I reckon it's definitely cheaper going straight to a shaper at a factory and ordering. Doing that as well you give him a better idea about what you want. I don't know about others but I have rarely dealt with a shop and all the overheads that go with it. Asea made the point that the store price and factory price of a McT are about the same and that seems to be true. I guess that the retail on these boards is built in. They are really good quality though.

Doggie see what your barking haha

Mate I played a lot of golf way back and let me tell you surfing is cheap.
I really get a buzz dicking around with art on boards and making changes
to the standard boards on offer,tail,nose shapes,thinning down the rails.
Its fun.

@smh I believe there is only 2 or 300 in it for the retailer on a Mct at 1395.

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62mac said...

Doggie see what your barking haha

Mate I played a lot of golf way back and let me tell you surfing is cheap.
I really get a buzz dicking around with art on boards and making changes
to the standard boards on offer,tail,nose shapes,thinning down the rails.
Its fun.

Yea tbh I have never ordered a custom though a shop, only ever gone to the shaper. Could you get an AB channel bottom through a shop?

That sounds about right Mac . The last factory board I got was a 10 footer with 2 colour spray for $1050. That nice purple tinted Evo II I ordered over the phone and turned out really good as well but was$1550 with a travel bag, leggie, wax and stickers. I think the tint alone was around $140 but they do look good. A Tak is even dearer I was pretty confident ordering that board over the phone with Dave English who explained all about it and by the time I'd finished with him I pretty much knew what I was getting.

Just been on the phone direct

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62mac said...

Just been on the phone direct

Ok, details dims tint etc...

9.6 X 23 X 3 1/8 with low rails.

Blank from Fireball square tail
Nose from Evo 2
Tail Pin

Tint Line Green/Milk strip

now which board to trade

Redline or Fireball

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62mac said...

9.6 X 23 X 3 1/8 with low rails.

Blank from Fireball square tail
Nose from Evo 2
Tail Pin

Tint Line Green/Milk strip

now which board to trade

Redline or Fireball

oh the dramatics you already know your getting rid of the fireball

would not have had a better board than the redline today mac

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chrispychru said...

would not have had a better board than the redline today mac

still catching rails matechange the artwork in case the redline stays.

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chrispychru said...

would not have had a better board than the redline today mac

still catching rails matechange the artwork in case the redline stays.

ride it more and you wont catch anything, except all the hotties watching you grace that beautiful beast

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62mac said...

9.6 X 23 X 3 1/8 with low rails.

Blank from Fireball square tail
Nose from Evo 2
Tail Pin

Tint Line Green/Milk strip

now which board to trade

Redline or Fireball

Can you explain what low rails are Mac. These dim's are what I am looking at.

Stuk if you buy or order a board say 3 or 3 1/8 in thickness the rails will come out from the stringer thicker than say a 2 7/8 thick board.What they do is keep the volume in the guts of the board and tapper the outside and into the rails which gives you thinner rails = less catch = loser board.hope that explains it.

How many ks are you and where do you live

mid north coast nsw near Taree and forster ?

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Stuk if you buy or order a board say 3 or 3 1/8 in thickness the rails will come out from the stringer thicker than say a 2 7/8 thick board.What they do is keep the volume in the guts of the board and tapper the outside and into the rails which gives you thinner rails = less catch = loser board.hope that explains it.

How many ks are you and where do you live

I recon the lower rails will catch more, imo..

massive difference on a longboard doggie 9 foot of rail
My old redline 3 1/8 never caught my new 3 1/4 loves catching
which ****s me.slows the board to a crawl and that's not what
a log is about.

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Stuk if you buy or order a board say 3 or 3 1/8 in thickness the rails will come out from the stringer thicker than say a 2 7/8 thick board.What they do is keep the volume in the guts of the board and tapper the outside and into the rails which gives you thinner rails = less catch = loser board.hope that explains it.

How many ks are you and where do you live

I was reading on another thread about Fireballs having thicker rails than other models. If I go 3 1/8 thickness should I perhaps look at the rails thickness separately.

