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XYZ said.. a bunch of blah, blah, blah and then:

I think Naish promotes maneuverability because Naish has no other things to promote.

FTFY: Naish promotes maneuverability because Naish wanted a maneuverable free ride foil.

What you originally said is a goofy as saying a wave board isn't any good because it's slower than a slalom board. Yeah, it's supposed to be. Until you've spent enough time on the water to understand what different people are trying to accomplish, your engineer mind will never be able to wrap itself around all the things that are going on right now.

Nothing against foiling but I've yet to see one plane consistently below 10 knots.

Yesterday at Melville there were two hydrofoil kite surfers planing consistently till it got dark. The wind looked well less than 10 knots with the occassional gust to 12.

Hydrofoil windsurfing is promoted mostly as a lightwind alternative to windsurfing. To me it does offer some improvement in light conditions for the same sail size though not great. The main difference it offers is a different feel.

Were I want to get out in marginal conditions of 6-12 knots, hydrofoil kiting is clearly the way to go,not that I like them much!

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petermac33 said..
Nothing against foiling but I've yet to see one plane consistently below 10 knots.

Yesterday at Melville there were two hydrofoil kite surfers planing consistently till it got dark. The wind looked well less than 10 knots with the occassional gust to 12.

Hydrofoil windsurfing is promoted mostly as a lightwind alternative to windsurfing. To me it does offer some improvement in light conditions for the same sail size though not great. The main difference it offers is a different feel.

Were I want to get out in marginal conditions of 6-12 knots, hydrofoil kiting is clearly the way to go,not that I like them much!

Find someone who's using a good 1000+ wing. The difference between that and the more common 800ish wings is measurable. I can fly mine in about the same wind as my kiter buddy who's using a 17m and foil. And when the wind (and his kite) drops, I'm not swimming home.

www.raceyou.ru:443/showthread.php?t=25231&page=47

This is a comment from Russian forum about Naish foil in Moscow:
See post #694 from anton
"???? ???? ??? ? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? 6,2 ??? ????? ???????(??? ? ??????? ????? ????????) ???? ?? ??????? ???? 5-7 ?/? ?? ? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ????."
In English: "Naish foil did not make it in flight. Perhaps 6.2 sail was too small. Poor guy could rent a bigger sail. Wind was 5-7 m/s (6-13 knots). The rider was as light as amaster (75 kg). "
If you read his earlier posts he is talking about good day of windsurfing when all sailors have been having fun foiling and formula sailing but not the guy on Naish Foil with 6.2 sail.

I have been using my new foil for some time already. I need 7 knots to foil: 1000 sq cm, 7.2, 175lbs, no harness. Measured 7 knots very accurately when wind was on shore within 6.5-7.5 knots. Possibly take off at 7.5 knots and continue flight when wind temporary drops to 6.5. Fine tuning of foil and sail is the key. Stiffness is very important for easy control. My stabilizer deflects for 1/8" inch if I hang 40 lbs on it. Check your foil. Wings design needs to be good = short chord and large span. I will post a video when I learn flying turns. For now check this video of a foil very similar to what I have with wind speed measuring:

GPS tracks and speeds bro, post them.

I think you have successfully created the world's slowest flying foil if nothing else, props ??

XYZ yet again, your claim of the Naish foiler proves nothing. As anyone with a basic understanding of sailing and foiling knows, a sailor can rig a sail poorly, and the foil and sail will not perform together as expected. Perhaps this is the case? Perhaps the foil has not been adjusted correctly for the rear wing angle of attack, and hence the foil won't lift? Perhaps the sailor is not as experienced as the others? In the video I see nothing of the Naish foiler. Where is he/she?
How about you go and hire a Naish foil, and compare it with your awesome foil, capture some video of them both to prove us doubters wrong.
If the FRP gear is as good as you reckon it is, then how come there isn't a massive following for it? I've googled for FRP gear, and can only find a couple of minor mentions, and many of those are not favourable.
If it was as good as you say, then how come no independent reviews of the foils which includes FRP have been carried out? Conspiracy against FPR? Or maybe it's just not good enough to make the cut to start with?
I'm not saying the FRP gear is rubbish (I'm not saying it's awesome either). I'm just saying that your claims of FRP gear being WAAAAY better than Naish are not supported by your arguments or evidence. There is plenty of evidence out there that refutes your claims of Naish being a poor product - despite what you say.

