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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 27 Nov 2012
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 2:13PM
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Zed said...
I may be wrong here and it does depend on your injury, but a heat pack whilst it feels good may not be the best thing for you? If you have inflammation/swelling and/or tearing of muscles etc the last thing you want is heat. You need to ice the area. But it depends what your injury is really.


Yes I realise that. I have been using cold packs but at 3am I was trying to ease the pain and avoid the painkillers ( been on a lot lately ) and gave in to the heat pack....As you say I'm not sure thats a good idea at the moment as I think it encourages the blood to go to that area which makes imflammation worse..?? Still it felt b good..Tempted to give in to one now..

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
28 Nov 2012 3:47PM
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Sue, been thru this as have so many people, don't give up windsurfing whatever you do.
1. Stretch the hammies, lay on your back and loop a belt around your foot and pull it until you can grab your foot with your hand.
2. Ice or heat whichever works best
3. Get to a gym and work the whole body regularly, especially the abs and midsection.

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
28 Nov 2012 8:36PM
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sboardcrazy said...
Nimrod said...
There was a thread a few weeks ago where this was talked about.

I now use a mystic warrior for sailing and kiting.

I sail in a few different countries and use a lot of hire gear so I've tried out several brands.

I think mystic are making the best harness ATM


I tried to find it but can't. Anyone find that thread? I don't have much success with searches..


Hi Sue, this was the thread.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=104722

Fully agree with what the others are saying about the mystic. Have you had a look at their website? http://www.mysticboarding.com/products/ They do a range for female windsurfing. I like the look of the star kite seat. It goes up the back a long way and I think with that one you can undo the seat straps and use it as a waist if you hit the waves. My son does this with his Mystic but I can't remember what model his is.

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
28 Nov 2012 10:46PM
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Why are you asking advice on a windsport forum, instead of seeking professional advice? You claim to be doing exercises, and they are flaring things up. I would suggest you return to the health practitioner that prescribed these, and get reviewed. If you picked these up from the Internet, or via word of mouth, then might I suggest you seek professional advice, either a physio or musculoskeletal physician, or your GP if he/she has a good musculoskeletal background.

Forums are a great way to maybe review product, technique and the usual rubbish, but be very wary of seeking any health advice. I'm sure many have great intentions, but without qualification of their advice it's about as useful as tits on a bull. For instance the first piece of advice you received was to take krill oil, which is considered a natural anti inflammatory. Did you know it also thins your blood, and if you happen to be taking blood pressure medication, it can really screw with you? Is it really good advice now, even though it was given with good intention, most likely by someone who has no knowledge of how it works, and what the side effects can be.

There are to many variables to consider, so my advice, is to go and get it looked at. Once it is better, then come back and ask advice about which harnesses to people who have back complaints use.

By the way I'm a trained physiotherapist who unlike r2908's post, does not perform hippie **** treatment. And I suspect, may have never consulted a proper physio, but some form of massage therapist, who would not have the appropriate knowledge to assess and diagnose properly. Good luck, and I wish you a speedy recovery.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
29 Nov 2012 4:59AM
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In my experience health care professionals have rarely been of any help for anything really.
People with sore body parts seldom get relief from doctors. They keep going back for years and go from Dr. to Dr. and they are the same or worse.
In my experience one has to figure out for ones self what exactly the problem is and what one can do to help it. It usually comes down to overall fitness, specific exercises, stretching (yoga), posture, weight loss, ice/heat/massage, traction (hanging upside down) and in my case a TENS machine which gives electric stimulation when the pain is so bad I can't sleep.
Doctors have only helped me in two cases over the years, they discovered thu regular blood tests that I have Hashimoto's disease (autoimmune under active thyroid) and a cortisone injection cured a specific wrist problem which I actually diagnosed myself.
As the saying goes, if you want it fixed right you have to do it yourself.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
29 Nov 2012 9:15AM
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DAM71 said...
Why are you asking advice on a windsport forum, instead of seeking professional advice? You claim to be doing exercises, and they are flaring things up. I would suggest you return to the health practitioner that prescribed these, and get reviewed. If you picked these up from the Internet, or via word of mouth, then might I suggest you seek professional advice, either a physio or musculoskeletal physician, or your GP if he/she has a good musculoskeletal background.