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stuk said...

mid north coast nsw near Taree and forster ?

haha i used to "know " the girl. her parents owned the pub at wynum aaarrggghh to be young and care free again

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62mac said...

massive difference on a longboard doggie 9 foot of rail
My old redline 3 1/8 never caught my new 3 1/4 loves catching
which ****s me.slows the board to a crawl and that's not what
a log is about.

mac,like i said to asea before,you surfed that board unreal from most of the waves i saw more style and arc and no caught rails. i do it heaps,get a nice wave,surfing it well,then get into the mindset on that good section that i could hit it....i cant,surf it for what it is and enjoy the graceful and stylish sensation that riding a log is. ride mine tomorrow

have you guys heard about trim.

catching rails can be due to the fin you use and where you have it in the box.

before you right off any board, play with fins and fin positioning. single, two plus ones are so touchy and make the board behave differently according to set up. much more then a thruster set

i feel rather like the normal bloke who gets a board every now and then compared to what goes on in here

Thanks guys I've been using a hatched fin for the first time on this board I'll whack in a redline standard fin in now for tomorrow,Cheers Chrispy for the kind words and Lacey re fin set up

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Thanks guys I've been using a hatched fin for the first time on this board I'll whack in a redline standard fin in now for tomorrow,Cheers Chrispy for the kind words and Lacey re fin set up

no kind words from me

Tomorrow rest up mate

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62mac said...

Tomorrow rest up mate

no need to as you said i was a paddling machine

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62mac said...

Tomorrow rest up mate

no need to as you said i was a paddling machine

Go hard then

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

In my opinion if a longboard is catching rails then its most likely due to poor positioning on the board and/or the rocker being wrong. I guess it depends on what one classes as catching a rail. Personally in big surf I want a rail that grabs and holds (is that catching) or by catching do you guys mean "bogging" - if so its poor positioning and possibly the wrong type of board for the conditions. IMO of course.

Hey CMC jump in on this one - you know more about it than I do.

Next:

Mctavishs are expensive boards for retailers to buy (at wholesale price) and there isn't a huge margin in them for the retailer. As for their standardish retail price - well historically Mctavish don't tolerate their boards being discounted by retailers and as such the RRP is pretty standard Aus wide. I would imagine this is so the sales direct from factory aren't unduly affected by a rogue discounting retailer and it also ensures integrity of the brand and its perceived retail value (fully agree with this)

Next:

Do you buy from a shop or the factory ? tough question, and really depends I guess on how well you know your retailer and how good of a deal you get from them with your trade-ins. Dukes was a bit of an exception I think because Warwick and Mike really really knew their shiz and were very thorough with their placement of orders with the various factories on behalf of customers. In all honesty I believe that their trade in prices were fair but about $150 short of what the boards were worth if sold privately, but having said that, many people who traded on a regular basis at dukes were just happy to have a fairly standard trade in price and as such a standard changeover on their new board. (mainly certain dudes who could afford to drop a few $ on their old board)
In the current climate I personally would buy my Mctavish direct from the factory and sell my old board privately if the factory offered shiz money for it. If I was ordering a Mct custom I would either visit or phone and spead to Ben McT about the custom also. I have no idea what their trade in prices are like - I'd imagine not nearly as high as when BB worked there but ya never know.
As for people considering custom orders from any other brand - never be afraid to ring or visit and ask to speak to the shaper. Many boards, both long and short are now machine shaped nowdays and IMO thats a good thing, so if you have some dream of having your idol shaper knock a board up for you, you should do a bit of homework and find out how much actual handshaping that persons actually does because if 95% or their boards are machine shaped then you may not be getting the absolute best product out of them by demanding a "hand shape" IMO

Geez I can dribble on hey

what was the subject again ?

some good points there.

trim = positioning

not to be under estimated

I guess the moral of my story was:

Learn how to surf before you blame your equipment AND a hand job isn't the be all and end all

Good post BB,as a Dukes customer I knew what the go was,since they closed I'm a tab lost,ordered one direct and another via retailer,McT give average trades imo compared to the boys at Dukes.

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billboard said...

I guess the moral of my story was:

Learn how to surf before you blame your equipment AND a hand job isn't the be all and end all

so please explain why my old 3 1/8 never bogged in and my 3 1/4 does,am I that sh-t of a surfer