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philsurfdude said..
Due to the smaller backwing and the lack of winglets, the foil has less directional stability, but is still sufficient. The foil is still easier to control than my phantom infinite and iris r foil. I think you win more than you lose with the 150.

Thanks a lot for your comments! For sure my next steps will be the 375 front wing, and 150 stab.

In the other hand, here's my settings for the moment, but I'm progressing:
- For my Patrik foil Race 145: fuselage v2, shim +.0.50 for 550 and 450 sail, and 8-7 Loftsails Skyblade. Mast base very on the front 4/5 of the rail. Best result for the moment, with 8.0 and 550 is 26 of average 10s and top speed of 27(14-15 knots). With same sail but 450 wing 27.8 of average, and 28.4 of top speed.
- For my Severne Hydro 79: fuselage v2, shim +0.75 for 550 and 450, and 7.0 sail. For 5.2 I'm not sure if I reduce the shim to +0.50, but I'm testing waiting high wind conditions. Mast base to 3/5 in the front of the rail. Best average 10s with 7,0 30 knots, 30.4 of top speed.

We usually have onshore with wind with more or less choppy.

Do you have similar settings and gps results?

First: take the 400 dnx instead of 375.
400 has the same speed and gybes way better.
i use a +1 shim in rear position. I am a litte faster than you.
750/100v1/160 +1
650/100v1/160 +1 top 30,8kn
550/100v1/150 +1 top 31,5kn
450/100v2/150 +1 top 31,8 kn
400/100v2/150 +1

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philsurfdude said..
First: take the 400 dnx instead of 375.
400 has the same speed and gybes way better.
i use a +1 shim in rear position. I am a litte faster than you.
750/100v1/160 +1
650/100v1/160 +1 top 30,8kn
550/100v1/150 +1 top 31,5kn
450/100v2/150 +1 top 31,8 kn
400/100v2/150 +1

Thanks for the info! What board are you using? I feel with two different board I can't use the same settings. And how much do you weigh? I'm 80 kg and 1.72 cm tall.

I use phantom iris r boards 78/85/91/100
3 new infinite boards 76-86-95 are coming this week. i am 1,78 with 89kg

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berowne said..

Interesting that the AEON is sort after by lots of non Patrik team riders. Inspired now to go as small as possible.

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philsurfdude said..
First: take the 400 dnx instead of 375.
400 has the same speed and gybes way better.
i use a +1 shim in rear position. I am a litte faster than you.
750/100v1/160 +1
650/100v1/160 +1 top 30,8kn
550/100v1/150 +1 top 31,5kn
450/100v2/150 +1 top 31,8 kn
400/100v2/150 +1

Hey Phil
I'm sailing Phantom R91 with the 750/100v1/195+1 combo and 8.2 sail. What mast rake and sail size do you use with this setup?

Has anyone tried the full course race version of these Aeon foils? I'm talking 900 wing etc?.

Yes, I had the 100 dim L mast, 900 dna h front wing, 110 v1 fuse, 195 backwing cr set up. It was too much foil for me. I found it very, very powerful and very hard to keep on top of even using a smaller shim than recommended. I found it got on foil very quickly, suddenly & surprisingly, trying to launch me to the moon. I never got on top of it & sold it back to the Patrik dealer in NSW, Justin Lord at windsurfing religion. Justin is 15kg heavier than me & is enjoying it immensely. Justin is also a better sailor than me.My (very) personal preference is the zfoil cr set up with the '24 mast. Absolutely benign, a joy to sail & I don't feel it's trying to kill me as quickly as possible.

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regal1 said..
Yes, I had the 100 dim L mast, 900 dna h front wing, 110 v1 fuse, 195 backwing cr set up. It was too much foil for me. I found it very, very powerful and very hard to keep on top of even using a smaller shim than recommended. I found it got on foil very quickly, suddenly & surprisingly, trying to launch me to the moon. I never got on top of it & sold it back to the Patrik dealer in NSW, Justin Lord at windsurfing religion. Justin is 15kg heavier than me & is enjoying it immensely. Justin is also a better sailor than me.My (very) personal preference is the zfoil cr set up with the '24 mast. Absolutely benign, a joy to sail & I don't feel it's trying to kill me as quickly as possible.

Thanks for your input mate. Do you race foils at all? Have you tried the Starboard IQ foil set? Im trying to get a comparison. :)

My analogy is the iq foil set is like driving a familiar old truck (easy but vague steering) & the new gen phantom/patrik/z foil as a precision car to drive. The iq is easy to sail and gets foiling easily but now feels very draggy in comparison to the other foils. The new gen foils have much, much stiffer masts. Iq sets vary a lot. There are good and bad masts, front wings etc. Still, a well sailed iq foiler will beat anything else not sailed as well and I regularly get whipped by the kids who are prepared to pump upwind for 5 minutes and through every tack.