Forums are a great way to maybe review product, technique and the usual rubbish, but be very wary of seeking any health advice. I'm sure many have great intentions, but without qualification of their advice it's about as useful as tits on a bull. For instance the first piece of advice you received was to take krill oil, which is considered a natural anti inflammatory. Did you know it also thins your blood, and if you happen to be taking blood pressure medication, it can really screw with you? Is it really good advice now, even though it was given with good intention, most likely by someone who has no knowledge of how it works, and what the side effects can be.

There are to many variables to consider, so my advice, is to go and get it looked at. Once it is better, then come back and ask advice about which harnesses to people who have back complaints use.

By the way I'm a trained physiotherapist who unlike r2908's post, does not perform hippie **** treatment. And I suspect, may have never consulted a proper physio, but some form of massage therapist, who would not have the appropriate knowledge to assess and diagnose properly. Good luck, and I wish you a speedy recovery.



Thanks.Seeing the chiro on Mon.I posted mainly to see if its a common problem with sailors and what people do to cope.
I've learnt a lot about managing upper back complaints in the last 8 years just got to learn about lower ones now.
Beaglebuddy - I never liked chiros but my partner used to work as a massage therapist for the one I now go to and I hate to think where I would be now without her management exercises etc.She does more manipulation / pressure points on me and rarely cracks anything although when she does I certainly notice an improvement.
She also encourages me to be as fit as I can be doing core exercises/stretches , horseriding for posture( not at the moment), sailboarding etc.I know if I gave sailboarding away I'd be in a lot more trouble with my upper back as it builds me up ,keeps me fit and keeps the weight off.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
29 Nov 2012 7:42AM
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If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
29 Nov 2012 10:53AM
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Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


I had glandular fever once years ago .I went to the Dr and he said it will take about 3 months to fix go home and rest. I was at the point of lying on the back verandah unable to feed myself. I went to a herbalist and she got me going again in 3 weeks! ( I was pretty fit in those days though).
Ps - re kiter harness hooks I read the earlier post and they sound a bit iffy for windsurfing. Can you just buy a sailboard spreader bar and replace the kiter one with that?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
29 Nov 2012 9:42AM
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Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


This is not how medicine decides if a treatment works. Often people are relieved of a pain and attribute the 'cure' to all sorts of quackery. Can only accept what has been proven in double blind trials, otherwise you're just searching randomly for a placebo. Unfortunately too many people do this (eventually ending up with rhino horns and tiger balls)


'I had a runny nose, and after two weeks of acupuncture on my ass, my nose stopped running, acupuncture worked'

'I was feeling tired so I took a dose of Homeopathic bee farts, and now I'm wide awake, I love Homeopathy and highly recommend it '


We have bad backs because we walk on two legs, with a spine built for walking on all fours. Often there is no cure for pain, just liek there's no cure for old age. Enter the Chiropractor who can suck money out of long suffering patients. Almost like the snake oil salesman visiting terminally ill grandmothers..

The founder of chiropractic treatments, DD Palmer, claimed to have cured a partially deaf man with chiropractic adjustments.. That alone should have the alarm bells ringing..

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
29 Nov 2012 11:48AM
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Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


Beaglebuddy, you are a fool.
Firstly there are many types of health practitioner apart from a general practitioner. Secondly, where are your numbers to prove your above point that, "people are usually disappointed by the their doctors"? What pain are you referring to, that these people want cured? Muscular or maybe intractable pain associated with bone cancer. and finally where should people gain the information to self diagnose? Google perhaps?
Mate, if you don't have anything useful to say might i suggest you say nothing.

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
29 Nov 2012 3:11PM
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I too have had muscle spasms in the past, did all the usual stuff recomended by GP and physio untill recently when it was so bad I couldn't move out of bed, finally I got a CRT and low and behold it was 2 discs bulging into my nerves. The muscle spasms were being caused by the discs. Wish I had of got the CT scan long ago....

