - singular. The rest of us were quietly reading and taking notes. )

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I am torn between thinking great to see someone else pushing tech into new directions and wondering what happens when anything on those sails breaks.

It's hard enough finding a quality repair place for current membrane sails. Can't imagine how hard it will be to find someone that can replace a broken batten or torn sail. Maybe they have a plan for that. On the web site far is just says "a repair kit will be available in future".

Rumors are that repair these sails is even easier than a normal sails, as it can be done in your garage with no sewing machine.

The sails will come with a repair kite that contains the 3di material on a tape and a specific glue, combining the 2 will create a fix very similar to an "epoxy patch" on your surfboard.

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mark62 said..
Return of the NS warp? Picture taken from windsurfing.nl. A Dutch guy is testing them, lucky lad

Extra windows

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Kitekeeper said..
Rumors are that repair these sails is even easier than a normal sails, as it can be done in your garage with no sewing machine.

My backyard-off-the-cuff-randomised-button-generation-estimate would be >50% of sail-repairs simply need "sticky back' - no sewing machine necessary. That is because most sails only tear/split a single panel, so a patch is all you need. Which appears to be exactly as you described for these. So "even easier" needs some salt-grains applied.

Conversely any sail repair that goes through a seam - be they stitched, glued, epoxied, whatever - will need a professional'ish repair. For example, that ^^ sail still has battens, so a tear/split running through those batten-pockets needs to be suitably 3D-formed -> stitched sails dont patch all that well (or at all, because dacron is a bas'ted)... so a batten-pocket which could be epoxy-patched, might be a win **.

** not yet confirmed - I'd like to see demo of said batten-epoxy-patching, otherwise its just speculation.

When do the race sails land in Oz? Like the shape & l recon they would twist off nicely.
Plus l can now do my own repairs, with that boggy stuff l have read on this thread.also are the sails designed around a c.curve bordering a flex- top mast.they look awesome .just a guy who loves blasting & flying past foilers.

Maybe this video is interesting. Unfortunately in German but the translator should fix it. The masts come from Australia apparently.

That light weight really lends itself to freestyle, but the dark grey isn't flashy enough.

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Mark _australia said..
I'm happy to pay the freight BTW.

Shame about that 5.8, knocking off 2-4cm of luff and have it work on 400 would have been nice

Hi Mark,

At this stage I only have a 4.2 wave with a 370 ultimate mast in demo.

I know you said it's to small for you but may be on a windy day?

anyway send me a DM and we'll try to sort something out for you.

is there any chance of a 5.8m demo around Brisbane / Gold Coast in the future.