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regal1 said..
Still, a well sailed iq foiler will beat anything else not sailed as well and I regularly get whipped by the kids who are prepared to pump upwind for 5 minutes and through every tack.

Tell us about it. We have our own pack of youngsters over here in WA

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regal1 said..
My analogy is the iq foil set is like driving a familiar old truck (easy but vague steering) & the new gen phantom/patrik/z foil as a precision car to drive. The iq is easy to sail and gets foiling easily but now feels very draggy in comparison to the other foils. The new gen foils have much, much stiffer masts. Iq sets vary a lot. There are good and bad masts, front wings etc. Still, a well sailed iq foiler will beat anything else not sailed as well and I regularly get whipped by the kids who are prepared to pump upwind for 5 minutes and through every tack.

See i dont find the IQ really all that steady, so I'm wondering if the Aeon is better because everything ive heard talks about the stability of these foils. Dont get me wrong, i am a big fan of the IQ for what it is and allows you to do on it, but i was thinking about moving to something i can race foiling comps on but is better than the IQ. :)

Hi Guys,

Does anyone have experience with the difference between the 95 DIM-S and the cheaper version 95 DIM-M masts? I have read all about the marketing arguments and so on. But what is the real difference? Speed wise, control wise? I am configuring an Aeon set at the moment so i am second guessing what to do.

Also has anyone used the cut away option on the mast heads? For adjusting the rake?

Thanks in advance!!
Dutch slalom amatuer.

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FoilEnthousiast said..
Hi Guys,

Does anyone have experience with the difference between the 95 DIM-S and the cheaper version 95 DIM-M masts? I have read all about the marketing arguments and so on. But what is the real difference? Speed wise, control wise? I am configuring an Aeon set at the moment so i am second guessing what to do.

Also has anyone used the cut away option on the mast heads? For adjusting the rake?

Thanks in advance!!
Dutch slalom amatuer.

In my personal opinion, I think the difference is not very big, and maybe you can feel the difference if you have a perfect setting and everything is in his place. A perfect setting is more important than a 1 mlm more of thickness and 1cm more of chord. In my case, 0.25 of shim, or perfect setting of the sail have a better result and very high speed (close to 30 knots) it can be one knot more. And as Patrik said in his video, the stiffness is the same. But with all of these things in my mind, I have the DIM S, and my results of GPS are amazing compared with my Starboard. I'm 2.5 knots faster in average compared with my Starboard SLR 460 with IQfoil mast. In the other hand I hand a friend with AFS foil, thicker foil, but very stiff, and he is almost as fast as me. For me the most important thing is the stiffness and a good profiles.

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Maddlad said..


See i dont find the IQ really all that steady,

Sounds like a soft iq foil mast. A stiff one navigates quite well.

I will order the new 150 stab. Just one question; I use my 550 as a light wind wing (from 8 to 12 knots), and as soon as I can, I switch to 450. For me is the all round wing. If the wind decreases to 10-12 knots with 450, I'm able to continue flying and make air jibes if I'm nimble enough. But I need to know if I can use the new 150 as only one stab, even from 8 to 12 knots with 8.0.

Hi,
you can fully replace the 150 against the 160.
It's no problem to use the 150/100/550 with 8,0.
Alex Cousin use this combi only with 8,0. His choice is 550/100v2/150 with 8,0 and smaller. The 150 is a chopped 160. The 150 is more nervous and less straight like on rails, but the 150 has the same amount of lift. So no disadvantages by using it in lightwind conditions compared to the 160.
I only use 160 with 650&750 on a 100v1 Fuse. 550-400 only with 150 backwing.

Thanks a lot for your help!

Removing winglet tip for starboard foils to increase speed for a post circa 2021. forgot about this one!!

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Foil-Racing-Upwind-technique-top-tips-please-?page=1

Half way down

After a few months on my Patrik foil, I change a few settings, and I increase the lift because I feel if the front wing has less pressure (the stab works more with more lift), then the foil is faster. Now I use +0.75 for Patrik Foil Race 145 and 8.0 sail, and 450-550 front wings, and +1 for Severne Hydro 79 and 5.2-7.0 sail.
After sailing with a mate with AFS and 370 front wing, I feel my 450 front wing is more sensible with the choppy at close to 30 knots of speed than my friend with 370. I think the 375 will be less sensible with the chop than 400DNX. Anybody test the two wings? I know the jibes are better with 400 DNX, but I need more stability in choppy conditions.

