No fish because the GW ate them all? I think our northern counterparts have far more to do with damage to the marine ecosystem...

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Because all we are doing is basically sweeping the problem under a rug. We'll keep killing them and the population will keep growing. The government needs to address the bigger picture and that is environmental conservation.

It was only a couple thousand years ago humans got by with warm clothes and shelter. Nowadays it's we need everything/ do everything and guess what gets destroyed when mining companies dig coal to fuel our winter heaters? The planets ecosystem.

Cull as you want mate but guess whats going to keep reproducing and when one day finally there are no fishes in the water, guess whats gonna be circling our shores more...

Rant over

They shot a massive salt water croc up north recently, it was crook and needed to be put down. They actually do that alot with problem crocs as well.

Check this site out - http://www.sharkalarm.com.au/

If they can track a 5m white and see where it goes and what its doing that can be positive step into understanding them.

The shark that took the bodyborder last year was a resident female and was 6m in length acording to the report and has been seen in the area alot. Would a shark this size sill be able to reproduce?

Newguy I admire your conviction (and I probably would have had the same opinion at one stage),..but think about it,...if it was your mate, brother, girlfriend or sister that got eaten would you still think the same way?

Agree with doggie - I am not talking about mass extermination,...just a controlled kulling,...like they do with kangaroos.

its doesnt make sense to have one rule for one animal and one for another.

It doesnt make sense that some people are happy to slaughter a big beautiful snapper for dinner and then get all protective over a big ugly white shark that wants to eat them.

I'd rather keep the kangaroos and fish and get rid of some sharks!

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its doesnt make sense to have one rule for one animal and one for another.

It does when one animal is culled for it's unsustainable numbers and when the other animal is on the threatened species list.

I think the issue with culling/killing a 'problem' shark is that there is next to no way to prove that any certain shark is the one that has attacked someone.

To me that seems like going around a **** neighbourhood and capping someone off just because they might turn out the be a murderer. (haha maybe not that extreme, but im sure you get the idea...)

I do think if they can prove without a doubt (which they pretty much can't do) that a single shark is one that has attacked someone it should be 'removed' from the system.

And they cull kangaroos because there are too many of them, and crocodiles are in a slightly more closed environment so it would be much easier to pick out a specific individual. Or in areas with high numbers to target that area. The same can't be done with sharks.

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Newguy I admire your conviction (and I probably would have had the same opinion at one stage),..but think about it,...if it was your mate, brother, girlfriend or sister that got eaten would you still think the same way?

Agree with doggie - I am not talking about mass extermination,...just a controlled kulling,...like they do with kangaroos.

its doesnt make sense to have one rule for one animal and one for another.

It doesnt make sense that some people are happy to slaughter a big beautiful snapper for dinner and then get all protective over a big ugly white shark that wants to eat them.

I'd rather keep the kangaroos and fish and get rid of some sharks!

Kangaroos aren't going to stop a eco system in its tracks. Killing of all the sharks will in the end, kill the oceans as we know them

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subasurf said...

swalkington said...

its doesnt make sense to have one rule for one animal and one for another.

It does when one animal is culled for it's unsustainable numbers and when the other animal is on the threatened species list.

Hey suba, at what age do white sharks stop breeding?

I can understand JB's comment on roos, but,..

well, killing all the fish will change the ecosystem no doubt. It already has in regions around cities etc. The question is why do people campaign for relaxed fishing laws so that they can nuke all the fish they want for sport / dinner and then get all uppetty about a white shark being killed? Double standard in my opinion.

I went on a fishing / surfing trip to the abrolos once and the carnage in terms of the amount of fish that was caught by the crew was just depressing and unncesessary. I'd rather snorkel with those little guys then have em on my dinner plate. Then the same guys that loved catching all those fish would probably argue that white sharks should be protected.

They may be on the endangered species list - but it WA they shouldn't be - any clown could work that out!