Regarding my previous comments, you still question Naish being able to fly in sub 14 knots despite the videos that have been put up - how much evidence do you need?
My negative experience with the Naish product is that the board is built very light, and is not robust. I have dinged mine by dropping a screwdriver on it, which I found disappointing. Foil is constructed well. And I would also say that in my limited experience, the Slingshot foil felt like it performed a tiny bit better, but was more difficult to use.

I bought frpgear foil because of positive comments from Europe, particularly from Bulgaria and from Russia.
From Bulgaria reposted on French forum in English:
www.windsurfing33.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=113208
From Russia (use google translator):
www.raceyou.ru:443/showthread.php?t=28946
BTW, Russian forum has widely adopted term "Fly-Fin Mode" as a description of high speed planing at light wind when it is not enough wind to fly a foil. For example, one Russian dude describes his day: "Because it was not enough wind to fly my Horue I just planed around in Fly-Fin mode. Guys! There is really Fly-Fin Mode. It works!" Starboard affiliate responds: "Would you stop using Fly-Fin Mode term!" Another guy comments: "I had much of Fly-Fin Mode today as well."
I do not see negative comments from English speaking frpgear customers. But I would like to read them if you can provide a link.
Windsurfing is much bigger in EU compare to US. It will come to the US. I already use fly-fin for early planing and I am satisfied with my new fly-fin hydrofoil. When I become good in flying jibe I will post a video. Again, I invested in fly-fin hydrofoil because it gets me in flight every day I go surfing. Now, I do not even need to check the weather. Even if it is no wind I get some moments in flight because of thermal wind we have every day about at noon for some 1/2 hr. Amazing!
I did not see flying jibes on the most recent Naish promotional video. Did anyone?
Perhaps, it was a coincident in Moscow. All the 100 people were good enough for light wind windsurfing and the only Naish customer was not. But when I listed to Naish video it tells me that it is very easy to fly Naish. As I already said, Naish is OK for beginners to try it for low cost. But you cannot fly Naish at light wind conditions like all foiles do in Europe. However, the latest Race Naish design look more like our light wind European foils. I see Naish is listening to its customers (affiliates) on this forum and on Russian forum and is trying to make better foils. This is good for us - the consumers. More competition means lower price.

Bell end^

Grabbed from a thread over in General: RSX planing in 0 wind!



(Gotta love those $15 hand held anemometers) Hey, xyz, isn't that the same Anton guy that was laughed off the French foil forums for asking opinions about cheap Alibaba foils and other goofy stuff? Pretty sure it is.

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XYZ said..
I bought frpgear foil because of positive comments from Europe, particularly from Bulgaria and from Russia.
From Bulgaria reposted on French forum in English:
www.windsurfing33.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=113208
From Russia (use google translator):
www.raceyou.ru:443/showthread.php?t=28946
BTW, Russian forum has widely adopted term "Fly-Fin Mode" as a description of high speed planing at light wind when it is not enough wind to fly a foil. For example, one Russian dude describes his day: "Because it was not enough wind to fly my Horue I just planed around in Fly-Fin mode. Guys! There is really Fly-Fin Mode. It works!" Starboard affiliate responds: "Would you stop using Fly-Fin Mode term!" Another guy comments: "I had much of Fly-Fin Mode today as well."
I do not see negative comments from English speaking frpgear customers. But I would like to read them if you can provide a link.
Windsurfing is much bigger in EU compare to US. It will come to the US. I already use fly-fin for early planing and I am satisfied with my new fly-fin hydrofoil. When I become good in flying jibe I will post a video. Again, I invested in fly-fin hydrofoil because it gets me in flight every day I go surfing. Now, I do not even need to check the weather. Even if it is no wind I get some moments in flight because of thermal wind we have every day about at noon for some 1/2 hr. Amazing!
I did not see flying jibes on the most recent Naish promotional video. Did anyone?
Perhaps, it was a coincident in Moscow. All the 100 people were good enough for light wind windsurfing and the only Naish customer was not. But when I listed to Naish video it tells me that it is very easy to fly Naish. As I already said, Naish is OK for beginners to try it for low cost. But you cannot fly Naish at light wind conditions like all foiles do in Europe. However, the latest Race Naish design look more like our light wind European foils. I see Naish is listening to its customers (affiliates) on this forum and on Russian forum and is trying to make better foils. This is good for us - the consumers. More competition means lower price.

