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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 27 Nov 2012
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
27 Nov 2012 8:02AM
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About 4 days ago I was standing and my mid back slowly seized up/ spasmed- b painful - like almost vomiting pain painful at times..I can't really figure out what caused it which is worrying as I want to avoid it happening again.It seems like I've strained a deep vertical muscle in my back.
I've been trying to fihure out what caused it and all I can come up with is...I've had a few bad whiplash catapults in the last few months and had a non painful slow one the day before + I was bashing really badly in big chop ( not enough wind to get going fast enough to hang out off the board to avoid it).My harness is a 90's model Da Kine seat harness which has been great but sometimes doesn't sit tight enough or in the right spot. Been overdoing chiro exercises ?( did some afterwards and that was what caused the worst flareup).
Anyway anyone else had similar problems ( maybe from sailing ) and worked out what caused it and got around the problem? Hopefully it's a one off because if it's regular I might have to give sailing away ( or maybe big sails and trying new things..)

baywavebill
VIC, 266 posts
27 Nov 2012 2:34PM
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I have regular knee and back problems after sailing regularly. I find a daily krill oil tablet helps ease the aches.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
27 Nov 2012 2:38PM
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Thanks. I've got some fish oil tablets at the back of the cupboard , probably out of date by now but I'll use them up.Not much good to me at the moment as I have the injury but may help in future.

Zed
WA, 1274 posts
27 Nov 2012 11:39AM
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I didn't injure my back, but had tight hammys and a bit of a stiff back from rugby. Jumped onto a plane to Bali and when I got off I was in agony. Could barely walk. It felt like I'd ruptured a disk or something pretty serious. I went to hospital and xrays revealed nothing. Had sh&tloads of anti-inflammatories, tramadol & muscle relaxants and after 4 days of agony it was pretty much 100%. Spoke ot my physio back in Perth and she thinks it was just a muscle spasm. Contributory factors can be tightness/poor flexibility in the back/hammys/glutes etc

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
27 Nov 2012 3:26PM
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Zed said...
I didn't injure my back, but had tight hammys and a bit of a stiff back from rugby. Jumped onto a plane to Bali and when I got off I was in agony. Could barely walk. It felt like I'd ruptured a disk or something pretty serious. I went to hospital and xrays revealed nothing. Had sh&tloads of anti-inflammatories, tramadol & muscle relaxants and after 4 days of agony it was pretty much 100%. Spoke ot my physio back in Perth and she thinks it was just a muscle spasm. Contributory factors can be tightness/poor flexibility in the back/hammys/glutes etc


MmmI know it was a muscle spasm ( doesn't sound very painful does it..yeah right..) My partner used to be a massage therapist and he diagnosed it.He also said give sailboarding away..[}:)]
Since things have settled down a little I can feel a few deep muscles yelling out occasionally so I assume the overall back spasmed to protect them..Its been 4 days and I felt a bit better today and didn't look after myself as much so I'm now back on the painkillers.
I hope it does only take a week or so to come good. I'll have to be careful not to try and sail too early..[}:)] That will be hard..

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
27 Nov 2012 1:08PM
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Had back prbs 4 many yrs.

Strengthening core muscles helps (Physio exercises/Pilates/Yoga) , & doing lots of stretching.

Can be facet joint & disc related. So no real cure as such.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
27 Nov 2012 4:17PM
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hardie said...
Had back prbs 4 many yrs.

Strengthening core muscles helps (Physio exercises/Pilates/Yoga) , & doing lots of stretching.

Can be facet joint & disc related. So no real cure as such.


I do a lot of core strengthening exercises + strectches for my upper back problem although they are the exercises I can't do at the moment as they flare the current problem up. Hope its muscle related rather than disc.. I'm going to the chiro next week. Hopefully it will have settled enough for her to figure out what it might have been.
So do you do anything differently sailing to help your back survive?

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
27 Nov 2012 1:23PM
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sboardcrazy said...
hardie said...
Had back prbs 4 many yrs.

Strengthening core muscles helps (Physio exercises/Pilates/Yoga) , & doing lots of stretching.

Can be facet joint & disc related. So no real cure as such.


I do a lot of core strengthening exercises + strectches for my upper back problem although they are the exercises I can't do at the moment as they flare the current problem up. Hope its muscle related rather than disc.. I'm going to the chiro next week. Hopefully it will have settled enough for her to figure out what it might have been.


YES sometimes that horrible 4 letter word is the only way = "REST", when my physio or Dr suggests that, I always feel angry towards them, ridiculous isnt it

boardboy
QLD, 554 posts
27 Nov 2012 3:56PM
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+1 for rest and then core stabilisation excercises when recovered.