Scientists and engineers get things wrong so just the fact that they are on the list is not conclusive.

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I can understand JB's comment on roos, but,..

well, killing all the fish will change the ecosystem no doubt. It already has in regions around cities etc. The question is why do people campaign for relaxed fishing laws so that they can nuke all the fish they want for sport / dinner and then get all uppetty about a white shark being killed? Double standard in my opinion.

I went on a fishing / surfing trip to the abrolos once and the carnage in terms of the amount of fish that was caught by the crew was just depressing and unncesessary. I'd rather snorkel with those little guys then have em on my dinner plate. Then the same guys that loved catching all those fish would probably argue that white sharks should be protected.

They may be on the endangered species list - but it WA they shouldn't be - any clown could work that out!

Scientists and engineers get things wrong so just the fact that they are on the list is not conclusive.

The way i see it is the more you kill of the worse it will get. So you only option is to wipe out the oceans. In doing so kiss away 60 % of the worlds Oxygen supplies.

Strap in for a wild ride as the oceans control climate change so for the next 20 or so years left on Earth should be interesting ones

Just about every expert will tell you Sharks are key to the Oceans Eco systems. Just how many there are no one really can tell you as we just simply don't know 100%, but most Scientists will tell you we are already past critical numbers.

73 million sharks a year cant be killed with no ill effects.

World wide commercial fishing has gone loopy. In Africa the Super trawlers went in and out fished all local waters, only to sell that fish back to the locals. Problem is now the locals have no work and worse no fish. We have a super trawler on its way down under to fish between Tas and WA. They will catch everything they can and sell it overseas and back to us. SO it will most likely destroy our local fisheries as well. But hopefully we will be able to buy our own fish back at a good price from the overseas Mega National companies.

You see the ocean is looked upon as a limited resource. Most big companies, Nissan, Mitsubishi are all jumping on board to strip there share of it before its all gone

Its kinda like this
You cant **** in the drinking water and then compain you have nothing to drink

Crocks and roo's have a good ability to breed.

They are sadly though now being effected by Human Population explosion and are coming into contact with humans so they are being dealt with that way. Kangaroos are damaging farming areas and crocs are moving further south into direct contact with Humans so need to be controlled because of it.

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subasurf said...

swalkington said...

its doesnt make sense to have one rule for one animal and one for another.

It does when one animal is culled for it's unsustainable numbers and when the other animal is on the threatened species list.

Hey suba, at what age do white sharks stop breeding?

Simple answer is that no one knows. We don't really even know how old they can get. We know so little about them yet we get in such a frenzy over them. We do know that it takes them between 10 and 15 years to reach sexual maturity, depending on the gender and their location (some populations are totally genetically isolated). We also know that they breed very slowly which means they are sadly extremely vulnerable to massive population declines like we've already seen.

The horrible thing is that the big ones that people want culled are exactly the ones needed to keep the species going. It's a crappy situation where we have overfished the oceans out of greed, influencing shark behavior (forcing them to hunt inshore more frequently) and then complain about it when it literally bites us in the ass.

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doggie said...

subasurf said...

swalkington said...

its doesnt make sense to have one rule for one animal and one for another.

It does when one animal is culled for it's unsustainable numbers and when the other animal is on the threatened species list.

Hey suba, at what age do white sharks stop breeding?

Simple answer is that no one knows. We don't really even know how old they can get. We know so little about them yet we get in such a frenzy over them. We do know that it takes them between 10 and 15 years to reach sexual maturity, depending on the gender and their location (some populations are totally genetically isolated). We also know that they breed very slowly which means they are sadly extremely vulnerable to massive population declines like we've already seen.

The horrible thing is that the big ones that people want culled are exactly the ones needed to keep the species going. It's a crappy situation where we have overfished the oceans out of greed, influencing shark behavior (forcing them to hunt inshore more frequently) and then complain about it when it literally bites us in the ass.

