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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 27 Nov 2012
actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
1 Dec 2012 8:20AM
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Well barn i got to laugh because as a partially deaf man i would rather pay for physio than the $10000 that they want for hearing aids but as you guessed im still deaf after going down the chiropracter route for years for my neck so its a delemma do i save for head when the end result is i will hear **** i dont wAnt from people i dont want to listen to or spend it on windsurfing . would like to hear my kids better though most of the time im telling them to shut up . its my personal catch 22[:)

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
1 Dec 2012 10:52AM
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actiomax said...
Well barn i got to laugh because as a partially deaf man i would rather pay for physio than the $10000 that they want for hearing aids but as you guessed im still deaf after going down the chiropracter route for years for my neck so its a delemma do i save for head when the end result is i will hear **** i dont wAnt from people i dont want to listen to or spend it on windsurfing . would like to hear my kids better though most of the time im telling them to shut up . its my personal catch 22[:)


I'm losing my hearing ( hereditory). I've escaped the worst of it but I'm disapointed ..I always thought it would be great to not hear the dog next door barking etc but unfortunately it's not selective and I can't hear people when they ring my phone either..
God we do sound old don't we..

Scotty Mac
SA, 2060 posts
1 Dec 2012 11:15PM
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had the spasm thing happing regularly a few years back. has not happened for at least 2 years now. absolutely sure i have it cured with the following 3 things.

1 regular paddleboarding
2 a good chiropractor with regular 6 week visits
3 seat harness

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
2 Dec 2012 9:26AM
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Scotty Mac said...
had the spasm thing happing regularly a few years back. has not happened for at least 2 years now. absolutely sure i have it cured with the following 3 things.

1 regular paddleboarding
2 a good chiropractor with regular 6 week visits
3 seat harness


Glad to hear the seat harness works for you..I'm not real keen on trying a waist one as I've been sailing with the seat for 20years +. I'll try a few waist ones in the shop but I don't like the idea that they can ride up.
Boy I've opened a can of worms with this topic haven't I ?

Jman
VIC, 881 posts
2 Dec 2012 10:12AM
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A waist harness should not ride up only maybe after a stack, some people not all that have been using a seat for a long time have gotten into the bad habit of sitting in the harness so when they go to a waist it wants to ride up.

When using a waist keep your shoulders back and your stomach up if that makes sense.

I believe my back feels better after a sail with the waist harness but everybody is different.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
3 Dec 2012 6:53PM
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Backs feeling pretty good - Chiro says its an offshoot of my usual chronic problem but the exercises/ breathing thingy she gives me can help.
Proud new owner of a Mystic seat harness . I found someone who could explain everything better and find ways around the issues I was having opening the clip.It's a mans harness but feels pretty snug and good. Cripes talk about supportive and snug! Should make a big difference to my sailing power and comfort..
The only thing I was wondering is as its so tight / snug etc when I have a nasty stack it won't come undone like my old one used to so the stacks may be nastier..? Sometimes after a stack I'd be sailing along with the old one and then realise the spreader strap had been ripped undone as I catapulted.
Bring on the wind Wed !!

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
5 Dec 2012 9:09AM
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Beaglebuddy said...
DAM71 said...
Beaglebuddy said...
DAM71 said...
Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


Beaglebuddy, you are a fool.
Firstly there are many types of health practitioner apart from a general practitioner. Secondly, where are your numbers to prove your above point that, "people are usually disappointed by the their doctors"? What pain are you referring to, that these people want cured? Muscular or maybe intractable pain associated with bone cancer. and finally where should people gain the information to self diagnose? Google perhaps?
Mate, if you don't have anything useful to say might i suggest you say nothing.


First don't call me a fool, name calling is immature and against the rules of the forum. I have plenty of useful opinions for the forum, what have you added with this attack?
Personally I don't know of one person who was cured of back or neck pain by a medical doctor. I have heard peripherally of people who have had back pain cured by surgery but no one I know personally. I know of several people who have had back surgery that has not really helped.
I suffered from lower back pain for years, several doctors wanted to cut on me but eventually the pain went away on it's own.
The side effects from surgery such as scar tissue and adhesions often outweigh any possible benefit from the surgery itself.
When you have a pain in your back, neck, shoulder, knee etc.. you must first consult the internet and find out every possible cause and diagnosis before going to a medical Dr., you will then be educated on the subject and can ask the right questions during the 10 minutes you get with the Dr.
The Dr. has no miracle cure, he can offer pills or surgery, he will gladly cut on you if you let him so he can gain experience.
The real cure is knowledge, it's like giving all your money to a financial adviser and hoping he knows which way the markets will turn, he doesn't know, only guessing.
The Dr. is deluded with people in pain all day long and doesn't have the time to delve into the idiosyncrasies of your particular issues, just like everything else in life, that's down to you if you want it done right.



