http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/20246713/shark-zones-used-to-protect-swimmers/

I really didn't think they would go this far, the baited drum lines decision will polarise those that matter.

Genius idea by Barnett....attract sharks in shore with bait...so smart.

Whats the answer then, Scrooba,,?
(Before some 9yo grommet gets taken and the game changes..)

Oh ,, and I heard another theory,,,, there's not lots of them , just one or two old females that can't catch seals like they used to??

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quirkus said..

Whats the answer then, Scrooba,,?
(Before some 9yo grommet gets taken and the game changes..)

Well it's certainly not to lure pelagic predatory fish into coastal waters....

I'm not here to get into the debate but mate take a look at whats going on, there already here.

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quirkus said..

Whats the answer then, Scrooba,,?
(Before some 9yo grommet gets taken and the game changes..)

Oh ,, and I heard another theory,,,, there's not lots of them , just one or two old females that can't catch seals like they used to??

But what about the children

If that is the case, they should take them out.

I don't know about your local, but mines got baited cray pots 10m-20m off the reef for over 1/2 the year...btw Bakesy you probably heard by now, a bloke with some HC tackle caught a white aprox 4m long off that groin in your pic last week. He uses balloons to get his rig out deep & fought the thing for ages. He just got it in long enough to identify it along with long time local Vince who I heard the story from. It got off before they got it in, which is probably just as well for them. The guy was fishing for bronzies.

^^ serious question, what kind of tracer do you use behind the hook for big bronzies, or in this case a white?? all i can think is 10mm chain, as i keep picturing in my mind a GW using say 2mm wire as dental floss!

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subasurf said...

quirkus said..

Whats the answer then, Scrooba,,?
(Before some 9yo grommet gets taken and the game changes..)

Well it's certainly not to lure pelagic predatory fish into coastal waters....

For once you actually make some sense....

hadn't heard that one Mick but totally believable, had my own little sighting the other day not far from those pots. I think it was a small bronzey or part of a larger beast that smashed something on the surface. The amount of bait schools around the place is also interesting, dived through a huge pilchard school the other day which was a bit disconcerting. The measures brought in today are at least a sign that they are interested in doing something.

@Maz...the guy had some very HC tackle from what I heard, I imagine it was a pretty serious tracer.

@Bakesey...yes there has been heaps of bait fish lately. It made me a bit nervous when I was surfing yesterday, coz something was causing some hefty water disturbance about 50m out. I just kept telling myself, whatever it was it should be getting well fed.

People sighted a GW swimming under the local bridge a couple of months ago as well.

not another shark thread....

Be interesting to see how many and what kind of sharks they catch over that period, are the drum lines set full time or only when patrols spot a plus 3m shark?

Enough cray pots and boats out there burling up that a few drum lines are not going to atttract significant more fish to the areas.

cheers

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shunter said..

Be interesting to see how many and what kind of sharks they catch over that period, are the drum lines set full time or only when patrols spot a plus 3m shark?

Enough cray pots and boats out there burling up that a few drum lines are not going to atttract significant more fish to the areas.

cheers

You'll never know thats the funny part. They will maybe just stick drums out their with anchors and people will then think they are safe

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remarc said..

I'm not here to get into the debate but mate take a look at whats going on, there already here.

Pelagic predatory fish convention goin on, I say.. I had to get out of the water at cobblestones 2 weeks before the attack at Lefties, due to a tiger.

It's summer...what did you expect? ;) It's the time of the year when the Tiger's make their way down from up north. They've done it every year and given us no dramas.

Sat. guided laser technology...zzzzap! - problem solved

"Setting baited drum lines to catch large sharks one kilometre from shore, with vessels monitoring the drum lines. The drum lines will be set along heavily used beaches in the metropolitan area and the South-West, and will be deployed 24 hours a day initially from January 2014 through until April 2014." The West today. I was really surprised by this move, I thought the would only deploy these after a sighting within say 500m-1k of a populated beach. The "heavily used beaches" will also be interesting, you'd have to say we will see these off Trigg/Scabs, what about Sorrento and other northern beachies? I'm pretty sure we will miss out in Mandurah, so how will one go about getting permission to deploy a few of your own!

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bakesy said..

"Setting baited drum lines to catch large sharks one kilometre from shore, with vessels monitoring the drum lines. The drum lines will be set along heavily used beaches in the metropolitan area and the South-West, and will be deployed 24 hours a day initially from January 2014 through until April 2014." The West today. I was really surprised by this move, I thought the would only deploy these after a sighting within say 500m-1k of a populated beach. The "heavily used beaches" will also be interesting, you'd have to say we will see these off Trigg/Scabs, what about Sorrento and other northern beachies? I'm pretty sure we will miss out in Mandurah, so how will one go about getting permission to deploy a few of your own!