More study required I think. I was looking at Wiki and it had some pics of real big ones 7m+
Would they get bigger than that and if they did would they come close to shore? I guess they would if they were hungry.

Mmm the planet was never meant to sustain human technological life. I'm waiting for the day we live in a world where the ocean is acidic, mutant sharks due to lack of food supply, now roam the land and humans are dying out living in glass spheres around the planet. Imagine the irony then.

Everything can be fixed if humans just go back to their roots and stop focussing on unnatural greed and selfishness. I'll admit I still have a long way to go to be carbon neutral but no heating or electrical entertainment are used at our place. If governments stop sticking their heads up their arses and start getting tough regulating our impact on the environment, maybe we can still reverse the effects of climate change and all this sharky business with it. Heck, with a carbon tax, we'd probably getting a healthier population as people cut down on their use of electrical entertainment/ transport means etc.

Seems the majority are in the south west area. only a couple in the perth metro area, better stay up there fellas

And here we go again... So how many people are going to get eaten in the next 6 months?? It's coming into that time of year again and it's only going to be a matter of time.
I cant be fugged getting into the whole debate on attacks which is just individuals voicing their OWN opinions on the whites being an endangered species, lack of food, more people in the water blah blah blah.
Lets just hope it's nobody that I or you know and care about that becomes the next AND INCREASING shark attack statistic in WA.

I dont know how much worse it actually is now to previous years but more are being seen for sure. Might have something to do with the banning or restricting of the demersal gill nets out off perth. I know for a fact they used to get plenty GWS in the nets but just didnt report it as they then leave themselves open to losing their licences with pressure from environmental groups. Not condoning nets, i think they ****ed but could be the reason more are making it in close. I live down south and we often see em out deep fishing, my dive gear is for sale too... couldnt give it away at home

fair enough to voice your opinion but if its an emotional one, why not actually put yr name behind it rather than just a code name if you really care that much. In WA the fish,crays and whites are well protected by fisheries, the only ones not protected is the humans. Do you really think that fisheries would be environementally irresponsible even if they did destroy a problem shark. Our fisheries have kept our oceans pretty good, maybe thats why every white in the southern hem comes to enjoy WA/SA australia. Maybe u would be emotional in the other direction if your misses cried evrytime you reversed the boat out of the driveway to chase bombs or your kids asked why is daddy not home yet with a worried face.

Am agreeing with my bro.
Things change when you have kids and a wife you want to come home alive too.
and don't say there is no chance it will happen - there is a relatively high chance if you surf or dive. Cant even surf 1 foot off the shore line at tea rooms in peace these days,,..
1 mate and 2 aquaintences lost in as many as 7 years proves that. Add another who lost his leg.
I haven't lost as many people I know to car accidents in the same period.

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Am agreeing with my bro.
Things change when you have kids and a wife you want to come home alive too.
and don't say there is no chance it will happen - there is a relatively high chance if you surf or dive. Cant even surf 1 foot off the shore line at tea rooms in peace these days,,..
1 mate and 2 aquaintences lost in as many as 7 years proves that. Add another who lost his leg.
I haven't lost as many people I know to car accidents in the same period.

If you did now two of victims you would also have known there attitude to sharks then as well. Brian had even talked about what he would want to happen if he was ever hit by a shark. Brad was a shark lover and supporter of SSCS and also made his feelings known on the subject before his death. Do i want to die to a shark no, but if i do i don't want it hunted and killed and my kids and wife know that.

I sat down and talked at length with my kids about sharks and the possibility's of what can happen as they both surf with me at Mullaloo and Mindarie. I would be devastated to loose one of them, that is my big fear, but it would hold no more comfort for me to lose in in a car crash, or to cancer

Humans have overpopulated the earth. Its that simple.
They are LITTERLY spewing out of all corners now and spreading in ever corner of the planet. Things will have to give and sadly its seems our seas will be first, then the planets followed by us.

Sorry to bomb post (but thats my style) did anyone see the 5 yr old kid diving with sharks on the news?