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
29 Nov 2012 5:13PM
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slammin said...
I too have had muscle spasms in the past, did all the usual stuff recomended by GP and physio untill recently when it was so bad I couldn't move out of bed, finally I got a CRT and low and behold it was 2 discs bulging into my nerves. The muscle spasms were being caused by the discs. Wish I had of got the CT scan long ago....


So how do you manage it?
Cripes I hope mine isn't that although mine seems to be easing a bit now.

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
29 Nov 2012 4:37PM
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Advice was 2 weeks off work don't lie down too much, no lifting, minimise driving, no bending, no sitting, sleep on my back. That kind of only leaves standing around...... Then return to work on 1/2 days for 1st week and increasing an hour week by week. Next week I am back on full time. At that stage I can start doing physio.

I found the pain ridiculous in the 1st week. Just farting was enough to make me feel dizzy. I prayed not to sneeze. The pain calmed down in the 2nd week. My pain med's was codeine and ibuprofen and beer/wine. This was all washed down with lots and lots of water. I only used that for the 1st week. The alcohol is not recommended by my Dr. My Dr did offer me stronger med's but I didn't like the idea of being a repeat customer.

The hardest part has been not overdoing it at work. Picking up my kids etc. The strangest part for me is that I'm strong and healthy. All it took was initially bending over and scrubbing my boat for a couple of hours. Subsequently just reaching into the back of the fridge was enough to have my spasms kick in.

Anyway that's my story there isn't much more the Drs can do without invasive surgery which they will only do if you are incapacitated.

My suggestion is that you see a good Dr and find out exactly what's wrong and what they recommend.

In regards to alternative therapies I will add my 2c worth. Sugar tablets have healed many many people so if that helps, fantastic. If not move on.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
29 Nov 2012 3:18PM
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barn said...
Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


This is not how medicine decides if a treatment works. Often people are relieved of a pain and attribute the 'cure' to all sorts of quackery. Can only accept what has been proven in double blind trials, otherwise you're just searching randomly for a placebo. Unfortunately too many people do this (eventually ending up with rhino horns and tiger balls)


'I had a runny nose, and after two weeks of acupuncture on my ass, my nose stopped running, acupuncture worked'

'I was feeling tired so I took a dose of Homeopathic bee farts, and now I'm wide awake, I love Homeopathy and highly recommend it '


We have bad backs because we walk on two legs, with a spine built for walking on all fours. Often there is no cure for pain, just liek there's no cure for old age. Enter the Chiropractor who can suck money out of long suffering patients. Almost like the snake oil salesman visiting terminally ill grandmothers..

The founder of chiropractic treatments, DD Palmer, claimed to have cured a partially deaf man with chiropractic adjustments.. That alone should have the alarm bells ringing..



I'll agree with all that but if something cures a pain whether it's real or psychosomatic does it really matter?

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
29 Nov 2012 3:50PM
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DAM71 said...
Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


Beaglebuddy, you are a fool.
Firstly there are many types of health practitioner apart from a general practitioner. Secondly, where are your numbers to prove your above point that, "people are usually disappointed by the their doctors"? What pain are you referring to, that these people want cured? Muscular or maybe intractable pain associated with bone cancer. and finally where should people gain the information to self diagnose? Google perhaps?
Mate, if you don't have anything useful to say might i suggest you say nothing.


First don't call me a fool, name calling is immature and against the rules of the forum. I have plenty of useful opinions for the forum, what have you added with this attack?
Personally I don't know of one person who was cured of back or neck pain by a medical doctor. I have heard peripherally of people who have had back pain cured by surgery but no one I know personally. I know of several people who have had back surgery that has not really helped.
I suffered from lower back pain for years, several doctors wanted to cut on me but eventually the pain went away on it's own.
The side effects from surgery such as scar tissue and adhesions often outweigh any possible benefit from the surgery itself.
When you have a pain in your back, neck, shoulder, knee etc.. you must first consult the internet and find out every possible cause and diagnosis before going to a medical Dr., you will then be educated on the subject and can ask the right questions during the 10 minutes you get with the Dr.
The Dr. has no miracle cure, he can offer pills or surgery, he will gladly cut on you if you let him so he can gain experience.
The real cure is knowledge, it's like giving all your money to a financial adviser and hoping he knows which way the markets will turn, he doesn't know, only guessing.
The Dr. is deluded with people in pain all day long and doesn't have the time to delve into the idiosyncrasies of your particular issues, just like everything else in life, that's down to you if you want it done right.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
29 Nov 2012 4:02PM
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Low back pain is second only to the common cold as a cause of lost days at work. It is also one of the most common reasons to visit a doctor's office or a hospital's emergency department. It is the second most common neurologic complain in the United States, second only to headache.