No sharks in Mandurah

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bakesy said...
"Setting baited drum lines to catch large sharks one kilometre from shore, with vessels monitoring the drum lines. The drum lines will be set along heavily used beaches in the metropolitan area and the South-West, and will be deployed 24 hours a day initially from January 2014 through until April 2014." The West today. I was really surprised by this move, I thought the would only deploy these after a sighting within say 500m-1k of a populated beach. The "heavily used beaches" will also be interesting, you'd have to say we will see these off Trigg/Scabs, what about Sorrento and other northern beachies? I'm pretty sure we will miss out in Mandurah, so how will one go about getting permission to deploy a few of your own!

Bakesy, as long as these drum lines / fishermen start taking out some whites, I reckon there is no need to have em in mandurah. At least the numbers will be reduced. How's the photo of that one at Rocky point in the link!

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subasurf said..

Genius idea by Barnett....attract sharks in shore with bait...so smart.

Yes thinking the same, red neck response unfortunately action was demanded.

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subasurf said..

It's summer...what did you expect? ;) It's the time of the year when the Tiger's make their way down from up north. They've done it every year and given us no dramas.

I think there might be a few families that might disagree with that..

,,, I don't agree with the kneejerk response, but I'd like to think there was some kind of plan?

You don't think there should be any plan?
You don't think the number of attacks in West Australia, in the past 6-8 years is more than the number of attacks in the 20 years before that nationally?

I don't like the idea of killing any creature of the universe,, but I think we have a growing problem, and I would like to think there's a plan.

I love elephants, but I don't particularly want one in my backyard..

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quirkus said..

I love elephants, but I don't particularly want one in my backyard..

Which is why you dont play in the African plains.

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I think there might be a few families that might disagree with that..

,,, I don't agree with the kneejerk response, but I'd like to think there was some kind of plan?

You don't think there should be any plan?
You don't think the number of attacks in West Australia, in the past 6-8 years is more than the number of attacks in the 20 years before that nationally?

I'm talking about Tiger Sharks in my previous post. They are not an issue here, but they are most likely to be the sharks we nail the most with baited lines...in summer especially.

I'd like a plan too...one that used common sense and one backed by data and science. Not a kneejerk reaction to appease a minority. The fact is baited drum lines do NOT reduce the risk off attack....at all. So why do it?

So you have a suggestion?

On the African plains my arse the man driving the Landy so loaded up to hilt and I'm sure if a cuddly little tiger got out of control
He would be dealt with.

Trial deterrents and better educate people on the dangers they have to accept when they go into the water.

I'm not saying at all that nothing should be done, although I do strongly feel the 'problem' has been blown way out proportion. I just really wish some actually thought was put into the problem. We've tagged less than 400 sharks in our waters, many of which have been tagged with outdated technology.

Be more transparent. Increase tagging efforts. Educate. And seriously trial some of the emerging shark deterrent technologies. Don't cull a species we know so little about.

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Kneeling said..

On the African plains my arse the man driving the Landy so loaded up to hilt and I'm sure if a cuddly little tiger got out of control
He would be dealt with.

I'd be shocked also by a tiger in the African plains.

Not worth encouraging suba I know he knows more than us and is one with knowledge so let's just leave it there. Looks like we all just find out at the same time, all jb research too didn't point to the outcome. It is what it is..eastern states seem to love a drum line but people seem to forget about that and get anxious if there is some in wa. Better outcome than having a bunch of vigilantes anyway. I'm sure fisheries and or there contractor will use discernment

I may be wrong however there has not been a fatal shark attack at a beach which has either drum lines or nets.

QLD use combination of both baited drum lines and nets. Debate going on here regarding removing the nets during whale migration. Species caught include GWS, tigers, bronzies.

Shark kill zones! My goodness finally some sense! I can remember when the first person got attacked at Cott and my response was to get rid if them... Everyone disagreed. The tide has finally turned! I can't tell you how happy I am. Some of you blokes who disagree, once you have your own children you can look me in the eye and contribute an opinion. I hope heaps of whites get smashed! Think of the kids doing nippers or just playing at the beach.

This comment under a WA Today article made me lol

""""Sharks are breeding out of control, one reason is because of all the extra food available in the form of whale carcasses. As long as there is food there will be more sharks and when there are big meals available there will be big sharks. Shark loving has turned into a cult with employment opportunities for marine biologists as high priests. Sharks are as plentiful as seagulls or any other vermin. Shark cult members think they can somehow come to understand sharks and befriend them. The marine biologists should be studying the shark cult members ..."""

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PaddlePig said..

Shark kill zones! My goodness finally some sense! I can remember when the first person got attacked at Cott and my response was to get rid if them... Everyone disagreed. The tide has finally turned! I can't tell you how happy I am. Some of you blokes who disagree, once you have your own children you can look me in the eye and contribute an opinion. I hope heaps of whites get smashed! Think of the kids doing nippers or just playing at the beach.

Yep got kids, if a kid gets taken doing nippers after these drums are set there is going to be hell to pay......