The dad when interviewed said he has spent years petitioning his kids school to put seat belts on the buss es[}:)] That is a mor eimportant safety issue for him and righly so.

Honestly parents ride with there kids to school and don't make there kids were bike helmets. My kids skate board on the road, when yes i saw a young boy killed by a car about 13 years ago. Were do you call the line.

People ski dive that's dangerous, night clubbing now that scares the crap out of me. My mates daughter is back packing around Europe, that is dangerous, were do we stop.

Sharks should be the least of people's concerns.

As true ocean lovers you should be worried when the Koreans announce that they are going to start killing whales because the whales have eaten all the fish. If our oceans and planets are run by people with that much intelligence than kiss it all goodbye

^^^^^^ Faaaaarrrrk!

^^^
Lucky there was only one - F that!!

I heard they cleared the beach at Mullaloo on Saturday morning - was out a little further north when the word came through. Must admit I was a little uneasy when the four guys I was near all paddled in... spooked myself with a dark patch of weed in the sun!!

I don't reckon I ever thought about sharks in the 80's or 90's - for 20yrs until the Ken Crew incident - and then not again for many years.... now though??!!

And thats another one tha I know. once again the common denominator is the amount of time spent in the water. poddy would have to be one of the keenest spearos in wa. maybe it wont be so bad being out of the water for the next two months.

A tagged GW was off Trigg early sun morning. I was lucky enough to see the Southern Ocean whale that decided to cruise in the shallows at Port Beach. Was anybody here surfing sandtracks?..must of been a spook for you as it headed your way?.

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smicko said...

And thats another one tha I know. once again the common denominator is the amount of time spent in the water. poddy would have to be one of the keenest spearos in wa. maybe it wont be so bad being out of the water for the next two months.

And he was back in the water diving/spearing two days later

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fozzy said...

No respite for you guys it would seem. These 2 were pretty lucky.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/14178047/divers-close-call-with-a-great-white/

Suba and jbsurfshack would have given that cute little fish a kiss and a cuddle

But i don't spearfish so i don't think I'd ever be in that situation. Would i handle it that well? I don't think anyone would know. I can guarantee i would **** myself though But if you read Nathans posts online he will tell you the shark was with them for about 20 to 25 seconds before they saw it, so if it wanted them it could have eaten them Just proves there not all man eaters.

He did however say that once they saw it there heart rates went skyward and it seemed to get agitated at that and seemed more keen to come close at this time.

I will also say that i have never professed to be a hero and not scared of them, i just respect that we need sharks in our oceans for our Oceans to survive.

Worth a watch.

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swalkington said...

fozzy said...

No respite for you guys it would seem. These 2 were pretty lucky.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/14178047/divers-close-call-with-a-great-white/

Suba and jbsurfshack would have given that cute little fish a kiss and a cuddle

But i don't spearfish so i don't think I'd ever be in that situation. Would i handle it that well? I don't think anyone would know. I can guarantee i would **** myself though But if you read Nathans posts online he will tell you the shark was with them for about 20 to 25 seconds before they saw it, so if it wanted them it could have eaten them Just proves there not all man eaters.

He did however say that once they saw it there heart rates went skyward and it seemed to get agitated at that and seemed more keen to come close at this time.

I will also say that i have never professed to be a hero and not scared of them, i just respect that we need sharks in our oceans for our Oceans to survive.

they are all maneaters when they are hungry,...maybe these guys got lucky and this one had just had a meal.

www.perthnow.com.au/news/australia/surfer-ben-pobar-21-bailed-up-by-3m-shark-off-south-trigg-beach-ng-0a2b47b9fb3205315b12944f6157ca2c

Shark encounter at Sth Trigg - story PerthNow.

good viewing there doggie, if you were worried before that won't help!
All those extra sensors to help find a feed and destroy it. They definately are an amazing animal. I would like them better if they only grew to about a foot in length