You "bought it" from FRP gear huh? ... C'mon man. We already know who you are. There are no English speaking FRP gear customers.... just one guy & his digital sock puppets.

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XYZ said..
I bought frpgear foil because of positive comments from Europe, particularly from Bulgaria and from Russia.
From Bulgaria reposted on French forum in English:
www.windsurfing33.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=113208

Did you even read the threads you linked?

"I do not know about his foil, but he made a lot of fuzz around his fin-foil last year and all the people who have sailed them said it was absolute crap
The problem of the guy is that he maybe very competent in mechanic but he knows nothing about windsurfing - you can see on his site or on this video that he does not know the difference between a wave sail and a racing one..."

"And last year, the frp guy said windfoiling sucked and that his foil-fin where far better... he changed his mind apparently"

[in reply to Anton]
"I don't understand what you want ???
Do you want to buy it are you here to advertise for FRP ?
If first option, buy it, compare it to other foils with video and after we could speak about it... All we could see about FRP are bad quality videos on which you see nothing except very poor level of riding in not good conditions.
Personally, nothing I've seen gives me even the desire to be interested in their products."

These are the positive comments?

anton/xyz at his best ! giving advice on the french forum....

even better

Right below the post where a Horue foil got 5th in a long distance race. btw, if you foil needs two stabs, you did the math wrong.

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seanhogan said..
even better

You need to read more of his relevant posts to understand the reason of two stabilizers. This person actually needs to pay his money to buy a bigger stabilizer. He used the stabilizers that he had at home in order to determine the right size he needs to buy. If you buy a stabilizer and you do not like it you cannot return it for a refund. I found that only FRPGear allows returns if you do not like it.

From his earlier post I see him repeatedly purchasing from frpgear with a prove of purchase published followed with complete satisfaction comments to the quality and price. Still waiting for anyone finding comments from unsatisfied frp customer. Here is what I found on UK forum: One guy bought a fly-fin, it delivering light wind planing as promised but was not good at strong wind due to spinouts. The guy returned it for a full refund. Completely satisfied with frp business practice. I personally tried all the 6 frpgear flyfins to find the one that works the vest for me. I think this is very reasonable way to do business in such of new foiling. You have to offer a free demo for people to try it at no cost.
http://forums.boards.co.uk/showthread.php/78691-Semi-foiling-fly-fin/page12

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Join DateMar 2018Posts3

2020 Flyfin trial

Hi guys, I tried the 2020 fly fin on my stay at Hatteras, NC, two weeks ago. Here is my report. To record this fin is 31 cm high, 22cm wide and the foil is 34 cm wide.

My test was done with a 130 l freeride board with 69 cm width and a 7.3 sail. I'm an experienced windsurfer. My weight is 74 kg.

In marginal wind at 10 to 11 knots it works correctly, gives some nice lift and some speed. When the speed increases and the fun is to start with planning, the things go bad. The fin spins (spinouts) suddenly and hardly. It is almost impossible to bring back like a standard fin. I'm a rather heavy rear foot sailor, but even when I tried to be gentle, it spun.

