Why? I'm pretty sure they're not saying these measures are guaranteed to prevent any future attacks. They're supposed to reduce the probability of an attack occurring, not remove it.

My problem with drums, as has been said, they will kill the non target sharks and rays.

But if that happens we can always cut the fins of them and sell them to Japan

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PaddlePig said..
Some of you blokes who disagree, once you have your own children you can look me in the eye and contribute an opinion.

I hate this argument. I've got a 15 month old and I'm not any more or any less in favour of sharks eating babies than I was before he was born. I wouldn't be giving my opinion any extra weight because I've been able to procreate.

Pretty good idea if your goal is to attract more sharks to the area....the better option would be to have a look at the commercial and recreational fishing and the ban on killing certain types of sharks...there may alos be some credence to the theory that changeing ocean currents have changed whites migratory patterns bring them closer to shore

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Killbot said..

PaddlePig said..

Some of you blokes who disagree, once you have your own children you can look me in the eye and contribute an opinion.

I hate this argument. I've got a 15 month old and I'm not any more or any less in favour of sharks eating babies than I was before he was born. I wouldn't be giving my opinion any extra weight because I've been able to procreate.

I'm in the same boat, Iv'e two girls under 3 ,and my feelings shift from day to day ,all you can do is do what i do and teach them ,the one golden rule if it feels sharky don't go out , this has served my well over past ,it's a little trickery over here in the west,but same rule applies ,but if that fails just grow your toe nails a bit longer

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PaddlePig said..

Shark kill zones! My goodness finally some sense! I can remember when the first person got attacked at Cott and my response was to get rid if them... Everyone disagreed. The tide has finally turned! I can't tell you how happy I am. Some of you blokes who disagree, once you have your own children you can look me in the eye and contribute an opinion. I hope heaps of whites get smashed! Think of the kids doing nippers or just playing at the beach.

Yep got kids, if a kid gets taken doing nippers after these drums are set there is going to be hell to pay......

Yep me too.

For the last night i had to look into my kids eyes and explain that sometimes humans, governments, get it wrong. All i could say lets hope common sense prevails

It ain't happened yet PP

first
everyone complains of crowded line ups

now everyone complains of sharks..

I think you all just like to complain

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theDoctor said..



first
everyone complains of crowded line ups

now everyone complains of sharks..

I think you all just like to complain

After the GT attack there were people in the water 15-20 mins after, very keen but I would think the shark would have moved off by then.

Like I said keen

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first
everyone complains of crowded line ups

now everyone complains of sharks..

I think you all just like to complain

pop over,,, and I'll take you for a little spin,
first local metro breaks,
then Lefties..
then you can buy a couple of us beer.

Am I mistaken thinking that this system of reducing shark numbers (drumming) has been used on the east coast for many years?

Has this not also reduced the attacks?

I luv sharks with salt and vinegar and a cold beer. I like to surf as well without sharks.

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ausiet said...
Am I mistaken thinking that this system of reducing shark numbers (drumming) has been used on the east coast for many years?

Has this not also reduced the attacks?

Yes it has

Hopefully the drumming works! coz obviously somethings happening in the south west and metro to increase the number of GW attacks, or they're coming closer to shore, or there's to much food or not enough food, or their numbers are getting bigger, or there's more people in the water, or they're being attracted by crayfishing, or dead whales buried in sand dunes, or commercial fishing, or recreational fishing, or...........?

Hopefully the drumming will reduce the attacks and any caught and killed GW's can be given to the appropriate scientists to research so we can actually get some answers as to what's happenning. Some major funding would be good for scientists or marine biologists to tag and trace GW's and monitor all aspects of the species and their environment. I think thats the only way to find the correct solution for a rather tragic problem.

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Brettos said..

Hopefully the drumming works! coz obviously somethings happening in the south west and metro to increase the number of GW attacks, or they're coming closer to shore, or there's to much food or not enough food, or their numbers are getting bigger, or there's more people in the water, or they're being attracted by crayfishing, or dead whales buried in sand dunes, or commercial fishing, or recreational fishing, or...........?

Hopefully the drumming will reduce the attacks and any caught and killed GW's can be given to the appropriate scientists to research so we can actually get some answers as to what's happenning. Some major funding would be good for scientists or marine biologists to tag and trace GW's and monitor all aspects of the species and their environment. I think thats the only way to find the correct solution for a rather tragic problem.

Actually tonight Barnet said the bodies would more than likely be just dumped at sea Great idea..

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Brettos said..

Hopefully the drumming works! coz obviously somethings happening in the south west and metro to increase the number of GW attacks, or they're coming closer to shore, or there's to much food or not enough food, or their numbers are getting bigger, or there's more people in the water, or they're being attracted by crayfishing, or dead whales buried in sand dunes, or commercial fishing, or recreational fishing, or...........?

