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ZeroVix said..
This is what SAB told me regarding the 900 HS. You can figure out what they mean.
the differences are:- 8 hole - it is more strength- the degree of incidence of the stabilizer is - 1.5 degrees, while on the old FW900 it was -2.3 degrees

I apologize for still annoying with the stabilizer incidence theme.
The old 900 fuse (FW900) is gone from the SAB hp. So i searched the internet and found at sailworks this information. They say it is 1.5 degree, not 2.3:
www.sailworks.com/the-gear/foiling/masts-fuselages/moses-sabfoil-fuselage-fw900.html
Only the slalom fuse FW1010 looks to have 2.3 degree.
I find it important to know what incidence my fuse has when I want to shim.

I am not certain. I know that Sailworks has still old inventory and have seen some mistakes on their website regarding the 899 fuse in the beginning. I am only speculating, but I think SAB is going the 900 HS route. It gets too confusing. The issue is that many still have front wings that only accommodate M6. Pure speculation, but I don't think they are promoting the 900 fuse. They still have them for replacement. Why offer the 900 & 900 HS. The 900 HS solves all the problems going forward and there is no need to supply M6 & M8 hardware with each new wing. Regarding the 900 at 1.5 degree... I don't know.

I have a question regarding the Moses/sabfoil Screws.

I bought some 2021 used Sabfoil-Foils from private hands and there are some letters and numbers engraved on the screws for foil and stabilizer.

There was never engravagtion on the screws of all my originals Moses stuff - are these screws with engravated letters & numbers the official 2021 Sabfoil-screws?

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t36 said..
I have a question regarding the Moses/sabfoil Screws.

I bought some 2021 used Sabfoil-Foils from private hands and there are some letters and numbers engraved on the screws for foil and stabilizer.

There was never engravagtion on the screws of all my originals Moses stuff - are these screws with engravated letters & numbers the official 2021 Sabfoil-screws?

Do not know, but A2 is the grade of stainless steel, and 070 should be the hardness of the steel. THE may be the manufacturer's name?

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ZeroVix said..

PatK said..

ZeroVix said..
This is what SAB told me regarding the 900 HS. You can figure out what they mean.
the differences are:- 8 hole - it is more strength- the degree of incidence of the stabilizer is - 1.5 degrees, while on the old FW900 it was -2.3 degrees

I apologize for still annoying with the stabilizer incidence theme.
The old 900 fuse (FW900) is gone from the SAB hp. So i searched the internet and found at sailworks this information. They say it is 1.5 degree, not 2.3:
www.sailworks.com/the-gear/foiling/masts-fuselages/moses-sabfoil-fuselage-fw900.html
Only the slalom fuse FW1010 looks to have 2.3 degree.
I find it important to know what incidence my fuse has when I want to shim.

I am not certain. I know that Sailworks has still old inventory and have seen some mistakes on their website regarding the 899 fuse in the beginning. I am only speculating, but I think SAB is going the 900 HS route. It gets too confusing. The issue is that many still have front wings that only accommodate M6. Pure speculation, but I don't think they are promoting the 900 fuse. They still have them for replacement. Why offer the 900 & 900 HS. The 900 HS solves all the problems going forward and there is no need to supply M6 & M8 hardware with each new wing. Regarding the 900 at 1.5 degree... I don't know.

Isn't the 899 fuse the newest one?

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Faff said..
Isn't the 899 fuse the newest one?

899hs is not compatible with the tuttle masts.
900 and 900hs are not compatible with the plate masts.

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t36 said..
I have a question regarding the Moses/sabfoil Screws.

I bought some 2021 used Sabfoil-Foils from private hands and there are some letters and numbers engraved on the screws for foil and stabilizer.

There was never engravagtion on the screws of all my originals Moses stuff - are these screws with engravated letters & numbers the official 2021 Sabfoil-screws?

I only use marine grade A4 screws not A2.

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t36 said..
I have a question regarding the Moses/sabfoil Screws.

I bought some 2021 used Sabfoil-Foils from private hands and there are some letters and numbers engraved on the screws for foil and stabilizer.

There was never engravagtion on the screws of all my originals Moses stuff - are these screws with engravated letters & numbers the official 2021 Sabfoil-screws?