I used to have muscular spasms in my back at least once a month which would prevent me getting out of bed. I started a gym program to strengthen the core stabilisation muscles and havnt had a back spasm in 5 years.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
27 Nov 2012 5:23PM
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Rest..yes a swearword when it's blowing..[}:)]Last time I went to the chiro with shoulder problems from the whiplash injuries she warned me about continuing to sail with it.She said she used to know a young man who could have been an Australian champ tennis player but he kept playing ignoring injuries and now in his mid 20's has so much scar tissue that he can hardly play..that made me stop and think..

Nimrod
SA, 58 posts
27 Nov 2012 5:13PM
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Sue. Please, do this.

Turn off your computer and go outside. Get the 90's vintage Dakine harness and put a little gas on it. flick a match to it and watch it burn. Make sure its completely destroyed.

Now go back inside and get online. Order yourself a top of the line 2013 waist harness with a seat built in. I would not go a full waist harness if I were you as they tend to ride pretty high on chicks and you want a lower hook position for the kind of sailing you do.

My dad has an old Dakine surfseat and I used it once. It killed my back and I'm half your age.

Those old harnesses only supported the hips so your spine is getting pushed around all over the place. Its nasty.

A modern harness will come much further up your back and provide support. I have older friends who upgrade to the next model as soon as they are released. They have bad backs and say that the harness pushes the same spots their chiropractor does.. Sailing actually makes their back feel better.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
27 Nov 2012 7:04PM
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Nimrod said...
Sue. Please, do this.

Turn off your computer and go outside. Get the 90's vintage Dakine harness and put a little gas on it. flick a match to it and watch it burn. Make sure its completely destroyed.

Now go back inside and get online. Order yourself a top of the line 2013 waist harness with a seat built in. I would not go a full waist harness if I were you as they tend to ride pretty high on chicks and you want a lower hook position for the kind of sailing you do.

My dad has an old Dakine surfseat and I used it once. It killed my back and I'm half your age.

Those old harnesses only supported the hips so your spine is getting pushed around all over the place. Its nasty.

A modern harness will come much further up your back and provide support. I have older friends who upgrade to the next model as soon as they are released. They have bad backs and say that the harness pushes the same spots their chiropractor does.. Sailing actually makes their back feel better.


I have a bad back and I find that with my waist harness I can position the support to where it feels the best for my back. Do try a few different harnesses as the shapes do vary a bit. Some feel useless on me while others fit and support like a glove. I use a NP but the standard dakine seems to work work well for the female form.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
27 Nov 2012 7:36PM
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I do need to get a new harness but the local shop has only kiter ones and few women friendly ones.I didn't find any comfortable ones and many of the fasteners / clips can't be undone unless you are a bloke with strong hands.Others had a large flap up the back ( designed for blokes who have flatter backs) and it stuck into me.
I might have to get Windsurfnsnow to bring a few female seat harness's up for me to try when they do a demo day as I'm not going to buy without trying one on.
The day before the back problem the harness wasn't sitting tight enough and I was a bit slack about going in and refitting it..But it has done that on me before without any problems..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
27 Nov 2012 8:09PM
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I looked up a few seat harness's on the internet - Da Kine. Is there a problem buying a kiter one? I think finding a womans sailboard seat harness will be pretty difficult these days as there aren't many female sailors around..

fanatic02
NSW, 304 posts
27 Nov 2012 8:17PM
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i just got a brand new mystic seat harness from board crazy , comfy as ,
way better than my old one[}:)] looks like you live in the forums Sue ? 15 posts a week ?

Nimrod
SA, 58 posts
27 Nov 2012 8:45PM
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There was a thread a few weeks ago where this was talked about.

I now use a mystic warrior for sailing and kiting.

I sail in a few different countries and use a lot of hire gear so I've tried out several brands.

I think mystic are making the best harness ATM

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 8:47AM
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fanatic02 said...
i just got a brand new mystic seat harness from board crazy , comfy as ,
way better than my old one[}:)] looks like you live in the forums Sue ? 15 posts a week ?


Yep when I'm stuck at home with a bad back or stuck on a portrait I 'm a forum junkie..May as well learn something or get entertained.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 8:50AM
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Nimrod said...
There was a thread a few weeks ago where this was talked about.

I now use a mystic warrior for sailing and kiting.

I sail in a few different countries and use a lot of hire gear so I've tried out several brands.

I think mystic are making the best harness ATM


Thats would be handy as the local shop stocks Mystic.Only problem is I tried on most of what they had and none were comfortable..[}:)]
My old harness is hard to tighten. Occasionally I can get it really tight and it feels rock solid but usually the spreader bar lifts about 2 - 4" above the harness as it's used. Is that normal? Do new seat harness's raise above the hardness or is the spreader bar locked down onto the harness/your stomach as you sail.