Hopefully the drumming will reduce the attacks and any caught and killed GW's can be given to the appropriate scientists to research so we can actually get some answers as to what's happenning. Some major funding would be good for scientists or marine biologists to tag and trace GW's and monitor all aspects of the species and their environment. I think thats the only way to find the correct solution for a rather tragic problem.

Way I see it is, less big sharks, less chance of attack. Being 41 yo I started surfing not long after the Albany whaling station closed down (1978) which had been killing heaps of sharks coming in to chomp on the whales. Whites were protected in 1999 in West Oz & between those years (1978-1999) there were very few attacks. South Oz was considered to be the sharky area. But I was never as concerned about sharks when I spent a month camped on the Nullabor than what I am now at my local. More sharks = more chance of attack. I can't see any other way of having an effective impact.

I read an interesting comment the other day, however I don't know what evidence there is to back up the claim. It was interesting though...someone claimed that the transmitted signal of shark tags could be contributing to the problem due to seals associating the signal with sharks. I was in favor of an agressive tagging program & multiple receivers to track the sharks more effectively along with phone apps sharing the data publicly. But if this is true, its no longer a viable option.

^^ I think they'd need antennas for ears..
or something like below, but reverse.
poor little fella,,, fancy having to swim around with that on your head..

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Hopefully the drumming works! coz obviously somethings happening in the south west and metro to increase the number of GW attacks, or they're coming closer to shore, or there's to much food or not enough food, or their numbers are getting bigger, or there's more people in the water, or they're being attracted by crayfishing, or dead whales buried in sand dunes, or commercial fishing, or recreational fishing, or...........?

Hopefully the drumming will reduce the attacks and any caught and killed GW's can be given to the appropriate scientists to research so we can actually get some answers as to what's happenning. Some major funding would be good for scientists or marine biologists to tag and trace GW's and monitor all aspects of the species and their environment. I think thats the only way to find the correct solution for a rather tragic problem.

There are a few reasons that sharks are more prevalent around WA these days and a lack of food isn't one of them. I think the first thing to look at is whales and their migration past Perth from the north west to the south west. Back in the day when we used to hunt whales, the whales would stay miles off the coast to try and get past the whalers with out getting hunted. As of 1978 we stopped hunting whales and their numbers grew and they started to get closer and closer to the coast. To the point that I have seen them 100m off shore last year, something that I have never seen before at local beaches (Perth). The second thing is that we haven't hunted Great White Sharks for the last ten years adding to their numbers by more than we know. With more whales means more sharks as the sharks hang with whale pods for an easy feed, so with whales coming closer so are the sharks. I may be wrong but this winter has been the coldest as far as water temp in a while and we all know that GWS like colder water, and yes they are found in warmer waters but they prefer colder water. Also seal populations have gotten larger so food for the GWS isn't a problem, and over fishing imo isn't the problem at all. The rogue shark theory is not really an option as the sheer number of sharks spotted tells us this cant be fact. If you don't hunt them they will come and in numbers. The tagged sharks prove this beyond all doubt so this theory can be put to bed. The answer? Well tbh there isn't one that we can throw out there and fix the problem tomorrow, and I don't think that there will be one in the near future that is sustainable. Part of the solution is to try and stop it before it happens and more tech thrown at shark shield type devices the better and these are not a solution but a piece of mind but they will have to work much better than they do now. As far as culling them goes killing ten even twenty of them might help for a while but for how long? A month, maybe two? Some of these sharks come from as far away as South Africa so culling unless you were to kill twenty a month isn't going to work and is not sustainable.

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I'd like a plan too...one that used common sense and one backed by data and science. Not a kneejerk reaction to appease a minority. The fact is baited drum lines do NOT reduce the risk off attack....at all. So why do it?

So why do it, politics looking for a vote and by the reaction here you can see it clearly works (getting votes). The ultimate oxymoron everyone knows it wont work but are cheering for it to happen so much for 2 million years of human emotion development and lesser for logical thinking.


Just wondering if anyone has taken personal responsibility and bought any of the units on the market to help repel sharks instead of bleating about how the government has to fix the issue.



As for the kids comments great for emotive responses but the greater tragedy is many will drown in pools, die on the roads and be abused by low life's thats where your real risks are.

^There is no ultimate oxymoron at all. Only a bunch of incomparable analogioes & misrepresented statistics regurgitated by an overly vocal group of people masquerading as the moral majority.

You can teach your kids to swim, provide them with swim safe swimming aids & have an epipen in case of one of those killer bee stings shark lovers like to repeat over & over again. There's no epipen for shark bites & for ocean lovers, surfers especially. Educating people to simply not enter the ocean or not swim in "sharky conditions" ie overcast, dawn/dusk which has been preoven to be just more bull****...is not an option.