For 90% of people, even those with nerve root irritation, their symptoms will improve within two months no matter what treatment is used, even if no treatment is given.

If you are interested read this, http://www.consumerreports.org/health/conditions-and-treatments/back-pain/overview/back-pain.htm

Chiro and accupuncture gets better results than a medical Dr., and those things are partially quackery and psychosomatic, not really proven with double blind peer reviewed studies.
A Dr. can help you with cancer but don't expect much from pain ailments.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
29 Nov 2012 7:05PM
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slammin said...
Advice was 2 weeks off work don't lie down too much, no lifting, minimise driving, no bending, no sitting, sleep on my back. That kind of only leaves standing around...... Then return to work on 1/2 days for 1st week and increasing an hour week by week. Next week I am back on full time. At that stage I can start doing physio.

I found the pain ridiculous in the 1st week. Just farting was enough to make me feel dizzy. I prayed not to sneeze. The pain calmed down in the 2nd week. My pain med's was codeine and ibuprofen and beer/wine. This was all washed down with lots and lots of water. I only used that for the 1st week. The alcohol is not recommended by my Dr. My Dr did offer me stronger med's but I didn't like the idea of being a repeat customer.

The hardest part has been not overdoing it at work. Picking up my kids etc. The strangest part for me is that I'm strong and healthy. All it took was initially bending over and scrubbing my boat for a couple of hours. Subsequently just reaching into the back of the fridge was enough to have my spasms kick in.

Anyway that's my story there isn't much more the Drs can do without invasive surgery which they will only do if you are incapacitated.

My suggestion is that you see a good Dr and find out exactly what's wrong and what they recommend.

In regards to alternative therapies I will add my 2c worth. Sugar tablets have healed many many people so if that helps, fantastic. If not move on.



Hope you go ok when you go back to work.Good luck.

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
29 Nov 2012 7:29PM
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A chiro and accup. Etc . Will NEVER give referrals.. a orthopedic surgeon told me they kill one person a year from neck trauma . Whateva .... That's what I was told .. truth .. there s also stories of them massaging tumors in people's backs .. ha. I'm sure they work for some . But not everyone ... I'll never go back to one ... Ever.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
29 Nov 2012 7:19PM
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Beaglebuddy said...

A Dr. can help you with cancer but don't expect much from pain ailments.



So, a Doc can help with an actual problem, but if you have a boo-boo don't expect them to kiss it better..

Got it.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
30 Nov 2012 9:48AM
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r2908 said...
A chiro and accup. Etc . Will NEVER give referrals.. a orthopedic surgeon told me they kill one person a year from neck trauma . Whateva .... That's what I was told .. truth .. there s also stories of them massaging tumors in people's backs .. ha. I'm sure they work for some . But not everyone ... I'll never go back to one ... Ever.


Never is a bit extreme. My chiro hates the type of chiros who tell people they have to come back every week etc and tries to get them reported as they are giving chiros a bad name.. She often suggests/refers people to specialists.
Like any field the dodgy ones give the rest a bad name..Sounds like you have just come across dodgy ones..

ibid
NSW, 136 posts
30 Nov 2012 11:34AM
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Given that you are pretty keen on going back windsurfing once the pain lets you I would think about losing the seat harness - they are good for speed sailing but you really use a harness to relieve the load on your arms, so a waist harness with a wide contact area will support more of your back while doing the job the harness is really designed for

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
30 Nov 2012 12:15PM
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Hi Sue,

next time we meet up I'll give you a go of my chest harness. My wife bought it for me because I too have back issues. I'm probably around 80% okay after back surgery in 2009. Some days are better than others and I have fairly constant numness in my right foot. Before the operation, to cut out a ruptured disk I was pretty well stuffed.