After that the wind picked to 12-13 knots and planning was easy, but always with frequent spinouts. I make myself very light on the back foot and it was possible to plane, but in the same time the fly fin pushes the nose of the board down. The board sticks to the water and hits all small chop. And if you ask, my rear foot straps are already at the aft position. Maybe it could be possible to move back the mast base to compensate a bit, but I didn't try.

The turns (jibe) were hard to do because the fin does not want to turn when in speed. Maybe because of its width (22 cm) ?

In conclusion I think that there is a potential in this idea, but the 2020 model I not for me.

During the test and after it, FRPgear was very kind and the communication was great. I returned the fin and got a full reimbursement as promised.

Chris

PS sorry for my English, it is my third language

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Interesting to note, that the same fly-fin Model 2020 worked well for a Bulgarian customer
windsurf.bg/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ou0focrpmh04n3434pagfsqj61&topic=10157.45

But Bulgarian customer says he had carbon version, while Chris used fiberglass version. Perhaps, material makes a difference on performance. This is why I previously mention that Naish fiberglass foil wing may be one of the reasons for lesser performance compare to carbon foils.

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Paducah said..
Right below the post where a Horue foil got 5th in a long distance race. btw, if you foil needs two stabs, you did the math wrong.

With apologies to Loke who show how to do two stabs properly.

www.instagram.com/p/BksDTz1g1eR/

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Paducah said..
....if you foil needs two stabs, you did the math wrong.

I just found why the Russian foiler anton shows two stubs the picture.
See comment from anton on 17-07-2018 16:35
http://185.26.120.162/viewtopic.php?id=13756&p=186

He is showing to another kitforum participant that the fuselage he made can be used with Horue stab (bolted on the picture) or with Manta stab (not bolted).

If you did not have access to free foils from your work (Naish or like) you would be as smart as RUSSIAN anton in saving. When you buy a foil you get two wings and two masts like for free. You do not get a fuselage. Fuselage is expensive to buy separately. Apparently, Russian anton had bought Manta and Horue so he had extra wings and masts and no fuselages. This is why he used an aluminum extrusion to make a fuselage so he does not need to buy a new one. If you read more posts from anton you see that he is very cares very much about his old father. His is doung windsurfing with his father and he wants his father to try foiling as well. Anton is searching for a very stable hydrofoil for his old father (see french forum windsurfing33). This is why anton is experimenting with fuselage length to get more stability so his old father cal foil safely. Anton cannot afford Starboard Race at $2000+, which has been tested by several Russians on that forum recently reporting increased stability. But one Starbord Race customer discovered a problem - excessive load conditions on the fin box - need a new board after using Starboard Race (another $2000). Anton has reported a problem with Starboard joints (mast/fuselage) that his friend experienced recently resulting in excessive backlash and wiggling in use. Starboard representative on the forum opposed the claim. The latest posts from Russian anton is that he closed his season and paid 50% discounted early commitment price to frpgear to get delivery of frp hydrofoil that has been recognized to be more stable before the next Russian windsurfing season that may start as early as March in South of Russia like Crimea.

You made a bad, if not offensive, assumption about a person that you have never met. You have published you bad opinion world-wide. But the person turned out to be a good person who is working hard saving money to do windsurfing and cares about his old father. I am not sure how this situation would be typically resolved in the United states of America. However, I will bet my list coin on the assumption that most of the people in the world would suggest that you need to apologize.

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Paducah said..
....if you foil needs two stabs, you did the math wrong.

I just found why the Russian foiler anton shows two stubs the picture.
See comment from anton on 17-07-2018 16:35
http://185.26.120.162/viewtopic.php?id=13756&p=186

He is showing to another kitforum participant that the fuselage he made can be used with Horue stab (bolted on the picture) or with Manta stab (not bolted).