Reducing big shark numbers will reduce the chance of shark attack, reduce not remove. Simple math will tell you that....I will be buying a surf safe shark shield from Katana to try & reduce that chance even further. But if there's a big shark that's been swimming up & down the coast that charges in, nothing is going to stop it. No shark shield currently invented or anything else known to man (well I guess a shotty would ;). But if that shark had been hanging around, deemed to be a threat & removed prior. The chance of that happening is also removed.

Well said Mick.

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IFocus said..

I'd like a plan too...one that used common sense and one backed by data and science. Not a kneejerk reaction to appease a minority. The fact is baited drum lines do NOT reduce the risk off attack....at all. So why do it?

So why do it, politics looking for a vote and by the reaction here you can see it clearly works (getting votes). The ultimate oxymoron everyone knows it wont work but are cheering for it to happen so much for 2 million years of human emotion development and lesser for logical thinking.


Just wondering if anyone has taken personal responsibility and bought any of the units on the market to help repel sharks instead of bleating about how the government has to fix the issue.



As for the kids comments great for emotive responses but the greater tragedy is many will drown in pools, die on the roads and be abused by low life's thats where your real risks are.

I don't think many support baited drums actually. I just think many see it as a "Us V's them" argument and think its good that they have won. But sadly, with that result we will all be losers eventually

Mick your comment that a shark shield or Surfsafe won't stop a shark at full speed. Well that has been proven incorrect. There are many reports of people on their site saying that it did just that. The best i read sometime ago was from a couple of Busselton who were charged 3 or 4 times, only for the shark to real of at the last second..

ocean-guardian.com/

I only refer to Shark shield as they have been around longest and have a good amount of customer feedback..

Me i like the idea behind, and the workings of Surfsafe

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IFocus said..

I'd like a plan too...one that used common sense and one backed by data and science. Not a kneejerk reaction to appease a minority. The fact is baited drum lines do NOT reduce the risk off attack....at all. So why do it?

So why do it, politics looking for a vote and by the reaction here you can see it clearly works (getting votes). The ultimate oxymoron everyone knows it wont work but are cheering for it to happen so much for 2 million years of human emotion development and lesser for logical thinking.


Just wondering if anyone has taken personal responsibility and bought any of the units on the market to help repel sharks instead of bleating about how the government has to fix the issue.



As for the kids comments great for emotive responses but the greater tragedy is many will drown in pools, die on the roads and be abused by low life's thats where your real risks are.

I have two now !!

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quirkus said..

IFocus said..

I'd like a plan too...one that used common sense and one backed by data and science. Not a kneejerk reaction to appease a minority. The fact is baited drum lines do NOT reduce the risk off attack....at all. So why do it?

So why do it, politics looking for a vote and by the reaction here you can see it clearly works (getting votes). The ultimate oxymoron everyone knows it wont work but are cheering for it to happen so much for 2 million years of human emotion development and lesser for logical thinking.


Just wondering if anyone has taken personal responsibility and bought any of the units on the market to help repel sharks instead of bleating about how the government has to fix the issue.



As for the kids comments great for emotive responses but the greater tragedy is many will drown in pools, die on the roads and be abused by low life's thats where your real risks are.

I have two now !!

That i respect..

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jbshack said..

Mick your comment that a shark shield or Surfsafe won't stop a shark at full speed. Well that has been proven incorrect. There are many reports of people on their site saying that it did just that. The best i read sometime ago was from a couple of Busselton who were charged 3 or 4 times, only for the shark to real of at the last second..

Me i like the idea behind, and the workings of Surfsafe

That's awesome mate...Your right, I should have said, may not stop a shark at full charge.

And I look forward to having a surfsafe on my next new board too

surfsafe.net.au/

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MickPC said..

jbshack said..

Mick your comment that a shark shield or Surfsafe won't stop a shark at full speed. Well that has been proven incorrect. There are many reports of people on their site saying that it did just that. The best i read sometime ago was from a couple of Busselton who were charged 3 or 4 times, only for the shark to real of at the last second..

Me i like the idea behind, and the workings of Surfsafe

That's awesome mate...Your right, I should have said, may not stop a shark at full charge.

And I look forward to having a surfsafe on my next new board too

surfsafe.net.au/

The issue i have with the Shark Shield (from a surfers point of view) is that when you are moving the probe move's to the surface..From my understanding rendering it void..SO if (heaven forbid) a big fish started to circle you you need to stay put That would go against all the grain not to evacuate to the beach post haste

It does seem more people are moving toward these types of products though, which can only be a good thing really..

I wonder Is there anyone online who surfs with a Shark Shield who can explain it