I find the harness gives me plenty of support for my back and keeps my midriff tight and secure. So I think but am not sure, that it helps my back keep in the right shape when windsurfing.

Usually my back feels better after windsurfing than before.

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
30 Nov 2012 11:43AM
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Beaglebuddy said...
DAM71 said...
Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


Beaglebuddy, you are a fool.
Firstly there are many types of health practitioner apart from a general practitioner. Secondly, where are your numbers to prove your above point that, "people are usually disappointed by the their doctors"? What pain are you referring to, that these people want cured? Muscular or maybe intractable pain associated with bone cancer. and finally where should people gain the information to self diagnose? Google perhaps?
Mate, if you don't have anything useful to say might i suggest you say nothing.


First don't call me a fool, name calling is immature and against the rules of the forum. I have plenty of useful opinions for the forum, what have you added with this attack?
Personally I don't know of one person who was cured of back or neck pain by a medical doctor. I have heard peripherally of people who have had back pain cured by surgery but no one I know personally. I know of several people who have had back surgery that has not really helped.
I suffered from lower back pain for years, several doctors wanted to cut on me but eventually the pain went away on it's own.
The side effects from surgery such as scar tissue and adhesions often outweigh any possible benefit from the surgery itself.
When you have a pain in your back, neck, shoulder, knee etc.. you must first consult the internet and find out every possible cause and diagnosis before going to a medical Dr., you will then be educated on the subject and can ask the right questions during the 10 minutes you get with the Dr.
The Dr. has no miracle cure, he can offer pills or surgery, he will gladly cut on you if you let him so he can gain experience.
The real cure is knowledge, it's like giving all your money to a financial adviser and hoping he knows which way the markets will turn, he doesn't know, only guessing.
The Dr. is deluded with people in pain all day long and doesn't have the time to delve into the idiosyncrasies of your particular issues, just like everything else in life, that's down to you if you want it done right.



You provide advice without qualification and make claims that you cannot support.
How many people do you know that have failed to resolve their back pain? And how many of those had the same complaint and had the same treatment had a complete success? And exactly what was their injury? What is your criteria for a successful outcome? Where are your numbers coming from, you did say your experience was limited. Are you describing 2 of your friends?

And just to highlight some of the gems of advice that your have provided.

I quote
"People with sore body parts seldom get relief from doctors."
"The side effects from surgery such as scar tissue and adhesions often outweigh any possible benefit from the surgery itself."
"When you have a pain in your back, neck, shoulder, knee etc.. you must first consult the internet and find out every possible cause and diagnosis before going to a medical Dr."


So I will again state that your advice was given unwisely or imprudently, thus making it foolish. Hence my implication that you are a fool.

Now let me qualify myself. I am a physiotherapist and Exercise physiologist with 15 years of clinical experience. I treat on average 80 people per week, and approximately 60% of those have a lower back injury, and we are able to settle more than 95% of these within 4 weeks of conservative treatment. Pain relief medication plays a role, as do investigations such as X-ray, CT and MRI if required. I won't bore you with how i and my staff specifically treat, because in my 20 years experience, people such as yourself, already believe they have the answer.

I have also had and anterior lumbar interbody fusion to correct a foraminal stenosis. Oh you can google that. And for the record this procedure has a 98% success rate in resolving radicular pain.

Might I offer some unsolicited advice (albeit a little foolish), maybe all the hours you seem to spend researching on the computer is the reason you have a sore back?

But I know that my advice will mean nothing to you, so just ignore it, like I hope many ignore the rubbish advice you gave regarding health professionals and how one should go about seeking professional help.

DAM71
QLD, 498 posts
30 Nov 2012 11:47AM
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sboardcrazy said...
r2908 said...
A chiro and accup. Etc . Will NEVER give referrals.. a orthopedic surgeon told me they kill one person a year from neck trauma . Whateva .... That's what I was told .. truth .. there s also stories of them massaging tumors in people's backs .. ha. I'm sure they work for some . But not everyone ... I'll never go back to one ... Ever.