If you did not have access to free foils from your work (Naish or like) you would be as smart as RUSSIAN anton in saving. When you buy a foil you get two wings and two masts like for free. You do not get a fuselage. Fuselage is expensive to buy separately. Apparently, Russian anton had bought Manta and Horue so he had extra wings and masts and no fuselages. This is why he used an aluminum extrusion to make a fuselage so he does not need to buy a new one. If you read more posts from anton you see that he is very cares very much about his old father. His is doung windsurfing with his father and he wants his father to try foiling as well. Anton is searching for a very stable hydrofoil for his old father (see french forum windsurfing33). This is why anton is experimenting with fuselage length to get more stability so his old father cal foil safely. Anton cannot afford Starboard Race at $2000+, which has been tested by several Russians on that forum recently reporting increased stability. But one Starbord Race customer discovered a problem - excessive load conditions on the fin box - need a new board after using Starboard Race (another $2000). Anton has reported a problem with Starboard joints (mast/fuselage) that his friend experienced recently resulting in excessive backlash and wiggling in use. Starboard representative on the forum opposed the claim. The latest posts from Russian anton is that he closed his season and paid 50% discounted early commitment price to frpgear to get delivery of frp hydrofoil that has been recognized to be more stable before the next Russian windsurfing season that may start as early as March in South of Russia like Crimea.

You made a bad, if not offensive, assumption about a person that you have never met. You have published you bad opinion world-wide. But the person turned out to be a good person who is working hard saving money to do windsurfing and cares about his old father. I am not sure how this situation would be typically resolved in the United states of America. However, I will bet my list coin on the assumption that most of the people in the world would suggest that you need to apologize.

And you need to FLICK OF pimp boy

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XYZ prattled on... (skipping a bunch of stuff)

You made a bad, if not offensive, assumption about a person that you have never met. You have published you bad opinion world-wide.

"It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take"
- Alanis Morrisette

I'm unable apologize to Anton presently as I'm busy tending to my aged, infirm ITALIAN mother who raised 14 kids by herself on a seamstress's wage*. Perhaps, I'll have the opportunity tomorrow. I do wish him the best of luck in his endeavors whether it's with one stab or two.

Striving to keep the conversation on topic: Converting Xfire into foil board www.seatexboards.com/portfolio/rrd-xfire-into-foil-board/

* The story, names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this production may be fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred. No person or entity associated with this post received payment or anything of value, or entered into any agreement, in connection with the depiction of tobacco products. No animals were harmed in the making of this post.

Recently published videos about Naish and FRPGear windfoiling.

1. Very experienced (see his other video at 30 knots wind) windsurfer is riding new Naish foil at 18 knots wind:


2. Experienced windsurfer riding Naish foil at 20 knots wind:


3. Inexperience windsurfer riding FRPGear Koryaga foil at 0 knots wind

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Paducah said..
Grabbed from a thread over in General: RSX planing in 0 wind!

(Gotta love those $15 hand held anemometers) Hey, xyz, isn't that the same Anton guy that was laughed off the French foil forums for asking opinions about cheap Alibaba foils and other goofy stuff? Pretty sure it is.

Do you have any suggestions how to prove the wind speed claims on YouTube videos? You can get the board speed very accurate from a YouTube video. The wind speed can be derived from the angle of the sail - you close sail more to go faster at lighter wind.
However:
When Naish claims 6-10 knots - do I just believe it? Remember, Naish Co does not refund my money if I cannot fly Naish at 6-10 knots wind.
Do you really need an accurate wind speed report on frpgear videos because they refund you money if you do not like their foil?

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Recently published videos about Naish and FRPGear windfoiling.

Very impressive for 0 knots of wind. I wonder what caused the noise in the microphone

PS: ...My Tyrannosaurus is looking for his hipbone back.

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XYZ obsessed..

Paducah said..
Grabbed from a thread over in General: RSX planing in 0 wind!

(Gotta love those $15 hand held anemometers) Hey, xyz, isn't that the same Anton guy that was laughed off the French foil forums for asking opinions about cheap Alibaba foils and other goofy stuff? Pretty sure it is.