You provide advice without qualification and make claims that you cannot support.
How many people do you know that have failed to resolve their back pain? And how many of those had the same complaint and had the same treatment had a complete success? And exactly what was their injury? What is your criteria for a successful outcome? Where are your numbers coming from, you did say your experience was limited. Are you describing 2 of your friends?

And just to highlight some of the gems of advice that your have provided.

I quote
"People with sore body parts seldom get relief from doctors."
"The side effects from surgery such as scar tissue and adhesions often outweigh any possible benefit from the surgery itself."
"When you have a pain in your back, neck, shoulder, knee etc.. you must first consult the internet and find out every possible cause and diagnosis before going to a medical Dr."


So I will again state that your advice was given unwisely or imprudently, thus making it foolish. Hence my implication that you are a fool.

Now let me qualify myself. I am a physiotherapist and Exercise physiologist with 15 years of clinical experience. I treat on average 80 people per week, and approximately 60% of those have a lower back injury, and we are able to settle more than 95% of these within 4 weeks of conservative treatment. Pain relief medication plays a role, as do investigations such as X-ray, CT and MRI if required. I won't bore you with how i and my staff specifically treat, because in my 20 years experience, people such as yourself, already believe they have the answer.

I have also had and anterior lumbar interbody fusion to correct a foraminal stenosis. Oh you can google that. And for the record this procedure has a 98% success rate in resolving radicular pain.

Might I offer some unsolicited advice (albeit a little foolish), maybe all the hours you seem to spend researching on the computer is the reason you have a sore back?

But I know that my advice will mean nothing to you, so just ignore it, like I hope many ignore the rubbish advice you gave regarding health professionals and how one should go about seeking professional help.

"How many people do you know that have failed to resolve their back pain?" Pretty much everyone I know and come across every day of my life, statistics show at least 80% of the population have unresolved back pain that comes and goes.
'Pain relief medication plays a role"
Not even a medical doctor and you can prescribe medicine? what a racket, so this is where all the people hooked on Oxycontin get their fixes.
"we are able to settle more than 95% of these within 4 weeks"
Statistics show 90% of back pains resolve themselves within 2 months without treatment, how do you help people besides pushing pills and ordering up a bunch of expensive tests the State pays for? Do you have a financial interest in the local MRI clinic? Do you include people pill shopping in your cure rate?
'Now let me qualify myself. I am a physiotherapist and Exercise physiologist with 15 years of clinical experience. I treat on average 80 people per week"
Not even a medical Dr. but you have the attitude of one.
"I have also had and anterior lumbar interbody fusion to correct a foraminal stenosis." We are all so impressed with your big words, let me bow before the physiotherapist, (physical therapist)
So basically you run a pain clinic where some of the people are truly in need but a significant portion of your "patients" are actually addicts out doctor shopping for their opiate fix. Well we all have to make a living somehow.
I don't need to go in detail about all the people killed, maimed and disabled every year that trusted doctors to be in their best interest, unnecessary surgery, surgical mistakes, side effects of surgery, infections picked up in the hospital, medication errors, negative effects of drugs, overdoses, drug interactions, on and on.



Wow Beaglebuddy, not only do you give foolish advice, you can't even read and interpret information. And like any fool without knowledge of a topic, instead of having a valued point of argument, all you can do is make slanderous accusations about me and my practice.

Where in my previous post did I mention that I prescribe medication? I made mention that pain relief medication has its place, and you made up the rest.

Might I suggest next time, you should offer advice on a topic you have an idea about.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
5 Dec 2012 8:34PM
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So much for the new harness. I tried it on today and the top of the back was digging into my back. I didn't notice that in the shop so it didn't get used and I'll have to go and try & get a womans harness somewhere.
Terrific sail nuking on the 4.8n dead flat water..hero gybing .I'll rmember today as one of those days.. few whoops..I only lasted 40 mins and noticed my lower back was aching so came in.
Not sure if it's not totally healed and sailing was aggravating it or the harness is the reason I have a problem. I think I certainly need a new harness though.