DaniS
91 posts
28 Nov 2012 7:35AM
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Hi sboardcrazy!
I have the same problem with my back and shoulders i take Vitamin B every day, before sailing i normally take a couple of Advil that reduce the inflammation.
I find out that suction cups work really good Chinese use that, you can ask your massage therapist about that. The only problem with it is you get a lot of bruises.
Hope this helps.
Dani.

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
28 Nov 2012 10:52AM
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Suffered back pain for years .. tried all the hippe sh!t. Suction cups, magnetism.. physio massages .. etc.. found it all to be absolute crap ... The physio cyro guy was telling me all this rubbish. I can feel the problem its muscular ... It will take a few sessions to fix . Come back next week ... Anyway . finally Got a mrI . And it was a kidney full off stones causing all the pain ... Fixed now .. lesson is don t waste money & time on hippes .. see a real doctor

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 11:20AM
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Nimrod said...
There was a thread a few weeks ago where this was talked about.

I now use a mystic warrior for sailing and kiting.

I sail in a few different countries and use a lot of hire gear so I've tried out several brands.

I think mystic are making the best harness ATM


I tried to find it but can't. Anyone find that thread? I don't have much success with searches..

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
28 Nov 2012 12:03PM
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I wouldn't buy a harness seat or waist, on-line, without trying it first.
It's too personal an item.

Zed
WA, 1274 posts
28 Nov 2012 9:17AM
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sboardcrazy said...
Nimrod said...
There was a thread a few weeks ago where this was talked about.

I now use a mystic warrior for sailing and kiting.

I sail in a few different countries and use a lot of hire gear so I've tried out several brands.

I think mystic are making the best harness ATM


Thats would be handy as the local shop stocks Mystic.Only problem is I tried on most of what they had and none were comfortable..[}:)]
My old harness is hard to tighten. Occasionally I can get it really tight and it feels rock solid but usually the spreader bar lifts about 2 - 4" above the harness as it's used. Is that normal? Do new seat harness's raise above the hardness or is the spreader bar locked down onto the harness/your stomach as you sail.


Sounds like you need a new harness! With a decent one the spreader bar shouldn't move much. But remember it will loosen up slightly when it gets wet, so either do it up too tight or jump in the water, get it wet then tighten.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 12:35PM
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Zed said...
sboardcrazy said...
Nimrod said...
There was a thread a few weeks ago where this was talked about.

I now use a mystic warrior for sailing and kiting.

I sail in a few different countries and use a lot of hire gear so I've tried out several brands.

I think mystic are making the best harness ATM


Thats would be handy as the local shop stocks Mystic.Only problem is I tried on most of what they had and none were comfortable..[}:)]
My old harness is hard to tighten. Occasionally I can get it really tight and it feels rock solid but usually the spreader bar lifts about 2 - 4" above the harness as it's used. Is that normal? Do new seat harness's raise above the hardness or is the spreader bar locked down onto the harness/your stomach as you sail.


Sounds like you need a new harness! With a decent one the spreader bar shouldn't move much. But remember it will loosen up slightly when it gets wet, so either do it up too tight or jump in the water, get it wet then tighten.



Yep I know that.. The looseness is after it is wet and I have tightened it as much as I can..Sometimes it rides up a bit and I have to loosen everything place it over my hips again and retighten.I lost weight last year and I have a bit of high density foam as another layer at the back so it makes it so I can get it tighter.Otherwise I am too small and I run out of adjustment..

Wow maybe my sailing will improve out of sight with a new harness..!

beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
28 Nov 2012 12:47PM
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As a Back sufferer I can sympathise...sometimes its not so much the sport but the sitting at the PC with work for long hours which causes it...if usual treatments such as physio and (trusted) chyro dont work I would recommend an MRI

A lot of back pain, particularly spasming can be caused by calcification on the spongy bit in between the disk (sort of like an old rubber thong left out in the sun)...this can build up and touch the nerve...often with referred pain in other parts of the body, e.g down the leg, ITB etc as well as at/close to the source place in the back.

In my case this was what happened in 2008...ignored it too long..even took cortisone shots to get through MTB stage races and it only made it worse...Eventually the MRI revealed the damage....not before 40% paralysis down one side of the leg....went in overnight for keyhole surgery...out walking next day...back to 85% mobility...probably 5% will never get back (aging process) but the other 10% is probably a little laziness in not doing a lot of work on the core..something I am really noticing I need to work on with Windsurfing.

norcom
61 posts
28 Nov 2012 10:01AM
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I've developed back issues since I started mountain biking and windsurfing. I spent most of my life (it seems) in front of a computer, so I constantly lean forward. I've pulled my back out years ago bad for the first time and it took me months to recover. The one thing that really helped me is an exercise ball. Basic back stretches are like miracles to me.