Do you have any suggestions how to prove the wind speed claims on YouTube videos? You can get the board speed very accurate from a YouTube video. The wind speed can be derived from the angle of the sail - you close sail more to go faster at lighter wind.
However:
When Naish claims 6-10 knots - do I just believe it? Remember, Naish Co does not refund my money if I cannot fly Naish at 6-10 knots wind.
Do you really need an accurate wind speed report on frpgear videos because they refund you money if you do not like their foil?

ffs, THEN DON'T BUY A NAISH Nobody is twisting your arm or holding your children hostage. He, his family and his company have been designing and selling windsurfing equipment for decades. They have what we call a REPUTATION. I have twenty yr old Naish designed boards that gave me years of pleasure. So, yeah, I'm' going to go with: I'm going to believe him.

You, however, don't have those years of goodwill, nor are your posts earning it.

Again, trying to bring things back on topic: Alex Morales, great guy in the States, who's doing good things building boards and foils. He's on an Avanti 8.4 (Pro tip XYZ, he races his designs against some very good windsurfers. He knows exactly how his stuff performs vs the competition)

www.instagram.com/p/BoOyonJgFSt/

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XYZ said..

Paducah said..
Grabbed from a thread over in General: RSX planing in 0 wind!

(Gotta love those $15 hand held anemometers) Hey, xyz, isn't that the same Anton guy that was laughed off the French foil forums for asking opinions about cheap Alibaba foils and other goofy stuff? Pretty sure it is.

Do you have any suggestions how to prove the wind speed claims on YouTube videos? You can get the board speed very accurate from a YouTube video. The wind speed can be derived from the angle of the sail - you close sail more to go faster at lighter wind.
However:
When Naish claims 6-10 knots - do I just believe it? Remember, Naish Co does not refund my money if I cannot fly Naish at 6-10 knots wind.
Do you really need an accurate wind speed report on frpgear videos because they refund you money if you do not like their foil?

No. But I can easily tell you are lying. Those videos you posted are not in 18 or 20 knots - especially the first. It is easy to tell by the water state - there are no whitecaps. I would guess less wind than in your video & with a smaller sail. Also although he may be an advanced windsurfer he is a beginner foiler. On the positive side, it looks like you are getting much better at riding your invention. It does look as though you may have been having some structural issues yourself .... with that monstrous support structure er... strut....

You wouldn't want to drop that in the sand at our local dog beach

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You wouldn't want to drop that in the sand at our local dog beach

That's not a bug, that's a feature.

"Honey, I need to buy a new foil, maybe one of those Starboard, Slingshot or, ahem, Naish ones I've been telling you about."

"What happened to your old one?"

"Dog ate it?"

It is good when competitors criticize the appearance. It means they have nothing to criticize in performance.

I actually purchased a different foil from frpgear.com. The one you show eaten by dogs model "Koryaga" is not in production yet, but I have paid for this already because the price is less for 50% if you pay ahead of time. Plus I get my 50% discount as an existing customer. It means I am going to have a new foil for almost no money out of my budget.
In fact, nobody knows yet how the production version of Koryaga will look like. It may look even extra ugly. However, water is not as clear on my spot as on Naish videos. Nobody can see the ugly Koryaga foil from the beach. With current prototype you can only see the upper portion attached to the board and it looks very cool (for an engineer): it looks like the board is supported by a conical hyperboloid so when you fly higher the spectators think that you are balancing on a point. Traditional mast may appear nice for a lamber Jack from WA because it looks like a straight log.
But, if you are one of these seating on the beach all the time next to your gear you may be better with a country style paint job like Naish particularly if you live in these former Russian/Mexican states like WA or OR. BTW Naish paintwork has been criticized on Russian forum. Naish paints his foils over the finished surface resulting in steps. FRP impregnates the painting inside the composite so there are no surface imperfections resulting in better performance and you can sand it without reaching the impregnated text.
The large base on the top of the foil makes it possible to use it on any bard - no need to reinforce the finbox. Just get the right adapter: Tuttle, Power, Naish rails, or US Box. Yes, US box is good for this foil too because there is very light, if any load, on the box. I can ride my foil even without fin box screws because there is no load on the crews. But the most important practical advantage is +/- 8 inch adjustment along the board. Unlike other foils I am not limited by fin box position. I can move my entire foil within 16 inch around fin box. This makes it very easy to find the right balance point without repositioning my foot straps. If I go from a smaller wing to a larger wing it is easy for me to rebalance the system. This is why my foil worked well right out of the box with factory preset angles. You can read on other thread how much trouble people are having with finding a correct balance on foils, particularly with short fuselage and smaller stabilizers like F4. And I can use the same foil on a kite board thanks to the universal adjustment. Interestingly, frp foil fits Naish board as well with more adjustment options compare to Naish foils. So, when I buy my next Naish used board for $50 I will be able to use my frpgear foil.
After all, why do I care how my frp foil appears to someone from USA or to anyone else if I can always return it and get all my money back if I discover that I want to ride Naish instead?