Upgrade your fasteners to A4 or higher. Corrosion resitatnce is good enough with A2 but the tensile strength is not good enough. Go back through this thread, we covered this in detail.
I am a heavy weight that rides large wings, I and bent and broke A2 fasteners. I bumped up the diameter of my front wing bolts up to M8 and still had problems. Then I tried titanium and that has solved the problem.

Yes, A2 (or A4) are grades of stainless steel. If the screw does not have markings, I believe it is titanium. None of my Slingshot screws have markings, and I know they are Ti. My other foils' screws and bolts all have A2 markings.

Yes, I use a rubber mallet to try to set the Moses fuse onto the mast more firmly. It helps a little. I still have to re-tighten. One thing that helps, as some people have reported in these fora, is to use teflon plumbing tape on the threads. This helps prevent spinning even if it gets loose.

Like Sandman reported for his, my AFS-2 has the mast and fuse as one piece. The AFS-2 is crazy stiff. The one piece makes it a hassle for travel. I brought it down to Florida two weeks ago. I had to use a big artist box to pack it plus the two wings and stab. Sporting equipment with L+W+H = 84 inches in checked baggage (limit is 115 inches for sporting equipment), so Delta accepted it. It will stay in Florida.

The other thing I do is double check the tightness after rigging and getting on wetsuit (YT guy suggested that). Out for 1 hour + today. No loosening. I do have lanolin in the cup in the fuse for the mast so maybe that helps it seat a bit deeper

From sailworks I just order a W1100 foil with a 92cm aluminum mast and medium tuttle. I wonder which fuselage it will come with and what size the wind/fuse fasteners will be? Their website literature suggests the older fuse 900A and M6 wing/fuse fasteners. It should be here in a week. I'll post again after it arrives.

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lakeeffect said..
From sailworks I just order a W1100 foil with a 92cm aluminum mast and medium tuttle. I wonder which fuselage it will come with and what size the wind/fuse fasteners will be? Their website literature suggests the older fuse 900A and M6 wing/fuse fasteners. It should be here in a week. I'll post again after it arrives.

If you are getting the aluminum mast, it will be the 900A. That has M6 (unless something changed).

900 A - Aluminum Mast (M6)
899 HS - Carbon Pedestal Mast (M8)
900 - Carbon Tuttle Mast (M6)
900 HS - Carbon Tuttle Mast (M8)

That is the free ride setup. Slalom & Race is different.

First flights on balz pro 899 wing, HS899 fuse and the 92cm pedestal mast. Pretty light maybe 12-15 knots. The wing is top notch. The mast may be a little softer than my ghostwhisper mast but I only felt it in pretty heavy turbulence, but that could also be due to it being shorter and the wing closer to the surface?

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ZeroVix said..

lakeeffect said..
From sailworks I just order a W1100 foil with a 92cm aluminum mast and medium tuttle. I wonder which fuselage it will come with and what size the wind/fuse fasteners will be? Their website literature suggests the older fuse 900A and M6 wing/fuse fasteners. It should be here in a week. I'll post again after it arrives.

If you are getting the aluminum mast, it will be the 900A. That has M6 (unless something changed).

900 A - Aluminum Mast (M6)
899 HS - Carbon Pedestal Mast (M8)
900 - Carbon Tuttle Mast (M6)
900 HS - Carbon Tuttle Mast (M8)

That is the free ride setup. Slalom & Race is different.

I stand corrected - 4 fuses of the same length, not 3.

I contacted Moses/Sabfoil - and they offer now Titanium screws, too (instead of stainless steel).

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thedoor said..
First flights on balz pro 899 wing, HS899 fuse and the 92cm pedestal mast. Pretty light maybe 12-15 knots. The wing is top notch. The mast may be a little softer than my ghostwhisper mast but I only felt it in pretty heavy turbulence, but that could also be due to it being shorter and the wing closer to the surface?

Can you do a detailed comparative review between the Phantasm and Sabfoil?

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John340 said..

thedoor said..
First flights on balz pro 899 wing, HS899 fuse and the 92cm pedestal mast. Pretty light maybe 12-15 knots. The wing is top notch. The mast may be a little softer than my ghostwhisper mast but I only felt it in pretty heavy turbulence, but that could also be due to it being shorter and the wing closer to the surface?

Can you do a detailed comparative review between the Phantasm and Sabfoil?

I'd hazard a guess your Fanatic is stiffer than both.