A few weeks ago I pulled my back out downhauling the sail with the wrong leg. I was too lazy to flip the sail over on the right side and decided to do it with my left leg. I felt/heard multiple pops in my lower back and I knew it was game over. Packed up and went home. The pain didn't really kick in until I woke up the next morning. I literally had to CRAWL out of bed to turn the alarm off. I got up and after about an hour got on the exercise ball. I was able to walk around easily that evening and was healed within a week. Fastest time ever. Works miracles for me; might not work for you.

This is basically what I do with it.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 1:03PM
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beatlloydy said...
As a Back sufferer I can sympathise...sometimes its not so much the sport but the sitting at the PC with work for long hours which causes it...if usual treatments such as physio and (trusted) chyro dont work I would recommend an MRI

A lot of back pain, particularly spasming can be caused by calcification on the spongy bit in between the disk (sort of like an old rubber thong left out in the sun)...this can build up and touch the nerve...often with referred pain in other parts of the body, e.g down the leg, ITB etc as well as at/close to the source place in the back.

In my case this was what happened in 2008...ignored it too long..even took cortisone shots to get through MTB stage races and it only made it worse...Eventually the MRI revealed the damage....not before 40% paralysis down one side of the leg....went in overnight for keyhole surgery...out walking next day...back to 85% mobility...probably 5% will never get back (aging process) but the other 10% is probably a little laziness in not doing a lot of work on the core..something I am really noticing I need to work on with Windsurfing.


I was medically retired with an upper back problem ( RSI) so I'm now self employed as that's the only way I can manage it..At least the boss lets me change activities , lie upside down as needed or go sailboarding to strengthen my back..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 1:04PM
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norcom said...
I've developed back issues since I started mountain biking and windsurfing. I spent most of my life (it seems) in front of a computer, so I constantly lean forward. I've pulled my back out years ago bad for the first time and it took me months to recover. The one thing that really helped me is an exercise ball. Basic back stretches are like miracles to me.

A few weeks ago I pulled my back out downhauling the sail with the wrong leg. I was too lazy to flip the sail over on the right side and decided to do it with my left leg. I felt/heard multiple pops in my lower back and I knew it was game over. Packed up and went home. The pain didn't really kick in until I woke up the next morning. I literally had to CRAWL out of bed to turn the alarm off. I got up and after about an hour got on the exercise ball. I was able to walk around easily that evening and was healed within a week. Fastest time ever. Works miracles for me; might not work for you.

This is basically what I do with it.




Cripes! When I am going ok I think that would be good..At the moment my back is freaking out just looking at it!

norcom
61 posts
28 Nov 2012 10:16AM
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sboardcrazy said...
Cripes! When I am going ok I think that would be good..At the moment my back is freaking out just looking at it!


That's just an example. You don't have to stretch that far, just leaning backwards helps (me). The ball is squishy and you can sit low on it and do very gentle back stretches. You don't really need a ball, I started using the arm rest of my couch at first with a pillow on it. The ball is easier and safer. You probably should seek professional advice as it may not help to stretch right now. I hate doctors as much as anyone and query Dr. Google as my first choice. :) Once you're healed though, stretching definitely helps.

Edit:
Also, I should mention that when I have back pain and stretch using the exercise ball, "I" feel instant relief. If you don't, they're probably not going to do you any good.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
28 Nov 2012 1:44PM
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norcom said...
sboardcrazy said...
Cripes! When I am going ok I think that would be good..At the moment my back is freaking out just looking at it!


That's just an example. You don't have to stretch that far, just leaning backwards helps (me). The ball is squishy and you can sit low on it and do very gentle back stretches. You don't really need a ball, I started using the arm rest of my couch at first with a pillow on it. The ball is easier and safer. You probably should seek professional advice as it may not help to stretch right now. I hate doctors as much as anyone and query Dr. Google as my first choice. :) Once you're healed though, stretching definitely helps.

Edit:
Also, I should mention that when I have back pain and stretch using the exercise ball, "I" feel instant relief. If you don't, they're probably not going to do you any good.


Your lucky you have found this one that helps!
At the moment when I'm lying down andmove/ lift my body a little to put a heat pack under I get a sharp pain in my lower back so I think I'll play it safe for a while.
I do a strectch where I lie down on the floor with feet up on a chair ( or the ball) so I'm a bit like an upside down z except all angles are 90 degrees. I also put my arms out behind me and that relaxes the muscles between my shoulder blades and can stop any headaches from my upper back. I can't do that one at the moment as it aggravates the current condition.
Its a bummer not having any management exercises for this but I think I'll wait till the chiro assess's me next Mon.

Zed
WA, 1274 posts
28 Nov 2012 11:06AM
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I may be wrong here and it does depend on your injury, but a heat pack whilst it feels good may not be the best thing for you? If you have inflammation/swelling and/or tearing of muscles etc the last thing you want is heat. You need to ice the area. But it depends what your injury is really.



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