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LyndbyStrand said..

philsurfdude said..
First: take the 400 dnx instead of 375.
400 has the same speed and gybes way better.
i use a +1 shim in rear position. I am a litte faster than you.
750/100v1/160 +1
650/100v1/160 +1 top 30,8kn
550/100v1/150 +1 top 31,5kn
450/100v2/150 +1 top 31,8 kn
400/100v2/150 +1

Hey Phil
I'm sailing Phantom R91 with the 750/100v1/195+1 combo and 8.2 sail. What mast rake and sail size do you use with this setup?

Hi,
i use the 750/100v1/160 +1 with 7,7 and 8,7.
Mastrake 3,8
7,7 used with 86 Phantom infinite board 30,9 kn
8,7 used with 95 Phantom Infinite Board 29,7kn

I made a little of test the 650 frontwing which is easier to use then the smaller ones, in my opinion

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Kasper79 said..
I made a little of test the 650 frontwing which is easier to use then the smaller ones, in my opinion

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Thanks

The PWA has yet to publish the Fuerteventura equipment list? Must be dramatic

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Dishpet said..
The PWA has yet to publish the Fuerteventura equipment list? Must be dramatic

Men: 16 of 44 using Aeon.
Winner Benedetti, 4th Iachino, 7th Becker and 8th Rutkowski.
Women; 5 of 11.
Winner Lemeteyer, 2nd Mortefon, 3rd Blanca, and 4th Englemann

nor.pwaworldtour.com/Copy%20of%20FUERTEVENTURA%202024%20FOIL%20GEAR%20WEB.htm

Hi All!
anyone has experience on VMG performance vs the latest starboard and also Phantom Iris R and Iris X?

Hi! After a few days with new stab 150, I can take conclusions about it:
I need +0.25 more shim to have the same lift of 160(from 1,00 to 1.25). The 150 is more nervous, reactive, and the gibes are a little more difficult.
With 550 front wing, V2 100 fuselage, if the wind is very marginal (8 to 11 knots), I prefer the 160. In all the other conditions, the 150 is faster and very fun.

Now I'm thinking my next step; 400 or 375 front wing. In my local spot if I can sail with this size of front wing, I will have choppy and waves, and I need a profile with a stability. I know the 400 and 375 have the same speed, and the 400 is better in gibes. But they have the same wingspan (68 mlm) and the 400 only have a little more chord, and is thinner. In theory, a thinner profile is more nervous, and more difficult to control.
My question is: For high wind and chop conditions, maybe the 375 is more stable than the 400?
The 400 and 375 have the same range of wind?

Thanks in advance!

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XavierFerrer said..
Hi! After a few days with new stab 150, I can take conclusions about it:
I need +0.25 more shim to have the same lift of 160(from 1,00 to 1.25). The 150 is more nervous, reactive, and the gibes are a little more difficult.
With 550 front wing, V2 100 fuselage, if the wind is very marginal (8 to 11 knots), I prefer the 160. In all the other conditions, the 150 is faster and very fun.

Now I'm thinking my next step; 400 or 375 front wing. In my local spot if I can sail with this size of front wing, I will have choppy and waves, and I need a profile with a stability. I know the 400 and 375 have the same speed, and the 400 is better in gibes. But they have the same wingspan (68 mlm) and the 400 only have a little more chord, and is thinner. In theory, a thinner profile is more nervous, and more difficult to control.
My question is: For high wind and chop conditions, maybe the 375 is more stable than the 400?
The 400 and 375 have the same range of wind?

Thanks in advance!

Hey XavierFerrer....

I think in the Patrik video interview he said that the thinner profile should slice through chop better and react less. May be worth a fact check!

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berowne said..

XavierFerrer said..
Hi! After a few days with new stab 150, I can take conclusions about it:
I need +0.25 more shim to have the same lift of 160(from 1,00 to 1.25). The 150 is more nervous, reactive, and the gibes are a little more difficult.
With 550 front wing, V2 100 fuselage, if the wind is very marginal (8 to 11 knots), I prefer the 160. In all the other conditions, the 150 is faster and very fun.

Now I'm thinking my next step; 400 or 375 front wing. In my local spot if I can sail with this size of front wing, I will have choppy and waves, and I need a profile with a stability. I know the 400 and 375 have the same speed, and the 400 is better in gibes. But they have the same wingspan (68 mlm) and the 400 only have a little more chord, and is thinner. In theory, a thinner profile is more nervous, and more difficult to control.
My question is: For high wind and chop conditions, maybe the 375 is more stable than the 400?
The 400 and 375 have the same range of wind?

Thanks in advance!

Hey XavierFerrer....

I think in the Patrik video interview he said that the thinner profile should slice through chop better and react less. May be worth a fact check!

Thanks for the info! Finally I order the 375, because I don't have many days to use this wing. Just for special conditions. I hope I will test soon.