On a proud note to our American partners I have to admit that both: Naish and PRPGear products are Made in the USA!

Since we have Naish representatives here, perhaps, I can get my questions answered:

I have contacted Naish after watching Naish 2019 promotional video. See my conversation with Naish customer service below.
www.facebook.com/NaishWindsurfing/videos/263238997660504/

Customer: I understand Naish foils need minimum 10 knots wind to fly with 70kg rider and 5m sail. did I understand it correctly? What was the wind speed on the video?
Naish: Aloha,
With the Thrust Windsurf Foil and Hover 122 or 142 you need very little wind to get up and foil. How light of winds is dependent on ability but we have had guys send us photos foiling in winds as light as 8 knots! As far as the windspeed in the video, I'm not sure exactly but you can tell by the waters surface that it was very light.
Customer: Can I return the foil for a refund if my son does not like it because he says Naish may be not as light wind foil compared to the one he is using now? Thx.
Naish: That will depend on the dealers return policy. However the Thrust is a modular platform which means you can change wings and parts beyond the windsurf wings (like the Surf M,L & XL or even the KS2 wings)
Customer: Can you provide google map or GPS coordinates of the location and the day when the video was taken? From the video it appears that the wins is off shore resulting in very flat water surface at stronger wind, which appears to be some 14 knots, I see similar water surface in our location when the wind is off shore at 14 knots. If you provide the location and the day I could check wind speed recorded in the location of the video. And, could you please comment on my question about jibes? This video does not show a jibe, Do you have any videos with a jibe completed while in flight without touching water?
Naish::-) + No answer...
Customer:Where is your store located?
Naish: No answer...

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gorgesailor said.. I can easily tell you are lying. Those videos you posted are not in 18 or 20 knots - especially the first.

The wind speeds are posted on the videos. I just gave you the links to review the videos from real Naish customers.
On my spot white cups on water can be at 6 knots wind (on-shore) or at 20 knots wind (off-shore). You are using the same water surface argument to mislead customers as Naish representative used. Just chat with Naish reps about getting the wind speed and they tell you about flat water on the video, but you can see they tape the video in a close water with off-shore wind. You need to be a complete novice in sailing or work for Naish do not notice Naish lying.

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Paducah said.. : "THEN DON'T BUY A NAISH..."

I would never buy a foil if I do not have an option to return it for 100% refund if I am not satisfied. At least I need an option to try it for free from a local representative. I need a convenience to try, so I do not need to travel to Spain for a Naish event to try. I need an option for a free tryout at my home on my spot. FRPgear gives me such of an option to buy, try and return by using a Post service prepaid. Naish does not give me such an option. Naish wants me to buy and get stack with my purchase and but more wings that they say may fix my problems but they just want to get more of my money.

mate just p*ss off people are getting pretty sick of your crap
it started out amusing but that was a long time ago. goodbye.