Never is a bit extreme. My chiro hates the type of chiros who tell people they have to come back every week etc and tries to get them reported as they are giving chiros a bad name.. She often suggests/refers people to specialists.
Like any field the dodgy ones give the rest a bad name..Sounds like you have just come across dodgy ones..


Unfortunately, the newer generation of Chiropractors, seem to be taking this lifelong treatment approach. As a physio, while I don't assess and treat in the same manner as a chiro, I do acknowledge that a manipulative technique can be very useful in resolving a complaint. It is like any profession there are good and bad practitioners, mechanics, hairdressers etc...

Good luck with managing your complaint.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
30 Nov 2012 2:57PM
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DAM71 said...
sboardcrazy said...
r2908 said...
A chiro and accup. Etc . Will NEVER give referrals.. a orthopedic surgeon told me they kill one person a year from neck trauma . Whateva .... That's what I was told .. truth .. there s also stories of them massaging tumors in people's backs .. ha. I'm sure they work for some . But not everyone ... I'll never go back to one ... Ever.


Never is a bit extreme. My chiro hates the type of chiros who tell people they have to come back every week etc and tries to get them reported as they are giving chiros a bad name.. She often suggests/refers people to specialists.
Like any field the dodgy ones give the rest a bad name..Sounds like you have just come across dodgy ones..


Unfortunately, the newer generation of Chiropractors, seem to be taking this lifelong treatment approach. As a physio, while I don't assess and treat in the same manner as a chiro, I do acknowledge that a manipulative technique can be very useful in resolving a complaint. It is like any profession there are good and bad practitioners, mechanics, hairdressers etc...

Good luck with managing your complaint.


Thanks. It seems to be improving. I'm starting to want to sail thats obviously a good sign! Mind you I'll make sure I'm pretty good before I give it a timid go.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
30 Nov 2012 2:58PM
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Mobydisc said...
Hi Sue,

next time we meet up I'll give you a go of my chest harness. My wife bought it for me because I too have back issues. I'm probably around 80% okay after back surgery in 2009. Some days are better than others and I have fairly constant numness in my right foot. Before the operation, to cut out a ruptured disk I was pretty well stuffed.

I find the harness gives me plenty of support for my back and keeps my midriff tight and secure. So I think but am not sure, that it helps my back keep in the right shape when windsurfing.

Usually my back feels better after windsurfing than before.


I hadn't noticed you use a chestharness...
I always though a seat harness would stay in place better than a waist one and I can pull using my weight rather than my back..Push with my backside rather than pull with my back..?

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
30 Nov 2012 4:30PM
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DAM71 said...
Beaglebuddy said...
DAM71 said...
Beaglebuddy said...
If chiro works that's great, my point is that people who go to the Dr. and expect them to cure their pain, whatever it may be are usually disappointed, you have to figure it out for yourself and that includes asking others for their opinions and what has worked for them.


Beaglebuddy, you are a fool.
Firstly there are many types of health practitioner apart from a general practitioner. Secondly, where are your numbers to prove your above point that, "people are usually disappointed by the their doctors"? What pain are you referring to, that these people want cured? Muscular or maybe intractable pain associated with bone cancer. and finally where should people gain the information to self diagnose? Google perhaps?
Mate, if you don't have anything useful to say might i suggest you say nothing.


First don't call me a fool, name calling is immature and against the rules of the forum. I have plenty of useful opinions for the forum, what have you added with this attack?
Personally I don't know of one person who was cured of back or neck pain by a medical doctor. I have heard peripherally of people who have had back pain cured by surgery but no one I know personally. I know of several people who have had back surgery that has not really helped.
I suffered from lower back pain for years, several doctors wanted to cut on me but eventually the pain went away on it's own.
The side effects from surgery such as scar tissue and adhesions often outweigh any possible benefit from the surgery itself.
When you have a pain in your back, neck, shoulder, knee etc.. you must first consult the internet and find out every possible cause and diagnosis before going to a medical Dr., you will then be educated on the subject and can ask the right questions during the 10 minutes you get with the Dr.
The Dr. has no miracle cure, he can offer pills or surgery, he will gladly cut on you if you let him so he can gain experience.
The real cure is knowledge, it's like giving all your money to a financial adviser and hoping he knows which way the markets will turn, he doesn't know, only guessing.
The Dr. is deluded with people in pain all day long and doesn't have the time to delve into the idiosyncrasies of your particular issues, just like everything else in life, that's down to you if you want it done right.