ka72
QLD, 582 posts
5 Dec 2012 7:54PM
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If you are after a women's seat harness I can highly recommend the pro limits pure girl seat harness. I brought one a few years ago and love it, it is however starting to fall apart, stitching coming undone fraying so doesn't look great but still works fine. I will definitely buy another one of these its the most comfortable harness I have ever used and I have owned at least 6,and 2 of these were waist harnesses. These were ok when I was waves sailing but I got a really sore back when I used the waist harness on flat water with big sails. DONT buy a men's harness they simply don't fit our shape properly and I think that is the problem with waist harnesses, no matter the technique they would always ride up on me and end up under my armpits unless they were done up so tight that I could hardly breath,!
You can still get the pure girl steat harness I think they are around $150.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
6 Dec 2012 8:33AM
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ka72 said...
If you are after a women's seat harness I can highly recommend the pro limits pure girl seat harness. I brought one a few years ago and love it, it is however starting to fall apart, stitching coming undone fraying so doesn't look great but still works fine. I will definitely buy another one of these its the most comfortable harness I have ever used and I have owned at least 6,and 2 of these were waist harnesses. These were ok when I was waves sailing but I got a really sore back when I used the waist harness on flat water with big sails. DONT buy a men's harness they simply don't fit our shape properly and I think that is the problem with waist harnesses, no matter the technique they would always ride up on me and end up under my armpits unless they were done up so tight that I could hardly breath,!
You can still get the pure girl steat harness I think they are around $150.



Thanks. I was going to post a question for the girls to see what they use. I hope I can get access to one around here as I want to try before I buy. Theres not much choice around here.

actiomax
NSW, 1576 posts
9 Dec 2012 9:23AM
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Ive got a ladies seat harness . It was the only thing in the shop that fitted my skinny little ass I cant get nail bags to fit either i always have to take them in. Why is everything made for the obese now?

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
9 Dec 2012 10:02AM
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actiomax said...
Ive got a ladies seat harness . It was the only thing in the shop that fitted my skinny little ass I cant get nail bags to fit either i always have to take them in. Why is everything made for the obese now?



Going to Sydney to try on a heap of harness's this week. Pure girl is on the shortlist.
Tried all the local ones even bought a mans kite seat with the idea of getting the sailmaker to change the hook over to my windsurfing one + cut the back down but that was going to cost c $100 + and be a crappy job so Sydney it is..

DougT
WA, 20 posts
26 Dec 2012 11:21AM
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I rarely log posts however this was a huge personal issue for me so hopefully I can help someone else get back on the water

I can vouch for DAM 71's expertise, about 4 years ago I nearly had to give up sailing due to this very
issue, I was living in brisvegas at the time and DAM 71 took me on as a patient, i was fit but unknowinglly had developed a weak core which left me prone to back imjuries of the type you describe, I now live in WA and am sailing 2-3 times a week ( including two Simon Bornhoft course where you sail 5 - 6 hours a day !!). The key for me was core fitness, which I now work on a couple of times a week, the other is a good harness, I went through about 4 before I finally settled on the dakine t5, however it is all so personal that you just have to try and buy, the cost of a harness is not that bad !!! ( compared to not sailing ). Find a good sports physio, preferably one that wind surfs and get to the root of the issue
, DAM 71 is sports physio who has worked on a number of windsurfers ( including I believe Matt Pritchard), if I still lived in QLD I would still be seeing him for regular "back maintenance ". I come from a medical family and have always been warned off chiropractors, the one time someone cracked my back I was stuffed for weeks, I avoid them like the plague now !

Good luck

Doug

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
26 Dec 2012 4:48PM
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I've got a modern harness now and heaps better! I do core exercises for my upper back problem and also if I can sail 2 x a week cope better.Suffer if I only go once every 2 weeks or so...
I think using the bit 7.2m cambered sail 3 x in a week with the 1991 harness (not cinched up correctly either) was a big part of the problem. The new harness is SO supportive!
Glad you got your back under control. In a way it's good to have a problem as then you work at keeping fit/ core muscles etc.I am more aware of my posture too as I know as soon as I am slack in that respect I get a headache.

Eilvin
7 posts
26 Dec 2012 4:37PM
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I have also back pain issue from last year. can't sit on chair for a long time. I feel lot of pain in my back when i sit more time. I don't know about this pain. Is it due to my belly fat or it is a serious matter. Reply must. What you say about it.

Itch
VIC, 107 posts
26 Dec 2012 9:23PM
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Best thing that anyone can do for back pain is have some dorn therapy. A german lady in Avalon Sydney performed this on may back a few years ago and fixed my siatic problem for good. I always windsurf with a waist harness.

Eilvin
7 posts
29 Dec 2012 1:36PM
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Eilvin said...
I have also back pain issue from last year. can't sit on chair for a long time. I feel lot of pain in my back when i sit more time. I don't know about this pain. Is it due to my belly fat or it is a serious matter. Reply must. What you say about it.


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