You provide advice without qualification and make claims that you cannot support.
How many people do you know that have failed to resolve their back pain? And how many of those had the same complaint and had the same treatment had a complete success? And exactly what was their injury? What is your criteria for a successful outcome? Where are your numbers coming from, you did say your experience was limited. Are you describing 2 of your friends?

And just to highlight some of the gems of advice that your have provided.

I quote
"People with sore body parts seldom get relief from doctors."
"The side effects from surgery such as scar tissue and adhesions often outweigh any possible benefit from the surgery itself."
"When you have a pain in your back, neck, shoulder, knee etc.. you must first consult the internet and find out every possible cause and diagnosis before going to a medical Dr."


So I will again state that your advice was given unwisely or imprudently, thus making it foolish. Hence my implication that you are a fool.

Now let me qualify myself. I am a physiotherapist and Exercise physiologist with 15 years of clinical experience. I treat on average 80 people per week, and approximately 60% of those have a lower back injury, and we are able to settle more than 95% of these within 4 weeks of conservative treatment. Pain relief medication plays a role, as do investigations such as X-ray, CT and MRI if required. I won't bore you with how i and my staff specifically treat, because in my 20 years experience, people such as yourself, already believe they have the answer.

I have also had and anterior lumbar interbody fusion to correct a foraminal stenosis. Oh you can google that. And for the record this procedure has a 98% success rate in resolving radicular pain.

Might I offer some unsolicited advice (albeit a little foolish), maybe all the hours you seem to spend researching on the computer is the reason you have a sore back?

But I know that my advice will mean nothing to you, so just ignore it, like I hope many ignore the rubbish advice you gave regarding health professionals and how one should go about seeking professional help.

"How many people do you know that have failed to resolve their back pain?" Pretty much everyone I know and come across every day of my life, statistics show at least 80% of the population have unresolved back pain that comes and goes.
'Pain relief medication plays a role"
Not even a medical doctor and you can prescribe medicine? what a racket, so this is where all the people hooked on Oxycontin get their fixes.
"we are able to settle more than 95% of these within 4 weeks"
Statistics show 90% of back pains resolve themselves within 2 months without treatment, how do you help people besides pushing pills and ordering up a bunch of expensive tests the State pays for? Do you have a financial interest in the local MRI clinic? Do you include people pill shopping in your cure rate?
'Now let me qualify myself. I am a physiotherapist and Exercise physiologist with 15 years of clinical experience. I treat on average 80 people per week"
Not even a medical Dr. but you have the attitude of one.
"I have also had and anterior lumbar interbody fusion to correct a foraminal stenosis." We are all so impressed with your big words, let me bow before the physiotherapist, (physical therapist)
So basically you run a pain clinic where some of the people are truly in need but a significant portion of your "patients" are actually addicts out doctor shopping for their opiate fix. Well we all have to make a living somehow.
I don't need to go in detail about all the people killed, maimed and disabled every year that trusted doctors to be in their best interest, unnecessary surgery, surgical mistakes, side effects of surgery, infections picked up in the hospital, medication errors, negative effects of drugs, overdoses, drug interactions, on and on.

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
30 Nov 2012 10:55PM
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Mmmm just wondering Beaglebuddy, are your kids immunised?

Just curious.

Bondalucci
VIC, 1580 posts
1 Dec 2012 12:50AM
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barn said...

The founder of chiropractic treatments, DD Palmer, claimed to have cured a partially deaf man with chiropractic adjustments.. That alone should have the alarm bells ringing..



Hopefully he could hear the alarm bells, since he was only "partially deaf"

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1 Dec 2012 3:17AM
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slammin said...
Mmmm just wondering Beaglebuddy, are your kids immunised?

Just curious.


Everyone should be immunized.



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